I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
Blizzard has hit the first page on most web media, and not only game related media. Guess they didn't think it would be such a big fuzz. Bellow is a more comprehensive list of websites that demonstrates what effect this controversial move has had so far:
Strategy Informer - Battle.net removes "veil of anonymity" on forums, real names used http://www.strategyinformer.com/interstitial.php? oldurl=http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/8551/battlenet-removes-veil-of-anonymity-on-forums-real-names-used
HuskyStarcraft - Blizzard Forums: First and Last Names [VIDEO]
MMO-Champion to add additional forum structure and bandwitdh to its own forums in case Blizzard actually goes through with it. http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
EDIT: I've given up on updating the thread of links, only reason I'll add new links if it is brings something new.
If the link simply just a general information that explains that Blizzard has made a change about the forum posting policy and nothing more then I won't add it. However if it brings up the changes from a perspective not yet already covered I might add it.
I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote: maybe this is just a way of getting free PR
Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud.
this is just a huge social experiment probably heavily pushed by Activision. What better way to test something of this magnitude out than on your 12+million subscribers through 1 game alone. I'm not sure how many play across every game by blizzard, but this is scary.
On July 09 2010 12:45 Baarn wrote: I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
On July 09 2010 12:45 Baarn wrote: I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
i dont think they will make it. not sc2 is there problem. WOW is it. The WOW player totaly dont want there real-ID online because many people think wow-player are total nerds and a boss how see the name with google in a wow-forum will not give him a job. People who want to google there lawyer and find:" darkelve DragonHunter " will searching for a new lawyer.
and dotn forget WOW is the moneymachine they get more from 1 month wow than they get from all copys of sc2...
the paper in the german news thinks facebook is the reason for all of this. with the facebook coop and the real names they can make bedder product placement.
On July 09 2010 12:45 Baarn wrote: I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
It'd be hard to explain why Blizzard didn't just apply the real-name change to only the Korean forums.
On July 09 2010 12:45 Baarn wrote: I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
It'd be hard to explain why Blizzard didn't just apply the real-name change to only the Korean forums.
It could have to do with the fact that BattleNet 2.0 is way more complex and that it's now integrated with the forums that it would cost more money and take time to make two different versions, one with nicknames and one with real names. Could be that they are trying to save money and time by just making one system for all regions instead of two different systems.
On July 09 2010 12:45 Baarn wrote: I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
It'd be hard to explain why Blizzard didn't just apply the real-name change to only the Korean forums.
lmao yes this is awesome. I was typing something but backspaced because anything I was going to say would probably be against forum guidelines.
It can't be said that only "hardcore gamers" or "trolls" are concerned about this and the only ones voicing their opinions.It seems anyone with a brain recognizes the serious implications if Blizzard goes ahead and sets this precedent.
lol, i really doubt this will put a dent in there plan tho, if they really want to have the real ID then they will impliment it, no matter how much every1 detests it
I feel kind of lols for saying this, since it's basically the only thing posted on the Blizz forums lately.
But wouldn't it be more clean to just update the OP in this thread (In which this info has been posted anyway I think) rather than making a new topic?
It seems like the 150 page thread is a better indication of people's thoughts already gives a much better place for discussion rather than opening up a new thread.
Despite the 123123123 other threads on the issue, I'm going to leave this one open because it is actually bringing something new to the table and would most likely get lost in the massive thread.
You know what I think, it's all a publicity stunt to get the world talking about starcraft 2 (with an upcoming release shortly) and WoW end of the year? Sounds like free advertisement if you ask me
It's funny, if this were something that only affected SC2, I doubt we could do anything about. But because all the WoW players are against it with us, we may have a fighting chance.
You know what I think, it's all a publicity stunt to get the world talking about starcraft 2 (with an upcoming release shortly) and WoW end of the year? Sounds like free advertisement if you ask me
on PR ist a disaster. they get publicity for wow and sc2 but only bad one. if you are a little company that nobody knows every PR is good. but if you are a huge one everyone knows bad PR can crush you.
You know what I think, it's all a publicity stunt to get the world talking about starcraft 2 (with an upcoming release shortly) and WoW end of the year? Sounds like free advertisement if you ask me
on PR ist a disaster. they get publicity for wow and sc2 but only bad one. if you are a little company that nobody knows every PR is good. but if you are a huge one everyone knows bad PR can crush you.
Something I learned from a business class I had. Bad publicity is better than no publicity.
You know what I think, it's all a publicity stunt to get the world talking about starcraft 2 (with an upcoming release shortly) and WoW end of the year? Sounds like free advertisement if you ask me
on PR ist a disaster. they get publicity for wow and sc2 but only bad one. if you are a little company that nobody knows every PR is good. but if you are a huge one everyone knows bad PR can crush you.
Something I learned from a business class I had. Bad publicity is better than no publicity.
I'm pretty sure that BP would prefer no publicity right now. I've got to side with skeldark here.
You know what I think, it's all a publicity stunt to get the world talking about starcraft 2 (with an upcoming release shortly) and WoW end of the year? Sounds like free advertisement if you ask me
on PR ist a disaster. they get publicity for wow and sc2 but only bad one. if you are a little company that nobody knows every PR is good. but if you are a huge one everyone knows bad PR can crush you.
Something I learned from a business class I had. Bad publicity is better than no publicity.
This could coincide with Blizzard trying to make sc2 more casual friendly, i.e. news reports and articles will get it known in the mainstream.
You know what I think, it's all a publicity stunt to get the world talking about starcraft 2 (with an upcoming release shortly) and WoW end of the year? Sounds like free advertisement if you ask me
on PR ist a disaster. they get publicity for wow and sc2 but only bad one. if you are a little company that nobody knows every PR is good. but if you are a huge one everyone knows bad PR can crush you.
Something I learned from a business class I had. Bad publicity is better than no publicity.
I'm pretty sure that BP would prefer no publicity right now. I've got to side with skeldark here.
Can't really compare BP to this, BP oil spill is a world disaster, that could fuck us over in the long run if nothing happens. That's like saying the people at BP did the oil spill on purpose.
On July 09 2010 14:48 skeldark wrote: oO like i said the "bad pr is bedder than no pr" means company with NO PR blizzard have pr.
so perhaps BP crashed it. Because they are so happy with the PR they get now
Or Toyota with their failed engineering ... Most people sadly dont care about such things as RealID. I can't wait for the day when all the Battle.net friends will be your Facebook friends etc =). Imagine the marketing options and all the new means/exploits to earn money.
