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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On July 10 2010 00:19 D-Lite wrote: that has been your only reason through-out though, even though you keep saying harassment your not saying what negative connotations it could bring You seriously want to me to list the negative connotation of harassment? Harassment is not inherently bad? | ||
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wolveriiiine
Belgium12 Posts
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more. But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess. And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On July 09 2010 23:48 D-Lite wrote: has anyone thought of the players such as Greg "idra" Fields Sean "Day[9]" Plott Hayden "haypro" Hussein i could go on but i wont these people's names are common knowledge amongst the sc community, a quick google will even bring up some of day9's OLD photo's why arent these the people who are up in arms over real ID telling the world of what potention threats it causes. IdrA has to be one of the most disliked players in starcraft, yet i dont see anyone baying for his blood, or tracking him down to the CJentus house. i think this is just all blown out of proportion and people are beginning to take it way to far. meh could just be me though, for all i know thousands of people could have been aprehended on their way to korea with a butter knife in hand Video games have a way of bringing out extreme emotions from people. I've known a girl who was stalked by someone she came across online. Just recently (actually the very day I heard about this), a person running a clan I know began to receive random and endless text messages on his cellphone through GMail. Apparently someone who had a problem with him in-game got their hands on his name and phone number. If these were incidents, where law enforcement could easily intervene, it'd probably be less of an issue, but it becomes much more difficult to deal with harassment coming from overseas sources as in the case of this clan leader. It's not like these people need to hop on a plane to come and bother you. With the right information, they could make your life hell from the other side of the world. Of course when you happen to run across people in the same area, this only compounds the potential problems since real life stalking and harassment are certainly possible. The girl I know lived in NYC (she's since moved due to this) and this guy would show up at her school, workplace, etc. Eventually it was discovered that he was following her and taking pictures of her. Maybe if you live somewhere out in the sticks where you're the only person who plays this game, this kind of thing wouldn't be so much of a problem. But for people living in big cities where it's very possible that others playing the game will reside near you, it's definitely an issue that could concern them. This is just not a good idea and the few pros that exist (mitigating trolling) certainly do not outweigh the almost endless amount of cons that are there. Of course, the simple solution in this case is to not post on the forum just like the simple solution when someone starts texting you non-stop is to change your phone number, but should ever be forced to suffer the inconvenience of having to change your phone number in the first place? And if this is, indeed, a first step toward further social networking integration, how long will it be until that real name becomes a regular part of our in-game profile? Is it Blizzard's responsibility to give people our name in our stead to facilitate the creation of long-lasting and "meaningful" relationships? Do they seriously believe we're so stupid that we can't decide for ourselves who we want to give our names to? If I want someone to have my real name, I'll give it to them. If I'm not telling someone my real name, there's a damned good reason for it. Following Blizzard's logic, we should all walk around in the real world wearing "HELLO, MY NAME IS ___________" name tags. That would obviously stop people from being dicks to each other and help create lasting friendships without causing any problems at all... -_- And yes, if you try hard enough, you can often find out someone's personal information online such as their name, but just because it's possible with enough effort doesn't mean Blizzard should be making it any easier. The solution to trolling on a forum should be strict moderation, not releasing peoples' personal information. Also, even if there are trolls on a forum, why would you take this route when you can simply choose to ignore them? | ||
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ta2
125 Posts
On July 10 2010 00:20 Myles wrote: Just ignore him, he's obviously trolling. He can't even be bothered to type properly.You seriously want to me to list the negative connotation of harassment? Harassment is not inherently bad? | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On July 09 2010 23:55 D-Lite wrote: provide references with your claims please, they are getting more exaggerated by the post You've seriously never heard stories of people hunting down and killing someone because of an internet argument? Do you live under a rock? | ||
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acidburn
United States13 Posts
2. use fake name 3. ?????? 4. stfu User was warned for this post | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On July 10 2010 00:36 acidburn wrote: 1. make new account 2. use fake name 3. ?????? 4. stfu And then when something goes wrong with your account or it is compromised, proceed to go out and pay $60 to buy a new copy of Starcraft 2 or World of Warcraft because Blizzard will not help you since you cannot provide ID to prove that you are the owner of the account thanks to the fake name you put. In the case of World of Warcraft or Diablo 3 (when it comes out), proceed to lose your characters and all of your items thanks to your stupidity. Hell, if I remember correctly, you can't even do this for World of Warcraft due to the billing issues... | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
