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Yay! Hey everyone, let's go make some high quality posts on Blizzard's forums!!!
Wait, what? Nobody's coming with me?
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On July 10 2010 01:49 SoleSteeler wrote:They just revoked the change: + Show Spoiler +http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1Hello everyone, I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name. I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature. In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning. Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
And all it took was one of the most epic shitstorms since the absence of announcement about the absence of Lan. Well played folks, they can hear us if we shout loud enough +1 blizzard
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On July 10 2010 01:13 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 00:58 floor exercise wrote:
Danger or not, Blizzard is implementing it to essentially curb trolling. Blizzard is implementing it to essentially curb posting. But hey why do you need forums when you dont listen to your community anyway...
This was the biggest thing that struck me after thinking about it. A lot of people (the vocal ones) complain about how blizzard doesn't respond to or really care about people who post, so why does it matter what name shows up for a forum you don't use?
The extent to which I've used the blizzard forums over the past few years has been to argue about dumb drama on my then WoW server. I don't know many people who are different. All serious game posting about blizzard products has been on third party sites.
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On July 10 2010 01:49 SoleSteeler wrote:They just revoked the change: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1Show nested quote +Hello everyone, I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name. I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature. In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning. Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
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On July 10 2010 01:54 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 01:49 SoleSteeler wrote:They just revoked the change: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1Hello everyone, I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name. I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature. In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning. Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
Actually their stock has gone up.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ATVI Interactive#symbol=ATVI;range=5d
Of course, I'm just as happy about this change as everyone else.
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Wow, congrats to them to listening to what their customers wanted. Now i just hope they give us EU's some good news in an hour!
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....Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature...
Yeah more Facebook features I cant wait for them. Its optional atleast for now.
I really dont like the way theyre heading at all. Whoever thinks this is a big win fails. :/. If they were to implent a private-mode button in the new Battle.net then you might have a smalll reason to celebrate.
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On July 10 2010 01:54 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 01:49 SoleSteeler wrote:They just revoked the change: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1Hello everyone, I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name. I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature. In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning. Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
Their stock is public information... it went up a quarter of a point since July 6.
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Blizzard needs to stop throwing things and hope they stick and start swinging that ban hammer more liberally. If there's one thing that'll improve the forums it's stricter rules
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Unique identifiers...good! That's what they should have proposed in the first place.
Despite what is commonly said on the internet that anonymity causes people to be jerks to one another, its false. Lack of ACCOUNTABILITY is what does that. There's a big difference.
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Edit: Well it seems I should have read the previous posts on this page a little more clearly lol. Blizzard revoked their decision - in such case I cannot comprehend why they would propse such an idea in the first place to make forums 'troll/flame/drama free' the only way to have that happen is to have dedicated active moderators checking each and every thread. Not four for every single Blizzard forum. It's really no surprise to me they cannot admin their forums properly with so few moderators on there, and most Blue posters are not moderators....
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Thank God reason won out over this. I realize they want to improve the quality of the forums, but this was far too intrusive of a policy change. So glad they realized this and made the right choice. The new forums now sound really good with the new tools they'll be implementing. I'm not going to drastically change my posting patterns to skew towards the official boards, but at least I'll bounce around and contribute here and there as opposed to avoiding it entirely.
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On July 10 2010 01:54 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 01:49 SoleSteeler wrote:They just revoked the change: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1Hello everyone, I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name. I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature. In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning. Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
1) Not funny
2) False
Good news on the change though, not that I actually care about whether real names are posted but rather so everyone can stop crying over it.
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On July 10 2010 01:57 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 01:54 Offhand wrote:On July 10 2010 01:49 SoleSteeler wrote:They just revoked the change: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1Hello everyone, I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name. I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature. In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning. Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends. Actually their stock has gone up. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ATVI Interactive#symbol=ATVI;range=5dOf course, I'm just as happy about this change as everyone else.
Crap, I only looked at the 6th's numbers.
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On July 10 2010 01:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote:
I completely agree with love.less in this debate.
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation. That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other.
In general you are right I guess. But the thing that bothers me in this is that an HR departement can deside to hire you or not based on assumptions related to your personal life. I'm all for being 'social and positive' but to me there's a difference in being 'positive and social' among friends, in public places or on a workfloor. I can act like the biggest idiot on a forum (and not necesseraly bother anyone with it) or on the street and be a perfect worker/teamplayer.
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On July 10 2010 02:18 wolveriiiine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 01:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote:
I completely agree with love.less in this debate.
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation. That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other. In general you are right I guess. But the thing that bothers me in this is that an HR departement can deside to hire you or not based on assumptions related to your personal life. I'm all for being 'social and positive' but to me there's a difference in being 'positive and social' among friends, in public places or on a workfloor. I can act like the biggest idiot on a forum (and not necesseraly bother anyone with it) or on the street and be a perfect worker/teamplayer.