On July 09 2010 12:45 Baarn wrote: I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
man, alot of Koreans have same names, so posting your real name in there is not so important as in european/american countries. But privacy is still being abused, even if it makes you accept some terms and conditions to post. Anyways, you can always stop posting on there and join forums like this one. Thank you TEAMLIQUID for existing!! -i was mad when you admin tempbanned me but you are goodfellas
You know what I think, it's all a publicity stunt to get the world talking about starcraft 2 (with an upcoming release shortly) and WoW end of the year? Sounds like free advertisement if you ask me
on PR ist a disaster. they get publicity for wow and sc2 but only bad one. if you are a little company that nobody knows every PR is good. but if you are a huge one everyone knows bad PR can crush you.
Something I learned from a business class I had. Bad publicity is better than no publicity.
I'm pretty sure that BP would prefer no publicity right now. I've got to side with skeldark here.
Can't really compare BP to this, BP oil spill is a world disaster, that could fuck us over in the long run if nothing happens. That's like saying the people at BP did the oil spill on purpose.
Check out what you said once again. It is an absolute statement that simply is not true, which is proven by the BP example. And I would assume that Blizzard won't profit from this bad PR either.
The only thing that can actually crush Blizzard is if people stop playing WoW and don't buy SC2 and D3. It's probably just the huge social experiment people are commenting around. So, they have a huge community, turning it into a facebook-like community is profitable and if it doesn't become that facebooky, could even be good for us in the long-run. So they're trying for that. Might be Activision whoring out on it as well. Bnet 2.0 is quite Activisionish.
On July 09 2010 12:45 Baarn wrote: I'm leaning towards the harvard blog as the real reasoning behind this change. Since S Korea is such a huge part of the Starcraft scene it would be impossible and quite fatal to tellS Koreans that they can no longer take part in using forums.
It'd be hard to explain why Blizzard didn't just apply the real-name change to only the Korean forums.
No the reasoning here to combat trolling and the CM's having to facepalm 80% of their day or more reading trash flame posts back and forth is just a bonus to having to conform to Korean and even Chinese law (you know the big new market Blizzard would like to get more people interested in their product and services they offer.)
This was going to be a new topic but we've got enough as is.
RealID: The Ladies Weigh In
The RealID issue really affects the World of Warcraft community more than the Starcraft community, since first, everybody worth a damn posts on teamliquid anyway, and second, WoW players are generally far more invested in their accounts and characters than Starcraft players - in particular, little permanent identity exists for a Starcraft player, accounts can be made and thrown away willy-nilly, and none of the RP aspect exists.
Anyway, while surfing the internet to catalog the the chaos raging across the internet, I found the wow_ladies livejournal community (exactly what it sounds like,) which has a lively discussion, mostly devoid of the anonymous one-liner simple rage found in a lot of threads, detailing some of their personal stories and why they oppose RealID, many of which have canceled their accounts on principle.
Some interesting discussion in the comments of this thread over on Reddit.
I'm not sure how widely this is known, but it seems like Blizzard hates this change as much as we do. Their mouths are sealed, any employee who comments on it (much less criticizes it) is at risk of losing their job. It seems like our suspicions of Activision being fully in control of BNet 2.0 are absolutely undoubtable at this point. "The merger will not affect Blizzard's independence as a developer" my ass. The implications that this has for Starcraft as a community and an esport, and for gaming in general, are horrifying.
It's so sad to see a once great company like Blizzard fall to the monstrous profit machine Activision... If the investors want the names of millions of gamers posted publicly, it will happen. If the marketing execs want to turn Battle.net into a walled-off advertising farm, it will happen. If Bobby Kotick wants all future Activision-Blizzard titles to be subscription based with mandatory for-pay DLC, it will happen.
It's so sad to see a once great company like Blizzard fall to the monstrous profit machine Activision... If the investors want the names of millions of gamers posted publicly, it will happen. If the marketing execs want to turn Battle.net into a walled-off advertising farm, it will happen. If Bobby Kotick wants all future Activision-Blizzard titles to be subscription based with mandatory for-pay DLC, it will happen.
i agree, and thats why i canceled order of my copy of sc2...i know it doesn't mean shit in larger scale of things but there is no way i'm supporting this...good thing is that the battle.net fiasco made space for new good RTS to emerge so i will just keep looking for it
Sure you can "pretend to be a kid" and activate parental controls, but that doesnt deal with the issue. The real issue is Blizzard pretending that trolls and harrassment are rampant on their forums and that they need us to use our real names to post there to prevent such things from happening. As the parental controls and easily created fake IDs allow you to still post anonymous, it becomes clear that their whole explanation is actually a lie. The integration of Facebook and this push for real-ID only has one goal: selling our data and sending more spam ads our way. Why not add our battlenet email address to our real name and save the spammers some time?
Seriously there is only one thing that might make Blizzard turn back and that is high profile people / communities issuing a joint statement that they wont support the company if it continues down this path of nonexistent privacy. What would happen to Starcraft 2 if Day[9], Artosis, TL, HD Starcraft, Husky, major tournament sponsors and whoever else is spreading the Starcraft 2 vibe around the world, would actually say "We wont broadcast anything until real-ID is gone" and advise their fans to "not buy the game until your privacy is ensured"?
On July 09 2010 17:37 Rabiator wrote: Sure you can "pretend to be a kid" and activate parental controls, but that doesnt deal with the issue. The real issue is Blizzard pretending that trolls and harrassment are rampant on their forums and that they need us to use our real names to post there to prevent such things from happening. As the parental controls and easily created fake IDs allow you to still post anonymous, it becomes clear that their whole explanation is actually a lie. The integration of Facebook and this push for real-ID only has one goal: selling our data and sending more spam ads our way. Why not add our battlenet email address to our real name and save the spammers some time?
Seriously there is only one thing that might make Blizzard turn back and that is high profile people / communities issuing a joint statement that they wont support the company if it continues down this path of nonexistent privacy. What would happen to Starcraft 2 if Day[9], Artosis, TL, HD Starcraft, Husky, major tournament sponsors and whoever else is spreading the Starcraft 2 vibe around the world, would actually say "We wont broadcast anything until real-ID is gone" and advise their fans to "not buy the game until your privacy is ensured"?
And there will be still enough people to buy it :> but I do get your point.
The problem is that the RealID is already implented in WoW you can get everyones name due to a bug in the system. Even if you did not activate it. I personally doubt theyll get rid of that system no matter what you do since its their long term plan to intergrate/convert battle.net in to a social-network-platform :o. This just the beginning what comes next ?. Na I lost all my trust in Activision-Blizzard. I doubt I will buy the next Blizzard game but Millions will. Since the younger generation does not know better and are spoiled with the Console/DLC/Facebook crap
I've given up on updating the thread of links, only reason I'll add new links if it is brings something new.
