And the effects of the Real ID forum changes are.. - Page 6

ta2

125 Posts

July 09 2010 14:56 GMT

#101

On July 09 2010 12:39 Integra wrote:
Blizzard has hit the first page on most web media, and not only game related media. Guess they didn't think it would be such a big fuzz. Bellow is a more comprehensive list of websites that demonstrates what effect this controversial move has had so far:

Center for Democracy & Technology -They are accusing Blizzard of doing this so they can sell information to other companies, as proof they point at Blizzards New Privacy Policy.
http://www.cdt.org/blogs/sean-brooks/blizzard-looks-chill-forum-speech-real-id

BBC News - World of Warcraft maker to end anonymous forum logins
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10543100.stm

USA Today - 'WoW' studio Blizzard to require real names on forums
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/07/wow-studio-blizzard-to-require-real-names-on-forums/1

ABC News - Bye-Bye Trolls? Blizzard Forums to Use Real Names
abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=11108240

CVG - Fans rage over Blizzard forum plans
www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=254846

PCGamer (UK) - Why Blizzard’s new forum plan is an epic fail
http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/07/07/why-blizzard’s-new-forum-plan-is-an-epic-fail/

The Register - Blizzard exposes real names on WoW forums
www.reghardware.com/2010/07/07/wow_forums/

About.com - WoW Real ID: A Really Bad Idea
http://antivirus.about.com/b/2010/06/22/wow-real-id-a-really-bad-idea.htm

Ars Technica - Blizzard: post about StarCraft 2? Use your real name
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/07/blizzard-post-about-starcraft-2-use-your-real-name.ars

Gamespy - Blizzard to Require Real Names on Official Forums
uk.pc.gamespy.com/articles/110/1104456p1.html

Kotaku - Blizzard Forums Will Soon Display Your Real Name
http://kotaku.com/5580585/blizzard-forums-will-soon-display-your-real-name

Joystiq - Your real name to appear on Blizzard's official forums
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/06/your-real-name-to-appear-on-blizzards-official-forums/

Inc Gamers - Blizzard Going Too Far With Real ID?
http://www.incgamers.com/Columns/94/blizzard-going-too-far-with-real-id

MTV Multiplayer - Blizzard Cracks Down On Anonymity In Official Forums
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/07/07/blizzard-cracks-down-on-anonymity-in-official-forums/

TechEYE.net - Blizzard forces users to show real names: Internet security
they have heard of it
http://www.techeye.net/security/blizzard-forces-users-to-show-real-names

Product Reviews News - WoW Real ID System: Security Flaw Found
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/07/07/wow-real-id-system-security-flaw-found/

ITWorld - Blizzard to share your name with angry video game nerds
http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/113202/blizzard-share-your-name-angry-video-game-nerds

Voodoo Extreme - Is Blizzard's Real ID Safe, Or A Playground For Sexual
Deviants?
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/55728/Is-Blizzards-Real-ID-Safe-Or-A-Playground-For-Sexual-Deviants

Examiner National - World of Warcraft Players WoWed by Blizzard's REALID
announcement
http://www.examiner.com/x-48234-Santa-Ana-Internet-Examiner~y2010m7d7-World-of-Warcraft-Players-WoWed-by-Blizzards-REALID-announcement

EuroGamer - Blizzard forums to require real names
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/blizzard-forums-to-require-real-names

GameFocus - Blizzard To Kill Anonymity On Forums
www.gamefocus.ca/?nav=new&nid=10091

Strategy Informer - Battle.net removes "veil of anonymity" on forums,
real names used
http://www.strategyinformer.com/interstitial.php?
oldurl=http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/8551/battlenet-removes-veil-of-anonymity-on-forums-real-names-used

HuskyStarcraft - Blizzard Forums: First and Last Names [VIDEO]

AusGamers - Blizzard Switching Forums to Real ID System
http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/2926798

Australian Gamer - Blizzard decide to give out subscribers' real names
http://www.australiangamer.com/news/3239_blizzard_decide_to_give_out_subscribers_real_names.html

Zeroday - Is Korean Law Driving Policy at Blizzard?
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/zeroday/2010/07/07/is-korean-law-driving-policy-at-blizzard/

MMO-Champion to add additional forum structure and bandwitdh to its own forums in case Blizzard actually goes through with it.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

Spiegel Online ( one of the biggest german online newspaper)
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,705406,00.html

What you did there, I see it - Accuses Blizzard to help stalkers stalk people over the net.
http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

EDIT:
I've given up on updating the thread of links, only reason I'll add new links if it is brings something new.

