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Puosu
7003 Posts
Why else do you think Blizzard refuses to show the information? The 1.8m figure that didn't include Asia came from a third party source. Blizzard is hiding information from everywhere, not only Korea. How do they measure home usage? Is it based on copies sold? There's really no way every computer has malware on it tracking game usage, you know | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:13 Puosu wrote: The 1.8m figure that didn't include Asia came from a third party source. Blizzard is hiding information from everywhere, not only Korea. How do they measure home usage? Is it based on copies sold? There's really no way every computer has malware on it tracking game usage, you know There is no need to to install malware, I think it will be much easier if Blizzard count the numbers of CD keys used from SK, you know. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:13 Puosu wrote: The 1.8m figure that didn't include Asia came from a third party source. Blizzard is hiding information from everywhere, not only Korea. How do they measure home usage? Is it based on copies sold? There's really no way every computer has malware on it tracking game usage, you know They monitor networking traffic, how else do you think they got that statistic about SC2 ranking so low at HOMES. Your argument about only Blizzard having this info is utter bullshit. Personally, I think you should've just deleted the first line of the OP instead of changing the title | ||
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BillyMole
United States118 Posts
On top of that, this is basically an update to their national sport, and that will take time to catch on. IdrA, Tester, etc, they are leading the way by embracing SC2 so early, and every tournament that is run will have more of their fans flocking to SC2. The fans play what their idol plays, and most are still in SC1. This is unsurprising. If football 2.0 came out in the U.S., would all the NFL players immediately switch over? Hell no. You'd have a few teams looking taking the opportunity to stake out their territory in the new area, and the rest would adopt a slower wait-and-see stance. This is exactly what is happening over in Korea. I would be unsurprised if a lot of the pros plan to switch over, but not until both expansions are out. Just think about it. When Flash switches over, that's a huge flood of new players right there. Same for Jaedong, etc. As long as they stay with SC1, their fans will as well. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:43 junkacc wrote: people realize what a bad game it really is. ...... could these people please stop their vendetta -,-' its getting really old | ||
MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
So I bought it, online, took me like 45 mins to download with 1.5 mb/sec and yeah it's not much for me, but its quite a price jump from before at about 60 USD equivalent (just an estimate). Did I want a box set? Hell ya, did I know where to get one immediately? Um no, I mean they freaking sell SCBW in the 7-11's before or in the E-mart or whatever! So, screw it, I downloaded it, and I load it up and get a big old ' THERE ARE 2 VERSIONS, THE 12 YEAR & PLUS 18 YEAR OLD (yes its in the Korean equivalent of CAPS) PLAY THE RIGHT ONE. So anyway, when I registered, there were like 3 payment plans, a $2 one, I guess for 24hours, (I forgot) $10 for a week or some crap and the $60 dollar one for unlimited. So if you're at the internet cafe, you're gonna pay $2 for the game, and the PC cafe costs $1 dollar per hour and you're gonna play with your friends for like maybe 2-3 hours or you are there for a hour for lunch, and you can't set up a LAN? or a freaking Icehunters etc, yes, I know you can do it all via battlenet, but why bother? For now anyways. I don't the average Korean is gonna say SC2 sucks, its just that its not familiar yet and DAMN IT SCBW is fun. But I think with Blizzard Korea and Blizzard trying to control everything and the issue with E-Sports & KESPA, its like people know that SC2 is out, but its like they don't know either. FOR INSTANCE: SC2 should have been in every major paper in Korea for the last week, how Korea is going to own the international gaming scene and its the second coming of a new e-sports age, etc. But there isn't, its just these articles about how Mom's want to buy a box set for their kids and the sales are disappointing. BECAUSE: If Blizzard really was going to launch in Korea, it should have been a fucking 1 month celebration in Korea with the history of SCBW on tv etc, and all the pro teams giving their feedback and interviews with celebrities saying how much SC2 will bring out there inner gamer again. But that didnt' happen because of politics with KESPA but also Blizzards stance on the entire 'content for SC2' (I'm not going to get into that issue here), but after Aug, I'm sure a lot of things will change, because that is the ultra deadline for KESPA when Gomtech takes over everything. There are ALOT of sponsors waiting in the wings, my juniors run