If the link simply just a general information that explains that Blizzard has made a change about the forum posting policy and nothing more then I won't add it. However if it brings up the changes from a perspective not yet already covered I might add it.
Man I wish blizzard could just leave activision. I guess thats not possible though right?
no they can't...what i would love to see though is if most of the developers and game designers left blizzard and started new company and made some new awesome games...but thats not gonna happen for obvious reasons
On July 09 2010 15:11 MindRush wrote: i would say that terran stalkers got a HUGE BUFF with Blizzard's recent realid patch
I have to admit, I laughed...
I think the Real ID thing is a poor idea, in the sense that people have a lot of personal info about them revealed.
On the Facebook topic, I think it is a very good idea for exposing E-Sports and SC2 as a whole to people who might otherwise not have heard about them.
On a side note: You can simply use a fake name to get around the Real ID thing. And for Facebook, as someone posted before, simply change your privacy settings on Facebook, or as I pointed out, just use an email not associated with Facebook in the first place.
On July 09 2010 15:11 MindRush wrote: i would say that terran stalkers got a HUGE BUFF with Blizzard's recent realid patch
I have to admit, I laughed...
I think the Real ID thing is a poor idea, in the sense that people have a lot of personal info about them revealed.
On the Facebook topic, I think it is a very good idea for exposing E-Sports and SC2 as a whole to people who might otherwise not have heard about them.
On a side note: You can simply use a fake name to get around the Real ID thing. And for Facebook, as someone posted before, simply change your privacy settings on Facebook, or as I pointed out, just use an email not associated with Facebook in the first place.
You can stay hidden and anonymous rather easily.
Or you could just not use their forums...
Plus I do believe for some things, you need proof of ID that you own the account, as far as customer support goes. Like if your account gets hacked. So I wouldn't recommend that.
On July 09 2010 17:37 Rabiator wrote: Sure you can "pretend to be a kid" and activate parental controls, but that doesnt deal with the issue. The real issue is Blizzard pretending that trolls and harrassment are rampant on their forums and that they need us to use our real names to post there to prevent such things from happening. As the parental controls and easily created fake IDs allow you to still post anonymous, it becomes clear that their whole explanation is actually a lie. The integration of Facebook and this push for real-ID only has one goal: selling our data and sending more spam ads our way. Why not add our battlenet email address to our real name and save the spammers some time?
Seriously there is only one thing that might make Blizzard turn back and that is high profile people / communities issuing a joint statement that they wont support the company if it continues down this path of nonexistent privacy. What would happen to Starcraft 2 if Day[9], Artosis, TL, HD Starcraft, Husky, major tournament sponsors and whoever else is spreading the Starcraft 2 vibe around the world, would actually say "We wont broadcast anything until real-ID is gone" and advise their fans to "not buy the game until your privacy is ensured"?
And there will be still enough people to buy it :> but I do get your point.
The problem is that the RealID is already implented in WoW you can get everyones name due to a bug in the system. Even if you did not activate it. I personally doubt theyll get rid of that system no matter what you do since its their long term plan to intergrate/convert battle.net in to a social-network-platform :o. This just the beginning what comes next ?. Na I lost all my trust in Activision-Blizzard. I doubt I will buy the next Blizzard game but Millions will. Since the younger generation does not know better and are spoiled with the Console/DLC/Facebook crap
As I always say: You can sell the most useless dirt if the advertisement is good. We should enjoy being the last generation that is partially free of the Matrix ...
On July 09 2010 17:37 Rabiator wrote: Sure you can "pretend to be a kid" and activate parental controls, but that doesnt deal with the issue. The real issue is Blizzard pretending that trolls and harrassment are rampant on their forums and that they need us to use our real names to post there to prevent such things from happening. As the parental controls and easily created fake IDs allow you to still post anonymous, it becomes clear that their whole explanation is actually a lie. The integration of Facebook and this push for real-ID only has one goal: selling our data and sending more spam ads our way. Why not add our battlenet email address to our real name and save the spammers some time?
Seriously there is only one thing that might make Blizzard turn back and that is high profile people / communities issuing a joint statement that they wont support the company if it continues down this path of nonexistent privacy. What would happen to Starcraft 2 if Day[9], Artosis, TL, HD Starcraft, Husky, major tournament sponsors and whoever else is spreading the Starcraft 2 vibe around the world, would actually say "We wont broadcast anything until real-ID is gone" and advise their fans to "not buy the game until your privacy is ensured"?
And there will be still enough people to buy it :> but I do get your point.
The problem is that the RealID is already implented in WoW you can get everyones name due to a bug in the system. Even if you did not activate it. I personally doubt theyll get rid of that system no matter what you do since its their long term plan to intergrate/convert battle.net in to a social-network-platform :o. This just the beginning what comes next ?. Na I lost all my trust in Activision-Blizzard. I doubt I will buy the next Blizzard game but Millions will. Since the younger generation does not know better and are spoiled with the Console/DLC/Facebook crap
The bug is actually self owned and mod creators fault. Like the gearscore beta that got removed because people were giving out their own real id with how it bounced off the client. It's not through the chat interface. It does create a valid concern through the api but you'd have to dupe people into not realizing or being aware of it.
On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote: maybe this is just a way of getting free PR
Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud.
On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote: maybe this is just a way of getting free PR
Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud.
Any publicity is good publicity
is that sarcasm? if it's not that is incredibly false and stupid
On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote: maybe this is just a way of getting free PR
Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud.
Any publicity is good publicity
is that sarcasm? if it's not that is incredibly false and stupid
i don't know many americans who can name more than 5 countries in europe, but i do know that they all know germany is in europe... publicity is publicity in cases where you're too big to be killed off by 'bad publicity'... i'm pretty sure sc2 is too big to be killed by 'bad publicity'
On July 09 2010 15:11 MindRush wrote: i would say that terran stalkers got a HUGE BUFF with Blizzard's recent realid patch
I have to admit, I laughed...
I think the Real ID thing is a poor idea, in the sense that people have a lot of personal info about them revealed.
On the Facebook topic, I think it is a very good idea for exposing E-Sports and SC2 as a whole to people who might otherwise not have heard about them.
On a side note: You can simply use a fake name to get around the Real ID thing. And for Facebook, as someone posted before, simply change your privacy settings on Facebook, or as I pointed out, just use an email not associated with Facebook in the first place.
You can stay hidden and anonymous rather easily.
Or you could just not use their forums...
Plus I do believe for some things, you need proof of ID that you own the account, as far as customer support goes. Like if your account gets hacked. So I wouldn't recommend that.
I was just giving people who still want to use the forums some ideas.
And yeah, you are right, from a customer service standpoint it is a poor idea. I never thought of that to be honest, thanks : )
On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote: maybe this is just a way of getting free PR
Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud.
