Starcraft 2 a failure in PCBangs - Page 14

On August 04 2010 21:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

This is definitely a borderline topic that may get closed sooner or later. The reason why it's open is because sources discuss the use of SC2 in PCBangs and speculate on the success of SC2.

On August 04 2010 20:29 MightyAtom wrote:
Guys! I love you guys cause half of you think Koreans don't like SC2 and we suck, the other half think it we don't like it because it sucks and there are the few who know its environmental reasons.

So I bought it, online, took me like 45 mins to download with 1.5 mb/sec and yeah it's not much for me, but its quite a price jump from before at about 60 USD equivalent (just an estimate). Did I want a box set? Hell ya, did I know where to get one immediately? Um no, I mean they freaking sell SCBW in the 7-11's before or in the E-mart or whatever! So, screw it, I downloaded it, and I load it up and get a big old ' THERE ARE 2 VERSIONS, THE 12 YEAR & PLUS 18 YEAR OLD (yes its in the Korean equivalent of CAPS) PLAY THE RIGHT ONE.

So anyway, when I registered, there were like 3 payment plans, a $2 one, I guess for 24hours, (I forgot) $10 for a week or some crap and the $60 dollar one for unlimited. So if you're at the internet cafe, you're gonna pay $2 for the game, and the PC cafe costs $1 dollar per hour and you're gonna play with your friends for like maybe 2-3 hours or you are there for a hour for lunch, and you can't set up a LAN? or a freaking Icehunters etc, yes, I know you can do it all via battlenet, but why bother? For now anyways.

I don't the average Korean is gonna say SC2 sucks, its just that its not familiar yet and DAMN IT SCBW is fun. But I think with Blizzard Korea and Blizzard trying to control everything and the issue with E-Sports & KESPA, its like people know that SC2 is out, but its like they don't know either.

FOR INSTANCE: SC2 should have been in every major paper in Korea for the last week, how Korea is going to own the international gaming scene and its the second coming of a new e-sports age, etc. But there isn't, its just these articles about how Mom's want to buy a box set for their kids and the sales are disappointing.

BECAUSE: If Blizzard really was going to launch in Korea, it should have been a fucking 1 month celebration in Korea with the history of SCBW on tv etc, and all the pro teams giving their feedback and interviews with celebrities saying how much SC2 will bring out there inner gamer again. But that didnt' happen because of politics with KESPA but also Blizzards stance on the entire 'content for SC2' (I'm not going to get into that issue here), but after Aug, I'm sure a lot of things will change, because that is the ultra deadline for KESPA when Gomtech takes over everything. There are ALOT of sponsors waiting in the wings, my juniors run the OBS team and they ask me for business advice and they are getting swamped right now. So my freaking point is:

SC2 will rock all of Korea, but not right now, maybe in like 4 months after the leagues get set-up. Keep in mind that SCBW is a mainstream activity in Korea like baseball, and if you were launch a new MLB or NFL, trust me, it would have been a lot more marketing, the marketing in Korea was huge, dont' get me wrong, but not SCBW huge (ie. TV commercials, new articles, celebrity endorsements, talk shows, etc). Also, Blizzard are really doing things their way, opposed to simply just trying to sell stuff in Korea. Obviously Blizzard knows how important Korea is, and they don't want to make a mistake here. And for all you guys out there who say, 'who needs Korea'; ok, I know you guys are passionate, but 1. we don't hate sc2, 2. we aren't set in our traditional ways playing scbw and 3. well you name me one country in the world that games are a mainstream past time and specifically SCBW? You go to an esports event outside of Korea, and look at the fans, and you look at them in Korea. And yes, I speak for all of Korea and yes E-sports and SC2 needs Korea and Korea will love SC2 ( in 4 months ^^).

On August 04 2010 22:35 ilbh wrote:


thanks for your post. it's good to know what is happening in korea from koreans.
of course we need korea!
but I have a question: is there any chance that people from KESPA, OSL and MSL decides to not make tournaments for SC2? I'm afraid they could just ignore SC2 since BW is still a success and progammers may dislike it.

On August 04 2010 23:03 Volkspanzer wrote:
Seems there's enough folks out there that enjoy SC2 with or without great figures from South Korea.

