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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:32 DorF wrote: Woho!! Sc2 going to hell ! That's what you get blizzard when you betray everything that was good about BW cheers mate  On a side note, posts like this annoy the hell out of me. If you like BW more, then play it. No one is stopping you, or making you play SC2. There's really no reason to advertise your elitist fanboyism here. | ||
MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:17 Stratos_speAr wrote: No, it doesn't matter, because S. Korea doesn't have to be the end-all for e-sports. If SC2 can actually popularize e-sports in the west (an obvious goal for the game), then the importance of S. Korea will disappear because the west will enjoy e-sports as well. I wish that will be the case and it would be great if that happened. It would be great if the national banks of the US or EU became sponsors; Celebrities like Tom Cruise and Justin Timberlake were having a break playing SC2, if NBC and ABC made sub-stations broadcasting E-sports all day long, if you could impress a lot of hot random chicks or guys that you play SC2 and are Diamond, if the sports newspaper reported daily on the team trades and scandals between team managers, if there could be permanent e-sports stadiums in the major cities, and you got paid 60 to 100k a year by your sponsors. A lot of you don't get this one point. What is popular in your view, may not be mainstream society popular. Its a big difference. In America or the west, do you really think that playing SC2 will make you cool or add to your nerdiness (sorry to be blunt like that) while in Korea or in Asia, it may not be the case. Even China tries to follow the Korea E-sports model and they are probably the only other example except for Taiwan or Singapore which would have a chance to launch e-sports as something mainstream. Without the mainstream aspect you can't get the long term and high levels of sponsorship. No doubt that in the West SC2 will be huge and maybe once a year it will be the major papers for a huge tournament, maybe even 5 times a years and maybe this will last for the next 3 years, but after that without the mainstream support, its a bunch of nerds running around begging for sponsorship from video card companies (again sorry to be blunt). E-sports in Korea was always on a knife's edge in terms of sponsorship until about 5 years ago, before then only a few teams out of the whole had consistent sponsorship. It was extremely tough to establish in Korea. Now many people can look to the subcultures that are huge in the west like comic con, but again, its the level of what you consider to be e-sports and the sustainability (12 freaking years). I was with wcg when it first began in 2000 and 2001 and I worked with BattleTop in Korea, I helped established the first PC bang franchise in Canada and I worked with one of the biggest PC bang franchises in Korea and I've seen Giyom and Elky and Rekrul througout their entire career. I love to play, but I've always been on the industry side of things, and I'll tell you, I would love it if every country in the world had the potential to support a professional e-sports community, but, as a precedent only Korea has been proven to do so. I just got back from a trip to Taipei and met with Aztec marketing for their SC2 plans, and what they have is great, their entire set-up, in this gov't support youth center with a broadcasting studio, established leagues and 400 internet cafes supporting them and they are like less than 2% of what Korea is. What your definition of e-sports is and what e-sports in Korea is totally different on the scale; so I complete hope that you are right, but regardless of social aspect that because we're all considered nerds in the west to be devoted to this kind of game, my main point is: infrastructure is what allows e-sports to be what it is, otherwise, its just a bunch of amateur leagues and one off tournaments, nothing to make a real career out of. Now, I do have some insider information that there are some very major plans to provide this infrastructure for the west, and if can get by the social aspect of it, then great. But, I hope you get my point how tough it is. You guys shouldn't say, we don't need Korea. Even if it is popularized in the west and some how stabilized, where do you think the big money for the initial sponsorship is still going to be at, where the banks and major corporations have been shelling out millions of USD each year? Where is the west going to get all the data of how much return on e-sports will bring to their company? Korea. And if they say, 'well if its such a great sponsorship, why isn't Korea sponsoring SC2 now? ' What the hell you gonna say? Please people. You better get on your knees now an pray that Korea loves SC2 more than SCBW cause at least some of you guys could experience some of the most beautiful women on the world look at you with adoring eyes, at the very least. 'omg, you protoss player? I love you....' (sorry to be blunt ^^ I don't mean to use nerd in a negative way) | ||
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:41 mitsoz wrote: Maybe you should realise that your naive ideas about which game is "better" don't really matter to sc2's success as an e-sport. There is now so much money involved in the game that it simply does not boil down to that. Just think that recently blizzard had a major disagreement with kespa. Don't you think kespa has the power to pull the strings in korea and try to taint the image of the game? And every article and game review in major media is far from being independent and representative of just the writer's opinion, there are big companies with agendas behind them. And for such big names as starcraft and blizzard-activision there are a lot of agendas to go around. With this quote from someone who understands the overall picture of what is going on and since I just read the other responses given, when I was typing. LOL I GIVE UP, you guys win, I'm not trying to tell you that you need Korea to love SC2, or that Korea is the be end and end all of SC2, just trying to explain the more complexities here and the significance for e-sports and why there is the emphasis is here. I'm Korean, I'm not trying to brain wash you! Believe what you want and don't come to my country to watch SC2 professional games live, go watch it your own country or on VOD!!!! I'm gonna track your IP numbers and report them to the national cyber police to let immigration know not to let anyone in from your entire IP area and you're now all responsible for denying your close friends and family from experience the beauty and corporate excess of e-sports in Korea.. ^^ but seriously I GIVE UP. you guys win. | ||