Any publicity is good publicity
is that sarcasm? if it's not that is incredibly false and stupid
# of people boycotting sc2 and quitting wow over this > people seeing this somewhere, giving it a thought. Really? I'd think the numbers of relapsing wow players getting trapped again at the first mention of wow would overwhelm the .1% of players who actually keep their boycotting word.
It's basically (almost free) advertisement albeit not very good one perhaps but still better than nothing. It's not like anyone other than current, rather dedicated, players are raging over this right now. The rest of the world doesn't care and/or doesn't even play so them hearing about WoW controversy just sparks interest if anything.
It's not like activision openly bumsexing their customers (dedicated ones the hardest) in regards to the call of duty series* has done anything to hurt their sales, it just goes up up up. Even if half the articles written on them are slanting some bad features and the fact that they straight out killed any possibilty for competetive play.
Back when the teaser video for Starcraft 2 came out, I was all excitement. Now, the game seems pretty awesome, but there seems to be so many shenanigains surrounding it...
I, for one, am definitely not gonna be posting on the blizzard forums. Maybe the whole thing is designed to give their forum mods less work.
Given the popularity of SC franchise in South Korea, Blizzard will ditch anyone before they do Koreans. GG for the rest of the world heh.
That would sound feasible if the Koreans actually used the US/EU forums, but they have their own forums in their language, I'm sure its possible to use real-ID only for them and leave the west with the current system.
On July 09 2010 12:39 Integra wrote: MMO-Champion to add additional forum structure and bandwitdh to its own forums in case Blizzard actually goes through with it. http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
Entirely expected, although the MMO-C forums became complete shit in Wrath along with anything else WoW related.
What surprises me is that there's still people who support, look forward to, or otherwise ignore the issues that this change is going to make. This is a big fucking deal, and needing to have a debate with the people that are somehow for it is a giant distraction from what we should be doing.
Does nobody see the potential realID actually has to help "esports" be taken more seriously? i cant believe nobody has even touched upon it to be honest, in a world where progamers are still widely seen as a nerdy kids with a funny looking alias, realID definitely has the potential to help esports in some ways i believe. Also while i can understand people who like their privacy this change is no different really to yoru name being in a phone book, and before you say you can opt out of a phonebook or whatever, you havent so.. dont say it? my 2.0 cents
On July 09 2010 23:15 love.less wrote: Does nobody see the potential realID actually has to help "esports" be taken more seriously? i cant believe nobody has even touched upon it to be honest, in a world where progamers are still widely seen as a nerdy kids with a funny looking alias, realID definitely has the potential to help esports in some ways i believe. Also while i can understand people who like their privacy this change is no different really to yoru name being in a phone book, and before you say you can opt out of a phonebook or whatever, you havent so.. dont say it? my 2.0 cents
There difference between being listed in a phone book and on the internet is substantial. The phone book doesn't record everything you say/write and archive it for the world to see. Now, the most likely thing is don't be a jackass on the internet - that goes for life in general, but you still see them all the time.
I also don't see how giving someones real name is going to change the stereotype about gamers. Because you know a gamers real name you're all of a sudden not going to think he's a nerd? NEWSFLASH people get made fun of all the time for being nerds in real life, despite knowing their real name. Bullies will be bullies, trolls with be trolls, and these things existed before the internet. Putting peoples real names out doesn't change this.
see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him. this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
On July 09 2010 23:28 D-Lite wrote: see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him. this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
Compelling argument friend, I can see how a celebrity being in the public spotlight is identical to regular working folks names being displayed on public video game message boards.
I also agree about your nephew, no one has raped any small children I know, so that's all the evidence I need to know sexual predators are a myth, like unicorns.
Makes you wonder if they did it all as a publicity stunt.
"Hahah, just kidding, guys! We'll just make unique identifiers so we don't sacrifice people's personal security to clean up a silly video game forum. Man, we really had you goin'!"
On July 09 2010 23:28 D-Lite wrote: see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him. this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
Compelling argument friend, I can see how a celebrity being in the public spotlight is identical to regular working folks names being displayed on public video game message boards.
I also agree about your nephew, no one has raped any small children I know, so that's all the evidence I need to know sexual predators are a myth, like unicorns.
Yea that dateline show doesn't exist and people are never harassed over the internet.
i didnt really say it would change anything i said it has the potential to give esports a little more credibility and for something that is at the moment, bluntly put, looked on as something fadish or maybe even childish? i aint to good with wording my thoughts.. anyway it could help it might not make a difference hell with all these bad reactions to the change it could defo hinder but you know hopers gotta hope
On July 09 2010 23:28 D-Lite wrote: see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him. this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
Compelling argument friend, I can see how a celebrity being in the public spotlight is identical to regular working folks names being displayed on public video game message boards.
I also agree about your nephew, no one has raped any small children I know, so that's all the evidence I need to know sexual predators are a myth, like unicorns.
Inc b4 "If they're determined, they'll get him anyway"
On July 09 2010 23:28 D-Lite wrote: see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him. this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
Compelling argument friend, I can see how a celebrity being in the public spotlight is identical to regular working folks names being displayed on public video game message boards.
I also agree about your nephew, no one has raped any small children I know, so that's all the evidence I need to know sexual predators are a myth, like unicorns.
unless you've been living under a rock for the last 5 years, chances are your real name is already out there for anyone to see anyway, perfect example 192.com gives house prices, residents, and how much other houses in your street sold for (based on the UK electoral register)
this is a site anyone can access for a small fee (it used to be free) so once again your arguement is invalid.
if anyone can actually explain how having your realID is a negative connotation on your impeccable internet reputation im all ears
"What can you do on 192.com?
192.com tells you more about people, businesses & places in the UK than any other directory. More than just directory enquiries, 192.com lists full names, addresses, age guides, property prices, aerial photos, company & director reports, family records, & much more! "
some info about the site cleared up the address in the edit, by the way im in no way promoting this site
Outside Korea, games are seen as what kids do. Simple as that. Gaming is becoming more mainstream as gamers move on from childhood to adulthood, but since the majority of society is still 50 something baby boomers(in the US at least) games will not become mainstream until most of them are gone. RealID isn't going to change that one bit.
im glad you cleared that up myles thanks, but one question why wont it help "one bit"? and also does this mean you have no expectations of esports becoming any bigger with sc2, at least in our lifetime seing as the 50 something baby boomers probably have 50 something years left?
On July 09 2010 23:28 D-Lite wrote: see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him. this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
Compelling argument friend, I can see how a celebrity being in the public spotlight is identical to regular working folks names being displayed on public video game message boards.