I agree, but what I don't like is people blaming Blizzard for these problems. It's the employers who are fucked up. For the personal privacy issues, it's the web sites that allow you to type in a name and get an address/phone number/etc that are fucked up. It's the criminals who would harass and assault someone because they posted on a forum that are fucked up. It's typical introverted submissive nerd behavior to just stay anonymous and keep away from the big bad world. It's typical idiotic behavior to blame Blizzard for the fucked up things in the world.
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On July 10 2010 02:22 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 02:18 wolveriiiine wrote:On July 10 2010 01:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote:
I completely agree with love.less in this debate.
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation. That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other. In general you are right I guess. But the thing that bothers me in this is that an HR departement can deside to hire you or not based on assumptions related to your personal life. I'm all for being 'social and positive' but to me there's a difference in being 'positive and social' among friends, in public places or on a workfloor. I can act like the biggest idiot on a forum (and not necesseraly bother anyone with it) or on the street and be a perfect worker/teamplayer. I agree, but what I don't like is people blaming Blizzard for these problems. It's the employers who are fucked up. For the personal privacy issues, it's the web sites that allow you to type in a name and get an address/phone number/etc that are fucked up. It's the criminals who would harass and assault someone because they posted on a forum that are fucked up. It's typical introverted submissive nerd behavior to just stay anonymous and keep away from the big bad world. It's typical idiotic behavior to blame Blizzard for the fucked up things in the world.
But that's the thing, the world is fucked up. So I like my private information to be private. Because people could do bad stuff with it. Even if it's none of their business.
So hooray for the change and Blizzard... they do listen if you just cry loud enough ;-)
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On July 09 2010 23:53 D-Lite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 23:49 Myles wrote:On July 09 2010 23:47 love.less wrote:You'd have to know my name to look me up. If I don't give you my name it'd be damn near impossible to find anything about me.
Without real name - very diffucult to find someone.
With real name - very easy. tbh i dont think anybody would want to look you up even if they did have your real name or me for that matter but i can see the problem with realID using real names for people know in the community, popular guys who dont want their personal info to be public knowledge the likes of sean day9 plott and greg idra fields. oh wait what? Most likely someone wouldn't want to look me up. However, in the rare chance some random kid on the internet doesn't like what I say, I'd rather not give them the information to find me and harass me. your still not explaining why its a bad thing to have your real name on the internet myles. obviously were of mixed opinions because i couldnt care less about my real name being posted and you feel very strongly against it, yet you still havent provided any reasons why. what is a random kid gonna do with your real name if he does take offence to what you have said on the internet, which actually reaffirms my point i made earlier "the only people who will care about realID are people who like to flame" even if my entire address was posted every time someone looked at my profile i couldnt care less, what is someone gonna do with it anyway? send a letter bomb to my house, dont think so.
On July 10 2010 00:14 D-Lite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote:
How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal? but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world. to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0. infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins Luke Curran Liverpool United kingdom add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly. everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why
so you seem to genuinely interested
so why haven't you browsed (in 5 minutes or so) the first thread that was made on tl about it
i'm very particular about the subject and probably one of the few that went through all the thread and then kept reading this one
so my thought is that if you just take no more than 5 minutes going through that first (150 pages) thread, maybe you'll start realizing that your opinion (which you are naturally entitled to) is maybe not the only one you should be considering
just to get you started, this trend of un-anonymity by corporations such as activision leads to:
spamming
corporate discrimination
gender and ethnic bias
facilitates e stalking identity theft or cyber crimes
encourages dangerous people that actually use this information to hurt people
(from hurtfull to lethal)
... is that enough?
the fact that you feel safe, and apparently have not yet suffered any incident of that sort of have never heard of any such crimes should not convince you that there is no problem with this corporate trend on internet
fact is : the proper authorities around the world that combat internet crimes have declared it from the start : the only way to try and protect people or people you care about is to not divulge information on the internet, a corporation giving out names is exactly the opposite of the right way to go about things
just to finish, i ignore trolls after responding once, like most people should, trolls are a small price to pay for having the privilege to freely address people on forums, nothing warrants the real id concepts
as for e sports... forums are never going to help promote them
only money will promote them, enough passionnate spending of money by people who are invested in th game and spend their money ... did i mention money yet...aaa yes that's the only reason for promoting the real id concept
please don't take my post the wrong way and check out the former post on the subject... it's pretty revealing if you are really interested in the subject and genuinly want "us silly people to explain why they feel this is a dangerous trend"
we are not loosing our time defending anonymity on internet, you are wasting space in this thread by arguing that YOU don't care if people know who you are
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It's always about the money. Always. Always. Always. Always about the money.
From what I hear, most Blizzard employees agree with us that this is stupid. They have to stomach it though because the bigwigs want a bigger paycheck and they'd get fired if they opposed their superiors.
"Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net"
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