I think every other MMO forum ive seen (eq2s and lotros) have had a single name that you post under. In wow you can post on any character including your level 1 alts or whatever. The system is set up at present to encourage trolling. Going from that system to real names, is such an extreme shift when there are obvious ways to stop trolling (single name, better moderation) that doesnt require real names. I don't think you can argue against that. There's no compelling reason to use this system, except that they have some hard on for social networking all of a sudden, which makes me think there is some end game to all this. They don't just randomly decide to go balls to the wall with all this social networking stuff unless they plan to profit from it in the future | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On July 10 2010 00:58 floor exercise wrote: Danger or not, Blizzard is implementing it to essentially curb trolling. Blizzard is implementing it to essentially curb posting. But hey why do you need forums when you dont listen to your community anyway... | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
On July 10 2010 00:38 JinMaikeul wrote: And then when something goes wrong with your account or it is compromised, proceed to go out and pay $60 to buy a new copy of Starcraft 2 or World of Warcraft because Blizzard will not help you since you cannot provide ID to prove that you are the owner of the account thanks to the fake name you put. In the case of World of Warcraft or Diablo 3 (when it comes out), proceed to lose your characters and all of your items thanks to your stupidity. Hell, if I remember correctly, you can't even do this for World of Warcraft due to the billing issues... This. You need CC information to play WoW (unless you're using prepaid but few people do and its more expensive) and you can't fake a name on a CC. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote: I completely agree with love.less in this debate. First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more. But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess. And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation. That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other. | ||
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SI2
Canada33 Posts
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Obsidian
United States350 Posts
It doesn't matter if you write the most elaborate, well researched, well sourced primers for the gaming world. IF, when your applying for a job in some company where the HR people have a stigma against gamers and find that your quite verbose on the subject. Let alone simply having your name out there for various other forms of targeting like consumer and even Fans who want to get a bit closer. The thing is, people DO get stalked, famous celebs get stalked all the time, and they are protected and have people that handle that sort of stuff. Some 14 year old girl who's posting out of curiosity in a thread on the blizzard forms somewhere becomes an instant potential target, and sexual predators have evolved with the media systems we employ. | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
"Within five minutes, users had got hold of his telephone number, home address, photographs of him and a ton of other information," said Mr Brand" HAHAHAHAHA!!!! | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On July 10 2010 01:38 Obsidian wrote: Even being 'respectable and good' isn't good enough. The only security in today's mass media world, is to not be known. It doesn't matter if you write the most elaborate, well researched, well sourced primers for the gaming world. IF, when your applying for a job in some company where the HR people have a stigma against gamers and find that your quite verbose on the subject. Let alone simply having your name out there for various other forms of targeting like consumer and even Fans who want to get a bit closer. The thing is, people DO get stalked, famous celebs get stalked all the time, and they are protected and have people that handle that sort of stuff. Some 14 year old girl who's posting out of curiosity in a thread on the blizzard forms somewhere becomes an instant potential target, and sexual predators have evolved with the media systems we employ. First, you can fail to get a job because of anything. This doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue your passion because you wouldn't be able to pay your bills. Have a little more self-respect than that and do the things you love to do and find a way to pay your bills. You can even fail to get a job because you're too private. They'll Google your name and do whatever kind of background check and calling references and interviewing they can, and if they don't find enough info, they won't be comfortable hiring you. Second, if gaming is ever going to get over its stigma, using real names is a very obvious change that must be made. If all sorts of traditionally respectable people were revealed for the gamers they are amongst their colleagues, friends and family, and via Facebook, then gaming can be just another pastime like it ought to be. So yeah, gaming might have a stigma that makes it look even worse, but it'll never improve if everyone who does it fights for anonymity. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On July 10 2010 01:38 Obsidian wrote: Some 14 year old girl who's posting out of curiosity in a thread on the blizzard forms somewhere becomes an instant potential target, and sexual predators have evolved with the media systems we employ. Can someone make a "Pedobear approves of REAL ID" picture yet? I feel we should have seen one by now. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5459 Posts
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1 Hello everyone, I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums. It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name. I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature. In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning. Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment | ||
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XFire
United States131 Posts
@ Poster above me: Gf Blizzard, lol. | ||
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