I also agree about your nephew, no one has raped any small children I know, so that's all the evidence I need to know sexual predators are a myth, like unicorns.
unless you've been living under a rock for the last 5 years, chances are your real name is already out there for anyone to see anyway, perfect example 192.co.uk gives house prices, residents, and how much other houses in your street sold for (based on the UK electoral register)
this is a site anyone can access for a small fee (it used to be free) so once again your arguement is invalid.
if anyone can actually explain how having your realID is a negative connotation on your impeccable internet reputation im all ears
You'd have to know my name to look me up. If I don't give you my name it'd be damn near impossible to find anything about me.
Without real name - very diffucult to find someone. With real name - very easy.
On July 09 2010 23:42 love.less wrote: im glad you cleared that up myles thanks, but one question why wont it help "one bit"? and also does this mean you have no expectations of esports becoming any bigger with sc2, at least in our lifetime seing as the 50 something baby boomers probably have 50 something years left?
The Esport scene is certainly getting bigger outside Korea, but it won't become like baseball or football in America for a long time, if ever.
And I don't see how realID possibly could help. Like I said before, some 50 year old is going to think better of a gamer because he used his real name instead of an alias? I doubt it.
edit: Baby boomer is term for the generation in US the born in the 10-15 years after WW2. All the service men came home lonely and horny and created the largest generation in America. They pretty much hold the greatest amount of influence in general American society.
You'd have to know my name to look me up. If I don't give you my name it'd be damn near impossible to find anything about me.
Without real name - very diffucult to find someone. With real name - very easy.
tbh i dont think anybody would want to look you up even if they did have your real name or me for that matter but i can see the problem with realID using real names for people know in the community, popular guys who dont want their personal info to be public knowledge the likes of sean day9 plott and greg idra fields. oh wait what?
Greg "idra" Fields Sean "Day[9]" Plott Hayden "haypro" Hussein i could go on but i wont
these people's names are common knowledge amongst the sc community, a quick google will even bring up some of day9's OLD photo's why arent these the people who are up in arms over real ID telling the world of what potention threats it causes.
IdrA has to be one of the most disliked players in starcraft, yet i dont see anyone baying for his blood, or tracking him down to the CJentus house.
i think this is just all blown out of proportion and people are beginning to take it way to far.
meh could just be me though, for all i know thousands of people could have been aprehended on their way to korea with a butter knife in hand
You'd have to know my name to look me up. If I don't give you my name it'd be damn near impossible to find anything about me.
Without real name - very diffucult to find someone. With real name - very easy.
tbh i dont think anybody would want to look you up even if they did have your real name or me for that matter but i can see the problem with realID using real names for people know in the community, popular guys who dont want their personal info to be public knowledge the likes of sean day9 plott and greg idra fields. oh wait what?
Most likely someone wouldn't want to look me up. However, in the rare chance some random kid on the internet doesn't like what I say, I'd rather not give them the information to find me and harass me.
I still think this is best analogy I've seen for the issue.
Not giving your name out online is locking your doors. It's highly unlikely that you'll be burglarized, and they could get in anyways if they really wanted, but you lock your door anyways make things harder for them.
Got in touch with my ex-flatmate, whose sister works as a GM for Blizzard, to see what the internal buzz on this was. Apparently, at the moment the employees are largely as pissed as the players, and she stated that despite attempts to keep it hushed, it has become known that the big creative players within Blizzard are pretty much as unhappy about this as we are. Everybody has been told they are not free to comment on this situation outside of specially prepared statements.
It’s still going ahead, however (and here’s where in-house rumours and hearsay really start coming into play): from what they’ve picked up, the Blizzard leads have been told in no uncertain terms that the non-gameplay-related direction of the game is working to a different blueprint now. GC and company are free to play with shiny new talent trees all they like, for example, but for the first time the decisions regarding Battle.net implementation, Real ID, and plans for the general acquisition of new players for the business are no longer in Blizzard’s own hands, and that’s not going down too well.
Perhaps whoever posted this is full of shit but it is interesting either way.
the chances of somebody actually coming and harrasing you over a post they dont agree with cant be very big, when you take into account that such things are A:against the law B: very time consuming C: possibly expensive? and a whole lot of other letters followed by reasons
You'd have to know my name to look me up. If I don't give you my name it'd be damn near impossible to find anything about me.
Without real name - very diffucult to find someone. With real name - very easy.
tbh i dont think anybody would want to look you up even if they did have your real name or me for that matter but i can see the problem with realID using real names for people know in the community, popular guys who dont want their personal info to be public knowledge the likes of sean day9 plott and greg idra fields. oh wait what?
Most likely someone wouldn't want to look me up. However, in the rare chance some random kid on the internet doesn't like what I say, I'd rather not give them the information to find me and harass me.
your still not explaining why its a bad thing to have your real name on the internet myles. obviously were of mixed opinions because i couldnt care less about my real name being posted and you feel very strongly against it, yet you still havent provided any reasons why.
what is a random kid gonna do with your real name if he does take offence to what you have said on the internet, which actually reaffirms my point i made earlier "the only people who will care about realID are people who like to flame"
even if my entire address was posted every time someone looked at my profile i couldnt care less, what is someone gonna do with it anyway? send a letter bomb to my house, dont think so.
On July 09 2010 23:52 love.less wrote: the chances of somebody actually coming and harrasing you over a post they dont agree with cant be very big, when you take into account that such things are A:against the law B: very time consuming C:possible expensive? and a whole lot of other letters followed by reasons
I said it would be very rare, but with all the people on the internet I know it will happen to someone. People have killed others over internet game bullshit. You're extremely naive if you think this won't happen to a small minority.
On July 09 2010 23:52 love.less wrote: the chances of somebody actually coming and harrasing you over a post they dont agree with cant be very big, when you take into account that such things are A:against the law B: very time consuming C:possible expensive? and a whole lot of other letters followed by reasons
I said it would be very rare, but with all the people on the internet I know it will happen to someone. People have killed others over internet game bullshit. You're extremely naive if you think this won't happen to a small minority.
provide references with your claims please, they are getting more exaggerated by the post
i personally dont care about RealID cuz i dont post on that shitty forum of theirs. i just love to see when people unite against stomething thats obviously wrong...
that topic having 2500(!?!) pages is epic
i hate activision and what they have done to IW and CoD, i really hope that wont happen to Blizz
On July 09 2010 12:39 Integra wrote: Blizzard has hit the first page on most web media, and not only game related media. Guess they didn't think it would be such a big fuzz. Bellow is a more comprehensive list of websites that demonstrates what effect this controversial move has had so far:
Strategy Informer - Battle.net removes "veil of anonymity" on forums, real names used http://www.strategyinformer.com/interstitial.php? oldurl=http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/8551/battlenet-removes-veil-of-anonymity-on-forums-real-names-used
MMO-Champion to add additional forum structure and bandwitdh to its own forums in case Blizzard actually goes through with it. http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
EDIT: I've given up on updating the thread of links, only reason I'll add new links if it is brings something new.