It would be nice that the country that fostered the trail-blazers of professional E-Sports would do well with it. But whether SC2 is successful in S. Korea or not, does it really matter?

I have confidence that the game I enjoy will continue to get support from Blizzard and websites like this, and not because it's a forced idea, but because enough people like it.

Don't be scared or emasculated

On August 04 2010 22:57 MightyAtom wrote:


It's not possible for them to continue whatsoever unless they come to an agreement with Gomtech (GomTV- where tasteless broadcasts for) which they haven't so by Aug, the gotta stop everything related to even SCBW. But I haven't hear anything crazy yet, but KESPA doesn't then there will be legal trouble and its gonna be who blinks first. At this point, Gomtech has all the rights and Aug was a deadline they gave to KESPA cause they couldnt' come to any agreement. Now, if the license was split into 2: SCBW and SC2, then it would be possible that there would be a huge fight between the two games with SCBW likely keeping SC2 out for at least 2 years; but in the case where KESPA was still presiding over everything when WC3 came out, the SCBW teams were just getting their footing and they purposely put pressure on KESPA not to designate WC3 pros as pro-gamers (I think it happened eventually) but the pressure to just focus on SCBW did put enough pressure on WC3 to be considered an e-sports failure (although it had gained momentum with many televised matches included matches played by Elky - my favorite by Elky with DH got kill by creeps lol).

Obviously GomTV is going to just push SC2, I'm sure its part of the reason why they were tapped to get the license. But, I know some blizzard Korea managers troll these forums, so only they can really say how they will handle things if KESPA persists. But after Aug, GomTech should come out with some killer content and big sponsored leagues, but again, SCBW, KESPA forbade any play or copies of SC2 for any of the pro gaming teams or for it to be in their practice computers in their training homes...so the Koreans who are really good now are either ex-pro-gamers or some real independents/up-and-comers who have focused their potential on SC2 rather than continuing with SCBW for the last few months during the beta period.

Regardless if ProGamers don't like it, I don't that will be a main issue; I don't think Koreans we generally think like that. If the game is enjoyable, the sponsored behind it, then on a practical point of view, its only common sense to move on. What I've hear from the ex-pro-gamers who started to play it, was that it was a totally different game (in terms of play/strategy) initially, but with sequential patches during the beta, it played a bit more like SCBW, but that they are really really enjoying it now. I think the biggest shock is that in Korea, we don't look at SCBW as a 12 year old game, it simply is e-sports, but after you play SC2, and then go and play SCBW, just by graphics alone, you're like omg, 12 years really has gone by. But to just to say, SCBW will always be legendary in Korea and a part of our modern history (crazy eh!!!) I don't care if there is SC9, SCBW will always hold its own place, but again, I am sure that the love for SCBW will carry over to SC2 in a short time. ^^

On August 04 2010 23:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:


No, it doesn't matter, because S. Korea doesn't have to be the end-all for e-sports. If SC2 can actually popularize e-sports in the west (an obvious goal for the game), then the importance of S. Korea will disappear because the west will enjoy e-sports as well.

On August 04 2010 20:16 BillyMole wrote:
As Nazgul and others have pointed out, the Open Beta is still running in Korea, so it's quite simple to understand why they're not paying to play it in bangs.

On top of that, this is basically an update to their national sport, and that will take time to catch on. IdrA, Tester, etc, they are leading the way by embracing SC2 so early, and every tournament that is run will have more of their fans flocking to SC2. The fans play what their idol plays, and most are still in SC1. This is unsurprising. If football 2.0 came out in the U.S., would all the NFL players immediately switch over? Hell no. You'd have a few teams looking taking the opportunity to stake out their territory in the new area, and the rest would adopt a slower wait-and-see stance. This is exactly what is happening over in Korea. I would be unsurprised if a lot of the pros plan to switch over, but not until both expansions are out.

Just think about it. When Flash switches over, that's a huge flood of new players right there. Same for Jaedong, etc. As long as they stay with SC1, their fans will as well.

On August 04 2010 23:11 MightyAtom wrote:
Unfortunately or fortunately it does matter in the area of e-sports. I won't get into it here, but when SC2 gets momentum in Korea and you fall totally in love with the game and your dream is to visit Korea to watch or even one day play in the leagues here, then you tell me if it really did matter or not. ^^