the OBS team and they ask me for business advice and they are getting swamped right now. So my freaking point is: SC2 will rock all of Korea, but not right now, maybe in like 4 months after the leagues get set-up. Keep in mind that SCBW is a mainstream activity in Korea like baseball, and if you were launch a new MLB or NFL, trust me, it would have been a lot more marketing, the marketing in Korea was huge, dont' get me wrong, but not SCBW huge (ie. TV commercials, new articles, celebrity endorsements, talk shows, etc). Also, Blizzard are really doing things their way, opposed to simply just trying to sell stuff in Korea. Obviously Blizzard knows how important Korea is, and they don't want to make a mistake here. And for all you guys out there who say, 'who needs Korea'; ok, I know you guys are passionate, but 1. we don't hate sc2, 2. we aren't set in our traditional ways playing scbw and 3. well you name me one country in the world that games are a mainstream past time and specifically SCBW? You go to an esports event outside of Korea, and look at the fans, and you look at them in Korea. And yes, I speak for all of Korea and yes E-sports and SC2 needs Korea and Korea will love SC2 ( in 4 months ^^). | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:06 Puosu wrote: People aren't playing it at PC Bangs because they can play it for free at their homes. PC Bang playtime goes down. StarCraft 2 is played more at home, too bad nobody but Blizzard has access to that data. You know you can play iccup broodwar for free from home too? ... still it's a lot played in PC bangs | ||
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Puosu
7003 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:16 ArvickHero wrote: They monitor networking traffic, how else do you think they got that statistic about SC2 ranking so low at HOMES. Your argument about only Blizzard having this info is utter bullshit. Personally, I think you should've just deleted the first line of the OP instead of changing the title I didn't know it was legal to monitor network usage like that, however I guess people can just log in to battle.net and see the amount of people online there as well. If someone here has access to the Korean server we could do some calculations of our own to see how the amount of players compares. I believe it's too early to say if it's a failure in the whole Korea thus I changed the title to something else, it will take it's time as BW is so huge and it makes sense for them to be slow in the switch. On August 04 2010 20:38 wiesel wrote: You know you can play iccup broodwar for free from home too? ... still it's a lot played in PC bangs Yes, illegally. I would still think that there's more people willing to play a game for free when its marketed as such and not go through pirating etc. edit: MightyAtom, thanks for posting that. Really appreciate information coming from you. | ||
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
IF sc2 fails, Blizzard-Activision have already killed off Kespa, OSL and MSL, so both games will die if SC2 fails. Personally I am starting to get bored, but we can hope they fix the glaring issues with the game before the mainstreamers leave it, then maybe. | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On August 04 2010 20:48 HowardRoark wrote: SC2 seem more and more to go the same fate as Counter Strike Source, and the problem is this: IF sc2 fails, Blizzard-Activision have already killed off Kespa, OSL and MSL, so both games will die if SC2 fails. Personally I am starting to get bored, but we can hope they fix the glaring issues with the game before the mainstreamers leave it, then maybe. Kespa, OSL and MSL didn't get killed, seems like you misunderstood something.. Anyone who thinks superstars like Flash will switch anytime in the next 1-2 years is insane, there's not enough money in sc2 yet. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On August 04 2010 19:53 EximoSua2 wrote: Korea's approval is not important. I know that sounds ludicrous, but it's time to get over them. There's a big wide world outside of them, and we are embracing and loving SC2. good luck creating a steady esport scene without korea or kespa to survive 10 years tt im pretty sure korea is gonna switch over, i think its the biggest thing going on there right now and everyone is talking about it. as soon as more progamers will switch then i think it will explode :p also when the game is still free over there maybe more ppl stay at home and play, i dunno. it seems like statistics wont say alot until it costs money like over here | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On August 04 2010 19:59 Apolo wrote: If the game is not for sale there, then why not close the topic, since the claims made by the OP are out of palce? This is definitely a borderline topic that may get closed sooner or later. The reason why it's open is because sources discuss the use of SC2 in PCBangs and speculate on the success of SC2. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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verrater