If the link simply just a general information that explains that Blizzard has made a change about the forum posting policy and nothing more then I won't add it. However if it brings up the changes from a perspective not yet already covered I might add it.
ZLOL dude, I made this collection of links in the first place, don't try to grow your e-peen by taking credit for it.
On July 09 2010 23:52 love.less wrote: the chances of somebody actually coming and harrasing you over a post they dont agree with cant be very big, when you take into account that such things are A:against the law B: very time consuming C:possible expensive? and a whole lot of other letters followed by reasons
I said it would be very rare, but with all the people on the internet I know it will happen to someone. People have killed others over internet game bullshit. You're extremely naive if you think this won't happen to a small minority.
provide references with your claims please, they are getting more exaggerated by the post
haha you really didnt hear about those murders cuz of video games. it happened - if you really want i can dig it up, but you can find it your self, just google. its true
You'd have to know my name to look me up. If I don't give you my name it'd be damn near impossible to find anything about me.
Without real name - very diffucult to find someone. With real name - very easy.
tbh i dont think anybody would want to look you up even if they did have your real name or me for that matter but i can see the problem with realID using real names for people know in the community, popular guys who dont want their personal info to be public knowledge the likes of sean day9 plott and greg idra fields. oh wait what?
Most likely someone wouldn't want to look me up. However, in the rare chance some random kid on the internet doesn't like what I say, I'd rather not give them the information to find me and harass me.
your still not explaining why its a bad thing to have your real name on the internet myles. obviously were of mixed opinions because i couldnt care less about my real name being posted and you feel very strongly against it, yet you still havent provided any reasons why.
what is a random kid gonna do with your real name if he does take offence to what you have said on the internet, which actually reaffirms my point i made earlier "the only people who will care about realID are people who like to flame"
even if my entire address was posted every time someone looked at my profile i couldnt care less, what is someone gonna do with it anyway? send a letter bomb to my house, dont think so.
You seem to be under the assumption that a very small probability is equal to zero. There are crazy people on the internet and I have no desire to give them a direct link to my personal information.
I think I've been very clear that having someones real name makes it incredibility easy to find out much of their personal information. Your claim that it's unlikely is not a valid discount. It shouldn't be possible at all from posting on a forum unless you're an idiot and you give away your own information. The fact that it makes it possible to harass people in real life is enough reason not to use it.
I said it would be very rare, but with all the people on the internet I know it will happen to someone. People have killed others over internet game bullshit. You're extremely naive if you think this won't happen to a small minority.
the same could happen in everyday life if you pissed somebody off or eyed up somebodys girl or hey even if there was a simple misunderstanding does that mean your never going to state your opinion in a public place or look at that hottie standing at the bar next time your out?=]=]
I'm gonna have an imaginary roommate very soon ... create a gmail, facebook account and log all that into blizzard with the CD key I'll receive on the real game.
Note that unless you preordered from blizzard they don't have the link between name and CD key until you log it in ...
On July 09 2010 23:48 D-Lite wrote: has anyone thought of the players such as
Greg "idra" Fields Sean "Day[9]" Plott Hayden "haypro" Hussein i could go on but i wont
these people's names are common knowledge amongst the sc community, a quick google will even bring up some of day9's OLD photo's why arent these the people who are up in arms over real ID telling the world of what potention threats it causes.
IdrA has to be one of the most disliked players in starcraft, yet i dont see anyone baying for his blood, or tracking him down to the CJentus house.
i think this is just all blown out of proportion and people are beginning to take it way to far.
meh could just be me though, for all i know thousands of people could have been aprehended on their way to korea with a butter knife in hand
Maybe they won't have a problem getting a job AS A PRO GAMER if Googling them shows hundreds of SC2 posts. Maybe someone trying to get a NORMAL job would be thrown out the window if they're seen to play WoW all the time. Maybe because none of these are female and wouldn't get harassed by teenage nerds?
I said it would be very rare, but with all the people on the internet I know it will happen to someone. People have killed others over internet game bullshit. You're extremely naive if you think this won't happen to a small minority.
the same could happen in everyday life if you pissed somebody off or eyed up somebodys girl or hey even if there was a simple misunderstanding does that mean your never going to state your opinion in a public place or look at that hottie standing at the bar next time your out?=]=]
I don't get into debates with people I don't know, especially discussions which the other person is clearly very adamant about. You never know how they're going to react.
Also, there are much fewer people in those situations so the chance of a 1 in a million crazy being there and taking action is very small. With the internet, millions and millions of people can read your every word, meaning even with a 1 in a million crazy chance, there will still be a few there.
On July 09 2010 23:48 D-Lite wrote: has anyone thought of the players such as
Greg "idra" Fields Sean "Day[9]" Plott Hayden "haypro" Hussein i could go on but i wont
these people's names are common knowledge amongst the sc community, a quick google will even bring up some of day9's OLD photo's why arent these the people who are up in arms over real ID telling the world of what potention threats it causes.
IdrA has to be one of the most disliked players in starcraft, yet i dont see anyone baying for his blood, or tracking him down to the CJentus house.
i think this is just all blown out of proportion and people are beginning to take it way to far.
meh could just be me though, for all i know thousands of people could have been aprehended on their way to korea with a butter knife in hand
Maybe they won't have a problem getting a job AS A PRO GAMER if Googling them shows hundreds of SC2 posts. Maybe someone trying to get a NORMAL job would be thrown out the window if they're seen to play WoW all the time. Maybe because none of these are female and wouldn't get harassed by teenage nerds?
i didnt mention jobs, and if an employer didnt give you a job because you play online games thats grounds for discrimination, and then your likely to have a lovely tribunal on your hands, possibly resulting in a bigger pay off than a year working at said job you couldnt get would pay.
either way, the reasons for people are coming up with for not having your real name on the internet are getting more and more tedious.
i use my real name for a large ammount of my email address', does that make me a potential realID victim?
the only reason i could think have your real name online is detrimental is that if an incredibly determined ID fraudster+hacker, could gain more information about you than you wanted, which in most cases would be harder than going through somebodys rubbish bin for a bank letter/national insurance number
you dont have to get into debates they could overhear you say something to you somebody else and be a complete and total lunatic or something and yeah your in a debate with me atm and you dont know me >.<
heres a debate with somebody you dont know about you not debating with people you dont know
How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?