If the link simply just a general information that explains that Blizzard has made a change about the forum posting policy and nothing more then I won't add it. However if it brings up the changes from a perspective not yet already covered I might add it.

ZLOL dude, I made this collection of links in the first place, don't try to grow your e-peen by taking credit for it.

Edit: Here's my original list http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25626580698&sid=3000

CROrens

Croatia1005 Posts

July 09 2010 14:56 GMT

#102

On July 09 2010 23:55 D-Lite wrote:

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provide references with your claims please, they are getting more exaggerated by the post

haha you really didnt hear about those murders cuz of video games. it happened - if you really want i can dig it up, but you can find it your self, just google. its true

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 09 2010 14:59 GMT

#103

On July 09 2010 23:53 D-Lite wrote:

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your still not explaining why its a bad thing to have your real name on the internet myles.
obviously were of mixed opinions because i couldnt care less about my real name being posted
and you feel very strongly against it, yet you still havent provided any reasons why.

what is a random kid gonna do with your real name if he does take offence to what you have said on the internet, which actually reaffirms my point i made earlier "the only people who will care about realID are people who like to flame"

even if my entire address was posted every time someone looked at my profile i couldnt care less, what is someone gonna do with it anyway? send a letter bomb to my house, dont think so.

You seem to be under the assumption that a very small probability is equal to zero. There are crazy people on the internet and I have no desire to give them a direct link to my personal information.

I think I've been very clear that having someones real name makes it incredibility easy to find out much of their personal information. Your claim that it's unlikely is not a valid discount. It shouldn't be possible at all from posting on a forum unless you're an idiot and you give away your own information. The fact that it makes it possible to harass people in real life is enough reason not to use it.

love.less

United Kingdom293 Posts

July 09 2010 14:59 GMT

#104

I said it would be very rare, but with all the people on the internet I know it will happen to someone. People have killed others over internet game bullshit. You're extremely naive if you think this won't happen to a small minority.

the same could happen in everyday life if you pissed somebody off or eyed up somebodys girl or hey even if there was a simple misunderstanding does that mean your never going to state your opinion in a public place or look at that hottie standing at the bar next time your out?=]=]

D-Lite

United Kingdom223 Posts

July 09 2010 15:00 GMT

#105

so my google search didnt turn up much

http://kotaku.com/279272/teen-killed-by-brother-over-video-game

killed by his brother for who got the next turn.

if only his brother didnt have his realID none of this would have happened.

im still looking for references by the way ill update if i find any

Sixes

Canada1123 Posts

July 09 2010 15:00 GMT

#106

Anyone else busy cooking up their fake gamer IDs?

I'm gonna have an imaginary roommate very soon ... create a gmail, facebook account and log all that into blizzard with the CD key I'll receive on the real game.

Note that unless you preordered from blizzard they don't have the link between name and CD key until you log it in ...

most common surnames in NA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_North_America

and Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_Europe

And first names (unless you want to use the real one, I mean, changing just the last name is enough to be pretty hard to trace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_given_names

I think William Tremblay sounds nice.

Call me Bill !

ta2

125 Posts

July 09 2010 15:02 GMT

#107

On July 09 2010 23:48 D-Lite wrote:
has anyone thought of the players such as

Greg "idra" Fields
Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Hayden "haypro" Hussein
i could go on but i wont

these people's names are common knowledge amongst the sc community, a quick google will even bring up some of day9's OLD photo's
why arent these the people who are up in arms over real ID telling the world of what potention threats it causes.

IdrA has to be one of the most disliked players in starcraft, yet i dont see anyone baying for his blood, or tracking him down to the CJentus house.

i think this is just all blown out of proportion and people are beginning to take it way to far.

meh could just be me though, for all i know thousands of people could have been aprehended on their way to korea with a butter knife in hand

Maybe they won't have a problem getting a job AS A PRO GAMER if Googling them shows hundreds of SC2 posts. Maybe someone trying to get a NORMAL job would be thrown out the window if they're seen to play WoW all the time. Maybe because none of these are female and wouldn't get harassed by teenage nerds?