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Doomgaze
Sweden89 Posts
Also, great post MightyAtom. | ||
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:04 Doomgaze wrote: I find it REALLY difficult to believe that e-sports in the west will be promoted to the same status as BW in korea. There are more factors behind BWs success than simply it being a good game. SC2 alone will not accomplish this in the west. It is all but a floating dream hyped by enthusiasts. Though, I applause all efforts. Also, great post MightyAtom. Sniffle, thanks. keke ^^ | ||
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Nexrad87
United States57 Posts
press just said it was the fastest selling RTS of all time hows that a failure? | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
WoW may be popular, but its public perception is pretty awful. When SC2 is on ESPN, I will change my mind. Then again, ESPN aired the freakin National Spelling Bee of all things. | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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carwashguy
United States175 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:13 Nexrad87 wrote: has to be a troll press just said it was the fastest selling RTS of all time hows that a failure? Doesnt equate at all to longevity or even quality to be honest. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:03 MightyAtom wrote: With this quote from someone who understands the overall picture of what is going on and since I just read the other responses given, when I was typing. LOL I GIVE UP, you guys win, I'm not trying to tell you that you need Korea to love SC2, or that Korea is the be end and end all of SC2, just trying to explain the more complexities here and the significance for e-sports and why there is the emphasis is here. I'm Korean, I'm not trying to brain wash you! Believe what you want and don't come to my country to watch SC2 professional games live, go watch it your own country or on VOD!!!! I'm gonna track your IP numbers and report them to the national cyber police to let immigration know not to let anyone in from your entire IP area and you're now all responsible for denying your close friends and family from experience the beauty and corporate excess of e-sports in Korea.. ^^ but seriously I GIVE UP. you guys win.  | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50532 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:03 MightyAtom wrote: With this quote from someone who understands the overall picture of what is going on and since I just read the other responses given, when I was typing. LOL I GIVE UP, you guys win, I'm not trying to tell you that you need Korea to love SC2, or that Korea is the be end and end all of SC2, just trying to explain the more complexities here and the significance for e-sports and why there is the emphasis is here. I'm Korean, I'm not trying to brain wash you! Believe what you want and don't come to my country to watch SC2 professional games live, go watch it your own country or on VOD!!!! I'm gonna track your IP numbers and report them to the national cyber police to let immigration know not to let anyone in from your entire IP area and you're now all responsible for denying your close friends and family from experience the beauty and corporate excess of e-sports in Korea.. ^^ but seriously I GIVE UP. you guys win. [day9]NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER![/day9] sc2 will have success in korea soon. | ||
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kmdarkmaster
France188 Posts
On August 04 2010 23:41 Cofo wrote: On a side note, posts like this annoy the hell out of me. If you like BW more, then play it. No one is stopping you, or making you play SC2. There's really no reason to advertise your elitist fanboyism here. On August 05 2010 00:28 drewbie.root wrote: bw will die in the next year anyways, GOGO SC2 IS THE FUTURE ! Now you see why loool. It's not because of the Koreans, it's not because of SC:BW or SC2 being better, it's not because of anything else, it's just because Blizzard hyuked it up. This is an exact example of how a father's greed can kill his own son. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
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Seltsam
United States343 Posts
On August 04 2010 13:43 junkacc wrote: Industry experts say SC2's entry into e-sports will be unclear if this trend continues, *GASP*! The future isn't certain!? This is completely new information to me. | ||
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balistix
Croatia63 Posts
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StormsInJuly
Sweden165 Posts
Thanks for your posts, it's nice to see someone who knows what he's talking about for a change | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
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Armut
Turkey141 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:04 balistix wrote: internet caffe? what the hell why do they use those for statistics maybe because the whole idea of Esports evolved from player groups playing in cafe's together making teams, the cafe's promoting tournaments to get more customers and after that sponsors realize that people going to the cafe's to participate in tournaments and making teams so they started to finance them. It was like this for Counter Strike and It was the same for SC. Nothing can evolve from nothing. Like revolution ideas grow in the masses of people's brain, Computer Cafe's are where the masses started the idea of Esports. (My whole post is a response to balistix my friendi. Not saying SC BW better or somethign like that) | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
Those industry experts should be named - i highly doubt they ever predicted anything. Now, due to TL.net hating 2 line posts, I'll talk about a little flower called Bob. Bob was a sad flower, cos no bees would kiss him... So he worked on his abs, and boy did he work hard. And now they all want him - but Bob meanwhile turned gay. The end. | ||
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