On July 10 2010 00:09 love.less wrote: you dont have to get into debates they could overhear you say something to you somebody else and be a complete and total lunatic or something and yeah your in a debate with me atm and you dont know me >.<
Yea they could, but like I said it's a million to one chance. With a few hundred people in any place at one time, that's around a .03% chance. When 5 million people read your post, 5 people will be crazy. The problem is exposure on the internet, not that real life doesn't still apply.
On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote: How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?
but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world.
to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0.
infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins
Luke Curran Liverpool United kingdom
add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly.
everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why
of course harrasment is a big deal im sure nobody has tried to deny that but this is opt in you dont have to post of the forum to enjoy the game, if you want to interact with other people outside of the game(forum) then you do, much as in every day situations, give up some personal information
On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote: How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?
but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world.
to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0.
infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins
Luke Curran Liverpool United kingdom
add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly.
everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why
Yes, but what about people with unique names? There's only a few hundred people in the US with my last name. I'm pretty sure there is no one else in the US(or the world for that matter) that has my full name. A google search takes you to a local paper that has my graduation class and from there it would be easy to find where I live and everything else.
And you're ignoring the reasons against RealID. You simply refuse to accept the fact that harassment is made possible by it.
On July 09 2010 23:48 D-Lite wrote: has anyone thought of the players such as
Greg "idra" Fields Sean "Day[9]" Plott Hayden "haypro" Hussein i could go on but i wont
these people's names are common knowledge amongst the sc community, a quick google will even bring up some of day9's OLD photo's why arent these the people who are up in arms over real ID telling the world of what potention threats it causes.
IdrA has to be one of the most disliked players in starcraft, yet i dont see anyone baying for his blood, or tracking him down to the CJentus house.
i think this is just all blown out of proportion and people are beginning to take it way to far.
meh could just be me though, for all i know thousands of people could have been aprehended on their way to korea with a butter knife in hand
Maybe they won't have a problem getting a job AS A PRO GAMER if Googling them shows hundreds of SC2 posts. Maybe someone trying to get a NORMAL job would be thrown out the window if they're seen to play WoW all the time. Maybe because none of these are female and wouldn't get harassed by teenage nerds?
i didnt mention jobs, and if an employer didnt give you a job because you play online games thats grounds for discrimination, and then your likely to have a lovely tribunal on your hands, possibly resulting in a bigger pay off than a year working at said job you couldnt get would pay.
either way, the reasons for people are coming up with for not having your real name on the internet are getting more and more tedious.
i use my real name for a large ammount of my email address', does that make me a potential realID victim?
the only reason i could think have your real name online is detrimental is that if an incredibly determined ID fraudster+hacker, could gain more information about you than you wanted, which in most cases would be harder than going through somebodys rubbish bin for a bank letter/national insurance number
LMAO, you're so naïve. Do you know how hard it is to sue for blatant discrimination, let alone this? You would never even find out that prospective employers tossed your CV in the bin because they Googled you, let alone be able to sue them for it. You're obviously living in a little fantasy land, have you ever applied for a real job?
On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote: How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?
but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world.
to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0.
infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins
Luke Curran Liverpool United kingdom
add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly.
everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why
Yes, but what about people with unique names? There's only a few hundred people in the US with my last name. I'm pretty sure there is no one else in the US(or the world for that matter) that has my full name. A google search takes you to a local paper that has my graduation class and from there it would be easy to find where I live and everything else.
And you're ignoring the reasons against RealID. You simply refuse to accept the fact that harassment is made possible by it.
that has been your only reason through-out though, even though you keep saying harassment your not saying what negative connotations it could bring
On July 10 2010 00:14 love.less wrote: of course harrasment is a big deal im sure nobody has tried to deny that but this is opt in you dont have to post of the forum to enjoy the game, if you want to interact with other people outside of the game(forum) then you do, much as in every day situations, give up some personal information
I'm gonna end this and watch the TLO vs WhiteRa showmatch, but I've been interacting with people over the internet for over 10 years. Not once have I given out my full name to a random person, never.
On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote: How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?
but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world.
to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0.
infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins
Luke Curran Liverpool United kingdom
add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly.
everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why
Yes, but what about people with unique names? There's only a few hundred people in the US with my last name. I'm pretty sure there is no one else in the US(or the world for that matter) that has my full name. A google search takes you to a local paper that has my graduation class and from there it would be easy to find where I live and everything else.
And you're ignoring the reasons against RealID. You simply refuse to accept the fact that harassment is made possible by it.
that has been your only reason through-out though, even though you keep saying harassment your not saying what negative connotations it could bring
You seriously want to me to list the negative connotation of harassment? Harassment is not inherently bad?
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation.
On July 09 2010 23:48 D-Lite wrote: has anyone thought of the players such as
Greg "idra" Fields Sean "Day[9]" Plott Hayden "haypro" Hussein i could go on but i wont
these people's names are common knowledge amongst the sc community, a quick google will even bring up some of day9's OLD photo's why arent these the people who are up in arms over real ID telling the world of what potention threats it causes.
IdrA has to be one of the most disliked players in starcraft, yet i dont see anyone baying for his blood, or tracking him down to the CJentus house.
i think this is just all blown out of proportion and people are beginning to take it way to far.
meh could just be me though, for all i know thousands of people could have been aprehended on their way to korea with a butter knife in hand
Video games have a way of bringing out extreme emotions from people. I've known a girl who was stalked by someone she came across online. Just recently (actually the very day I heard about this), a person running a clan I know began to receive random and endless text messages on his cellphone through GMail. Apparently someone who had a problem with him in-game got their hands on his name and phone number. If these were incidents, where law enforcement could easily intervene, it'd probably be less of an issue, but it becomes much more difficult to deal with harassment coming from overseas sources as in the case of this clan leader. It's not like these people need to hop on a plane to come and bother you. With the right information, they could make your life hell from the other side of the world.
Of course when you happen to run across people in the same area, this only compounds the potential problems since real life stalking and harassment are certainly possible. The girl I know lived in NYC (she's since moved due to this) and this guy would show up at her school, workplace, etc. Eventually it was discovered that he was following her and taking pictures of her. Maybe if you live somewhere out in the sticks where you're the only person who plays this game, this kind of thing wouldn't be so much of a problem. But for people living in big cities where it's very possible that others playing the game will reside near you, it's definitely an issue that could concern them.