United States11 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
I think what has been the worst from a PR perspective is the way they essentially chose to go to war with Kespa. Even if they were justified in doing so, so was the RIAA etc for their music piracy shit. It doesn't mean it will be popular with Korean's when every day there's news about Blizzard stepping in and trying to dictate how things work when they have showed no significant interest in the proliferation of e-sports in Korea. I'm sure there's a lot of people who feel like they laid the groundwork and now Blizzard is trying to shoulder their way in, and that attitude gets reflected in news articles and whatnot. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On August 04 2010 21:38 verrater wrote: Who cares about Korea? They may be good at RTS's but that doesn't mean that their opinion on the game is any more important than anyone else. You know of any other country where SCBW is a mainstream daily televised event with 2 dedicated channels and the national airline as a major sponsor? | ||
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Mannerheim
766 Posts
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UisTehSux
United States693 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Guys! I love you guys cause half of you think Koreans don't like SC2 and we suck, the other half think it we don't like it because it sucks and there are the few who know its environmental reasons. So I bought it, online, took me like 45 mins to download with 1.5 mb/sec and yeah it's not much for me, but its quite a price jump from before at about 60 USD equivalent (just an estimate). Did I want a box set? Hell ya, did I know where to get one immediately? Um no, I mean they freaking sell SCBW in the 7-11's before or in the E-mart or whatever! So, screw it, I downloaded it, and I load it up and get a big old ' THERE ARE 2 VERSIONS, THE 12 YEAR & PLUS 18 YEAR OLD (yes its in the Korean equivalent of CAPS) PLAY THE RIGHT ONE. So anyway, when I registered, there were like 3 payment plans, a $2 one, I guess for 24hours, (I forgot) $10 for a week or some crap and the $60 dollar one for unlimited. So if you're at the internet cafe, you're gonna pay $2 for the game, and the PC cafe costs $1 dollar per hour and you're gonna play with your friends for like maybe 2-3 hours or you are there for a hour for lunch, and you can't set up a LAN? or a freaking Icehunters etc, yes, I know you can do it all via battlenet, but why bother? For now anyways. I don't the average Korean is gonna say SC2 sucks, its just that its not familiar yet and DAMN IT SCBW is fun. But I think with Blizzard Korea and Blizzard trying to control everything and the issue with E-Sports & KESPA, its like people know that SC2 is out, but its like they don't know either. FOR INSTANCE: SC2 should have been in every major paper in Korea for the last week, how Korea is going to own the international gaming scene and its the second coming of a new e-sports age, etc. But there isn't, its just these articles about how Mom's want to buy a box set for their kids and the sales are disappointing. BECAUSE: If Blizzard really was going to launch in Korea, it should have been a fucking 1 month celebration in Korea with the history of SCBW on tv etc, and all the pro teams giving their feedback and interviews with celebrities saying how much SC2 will bring out there inner gamer again. But that didnt' happen because of politics with KESPA but also Blizzards stance on the entire 'content for SC2' (I'm not going to get into that issue here), but after Aug, I'm sure a lot of things will change, because that is the ultra deadline for KESPA when Gomtech takes over everything. There are ALOT of sponsors waiting in the wings, my juniors run the OBS team and they ask me for business advice and they are getting swamped right now. So my freaking point is: SC2 will rock all of Korea, but not right now, maybe in like 4 months after the leagues get set-up. Keep in mind that SCBW is a mainstream activity in Korea like baseball, and if you were launch a new MLB or NFL, trust me, it would have been a lot more marketing, the marketing in Korea was huge, dont' get me wrong, but not SCBW huge (ie. TV commercials, new articles, celebrity endorsements, talk shows, etc). Also, Blizzard are really doing things their way, opposed to simply just trying to sell stuff in Korea. Obviously Blizzard knows how important Korea is, and they don't want to make a mistake here. And for all you guys out there who say, 'who needs Korea'; ok, I know you guys are passionate, but 1. we don't hate sc2, 2. we aren't set in our traditional ways playing scbw and 3. well you name me one country in the world that games are a mainstream past time and specifically SCBW? You go to an esports event outside of Korea, and look at the fans, and you look at them in Korea. And yes, I speak for all of Korea and yes E-sports and SC2 needs Korea and Korea will love SC2 ( in 4 months ^^). | ||
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
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