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 09 2010 15:02 GMT

#108

This is exactly what I'm talking about. And it will happen again and only be made easier by RealID.

http://kokugamer.com/2010/05/31/counter-strike-player-spends-6-months-plotting-murder-on-rival/

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 09 2010 15:05 GMT

#109

On July 09 2010 23:59 love.less wrote:

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I don't get into debates with people I don't know, especially discussions which the other person is clearly very adamant about. You never know how they're going to react.

Also, there are much fewer people in those situations so the chance of a 1 in a million crazy being there and taking action is very small. With the internet, millions and millions of people can read your every word, meaning even with a 1 in a million crazy chance, there will still be a few there.

D-Lite

United Kingdom223 Posts

July 09 2010 15:09 GMT

#110

On July 10 2010 00:02 ta2 wrote:

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i didnt mention jobs, and if an employer didnt give you a job because you play online games thats grounds for discrimination, and then your likely to have a lovely tribunal on your hands, possibly resulting in a bigger pay off than a year working at said job you couldnt get would pay.

either way, the reasons for people are coming up with for not having your real name on the internet are getting more and more tedious.

i use my real name for a large ammount of my email address', does that make me a potential realID victim?

the only reason i could think have your real name online is detrimental is that if an incredibly determined ID fraudster+hacker, could gain more information about you than you wanted,
which in most cases would be harder than going through somebodys rubbish bin for a bank letter/national insurance number

love.less

United Kingdom293 Posts

July 09 2010 15:09 GMT

#111

you dont have to get into debates they could overhear you say something to you somebody else and be a complete and total lunatic or something and yeah your in a debate with me atm and you dont know me >.<

heres a debate with somebody you dont know about you not debating with people you dont know

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 09 2010 15:10 GMT

#112

How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 09 2010 15:12 GMT

#113

On July 10 2010 00:09 love.less wrote:
you dont have to get into debates they could overhear you say something to you somebody else and be a complete and total lunatic or something and yeah your in a debate with me atm and you dont know me >.<

Yea they could, but like I said it's a million to one chance. With a few hundred people in any place at one time, that's around a .03% chance. When 5 million people read your post, 5 people will be crazy. The problem is exposure on the internet, not that real life doesn't still apply.

D-Lite

United Kingdom223 Posts

July 09 2010 15:14 GMT

#114

On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote:
How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?

but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world.

to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0.

infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins

Luke Curran
Liverpool
United kingdom

add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly.

everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why

love.less

United Kingdom293 Posts

July 09 2010 15:14 GMT

#115

of course harrasment is a big deal im sure nobody has tried to deny that but this is opt in you dont have to post of the forum to enjoy the game, if you want to interact with other people outside of the game(forum) then you do, much as in every day situations, give up some personal information

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 09 2010 15:17 GMT

#116

On July 10 2010 00:14 D-Lite wrote:

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Yes, but what about people with unique names? There's only a few hundred people in the US with my last name. I'm pretty sure there is no one else in the US(or the world for that matter) that has my full name. A google search takes you to a local paper that has my graduation class and from there it would be easy to find where I live and everything else.

And you're ignoring the reasons against RealID. You simply refuse to accept the fact that harassment is made possible by it.

ta2

125 Posts

July 09 2010 15:18 GMT

#117

On July 10 2010 00:09 D-Lite wrote:

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LMAO, you're so naïve. Do you know how hard it is to sue for blatant discrimination, let alone this? You would never even find out that prospective employers tossed your CV in the bin because they Googled you, let alone be able to sue them for it. You're obviously living in a little fantasy land, have you ever applied for a real job?

love.less

United Kingdom293 Posts

July 09 2010 15:18 GMT

#118

And you're ignoring the reasons against RealID. You simply refuse to accept the fact that harassment is made possible by it.

id say it can help somebody to harras another person but it doesnt magically "make it possible"

D-Lite

United Kingdom223 Posts

July 09 2010 15:19 GMT

#119

On July 10 2010 00:17 Myles wrote:

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that has been your only reason through-out though, even though you keep saying harassment your not saying what negative connotations it could bring

Myles

United States5162 Posts

July 09 2010 15:19 GMT

#120

On July 10 2010 00:14 love.less wrote:
of course harrasment is a big deal im sure nobody has tried to deny that but this is opt in you dont have to post of the forum to enjoy the game, if you want to interact with other people outside of the game(forum) then you do, much as in every day situations, give up some personal information

I'm gonna end this and watch the TLO vs WhiteRa showmatch, but I've been interacting with people over the internet for over 10 years. Not once have I given out my full name to a random person, never.

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