This is just not a good idea and the few pros that exist (mitigating trolling) certainly do not outweigh the almost endless amount of cons that are there. Of course, the simple solution in this case is to not post on the forum just like the simple solution when someone starts texting you non-stop is to change your phone number, but should ever be forced to suffer the inconvenience of having to change your phone number in the first place? And if this is, indeed, a first step toward further social networking integration, how long will it be until that real name becomes a regular part of our in-game profile? Is it Blizzard's responsibility to give people our name in our stead to facilitate the creation of long-lasting and "meaningful" relationships? Do they seriously believe we're so stupid that we can't decide for ourselves who we want to give our names to? If I want someone to have my real name, I'll give it to them. If I'm not telling someone my real name, there's a damned good reason for it. Following Blizzard's logic, we should all walk around in the real world wearing "HELLO, MY NAME IS ___________" name tags. That would obviously stop people from being dicks to each other and help create lasting friendships without causing any problems at all... -_-
And yes, if you try hard enough, you can often find out someone's personal information online such as their name, but just because it's possible with enough effort doesn't mean Blizzard should be making it any easier. The solution to trolling on a forum should be strict moderation, not releasing peoples' personal information. Also, even if there are trolls on a forum, why would you take this route when you can simply choose to ignore them?
On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote: How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?
but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world.
to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0.
infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins
Luke Curran Liverpool United kingdom
add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly.
everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why
Yes, but what about people with unique names? There's only a few hundred people in the US with my last name. I'm pretty sure there is no one else in the US(or the world for that matter) that has my full name. A google search takes you to a local paper that has my graduation class and from there it would be easy to find where I live and everything else.
And you're ignoring the reasons against RealID. You simply refuse to accept the fact that harassment is made possible by it.
that has been your only reason through-out though, even though you keep saying harassment your not saying what negative connotations it could bring
You seriously want to me to list the negative connotation of harassment? Harassment is not inherently bad?
Just ignore him, he's obviously trolling. He can't even be bothered to type properly.
On July 09 2010 23:52 love.less wrote: the chances of somebody actually coming and harrasing you over a post they dont agree with cant be very big, when you take into account that such things are A:against the law B: very time consuming C:possible expensive? and a whole lot of other letters followed by reasons
I said it would be very rare, but with all the people on the internet I know it will happen to someone. People have killed others over internet game bullshit. You're extremely naive if you think this won't happen to a small minority.
provide references with your claims please, they are getting more exaggerated by the post
You've seriously never heard stories of people hunting down and killing someone because of an internet argument? Do you live under a rock?
On July 10 2010 00:36 acidburn wrote: 1. make new account 2. use fake name 3. ?????? 4. stfu
And then when something goes wrong with your account or it is compromised, proceed to go out and pay $60 to buy a new copy of Starcraft 2 or World of Warcraft because Blizzard will not help you since you cannot provide ID to prove that you are the owner of the account thanks to the fake name you put. In the case of World of Warcraft or Diablo 3 (when it comes out), proceed to lose your characters and all of your items thanks to your stupidity. Hell, if I remember correctly, you can't even do this for World of Warcraft due to the billing issues...
Danger or not, Blizzard is implementing it to essentially curb trolling. That alone tells us that when your name is attached to something, you should fear the repercussions of what you write in a public place. So to say there's no difference would be to say that there is no reason for RealID on the forum in the first place.
I think every other MMO forum ive seen (eq2s and lotros) have had a single name that you post under. In wow you can post on any character including your level 1 alts or whatever. The system is set up at present to encourage trolling. Going from that system to real names, is such an extreme shift when there are obvious ways to stop trolling (single name, better moderation) that doesnt require real names. I don't think you can argue against that.
There's no compelling reason to use this system, except that they have some hard on for social networking all of a sudden, which makes me think there is some end game to all this. They don't just randomly decide to go balls to the wall with all this social networking stuff unless they plan to profit from it in the future
On July 10 2010 00:36 acidburn wrote: 1. make new account 2. use fake name 3. ?????? 4. stfu
And then when something goes wrong with your account or it is compromised, proceed to go out and pay $60 to buy a new copy of Starcraft 2 or World of Warcraft because Blizzard will not help you since you cannot provide ID to prove that you are the owner of the account thanks to the fake name you put. In the case of World of Warcraft or Diablo 3 (when it comes out), proceed to lose your characters and all of your items thanks to your stupidity. Hell, if I remember correctly, you can't even do this for World of Warcraft due to the billing issues...
This. You need CC information to play WoW (unless you're using prepaid but few people do and its more expensive) and you can't fake a name on a CC.
On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote: I completely agree with love.less in this debate.
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation.
That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other.
Even being 'respectable and good' isn't good enough. The only security in today's mass media world, is to not be known.
It doesn't matter if you write the most elaborate, well researched, well sourced primers for the gaming world. IF, when your applying for a job in some company where the HR people have a stigma against gamers and find that your quite verbose on the subject.
Let alone simply having your name out there for various other forms of targeting like consumer and even Fans who want to get a bit closer.
The thing is, people DO get stalked, famous celebs get stalked all the time, and they are protected and have people that handle that sort of stuff.
Some 14 year old girl who's posting out of curiosity in a thread on the blizzard forms somewhere becomes an instant potential target, and sexual predators have evolved with the media systems we employ.
"Mr Brand said that one Blizzard employee posted his real name on the forums, saying that there was no risk to users, and the experiment went drastically wrong.
"Within five minutes, users had got hold of his telephone number, home address, photographs of him and a ton of other information," said Mr Brand"
On July 10 2010 01:38 Obsidian wrote: Even being 'respectable and good' isn't good enough. The only security in today's mass media world, is to not be known.
It doesn't matter if you write the most elaborate, well researched, well sourced primers for the gaming world. IF, when your applying for a job in some company where the HR people have a stigma against gamers and find that your quite verbose on the subject.
Let alone simply having your name out there for various other forms of targeting like consumer and even Fans who want to get a bit closer.
The thing is, people DO get stalked, famous celebs get stalked all the time, and they are protected and have people that handle that sort of stuff.
Some 14 year old girl who's posting out of curiosity in a thread on the blizzard forms somewhere becomes an instant potential target, and sexual predators have evolved with the media systems we employ.
First, you can fail to get a job because of anything. This doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue your passion because you wouldn't be able to pay your bills. Have a little more self-respect than that and do the things you love to do and find a way to pay your bills. You can even fail to get a job because you're too private. They'll Google your name and do whatever kind of background check and calling references and interviewing they can, and if they don't find enough info, they won't be comfortable hiring you.
Second, if gaming is ever going to get over its stigma, using real names is a very obvious change that must be made. If all sorts of traditionally respectable people were revealed for the gamers they are amongst their colleagues, friends and family, and via Facebook, then gaming can be just another pastime like it ought to be. So yeah, gaming might have a stigma that makes it look even worse, but it'll never improve if everyone who does it fights for anonymity.
Some 14 year old girl who's posting out of curiosity in a thread on the blizzard forms somewhere becomes an instant potential target, and sexual predators have evolved with the media systems we employ.
Can someone make a "Pedobear approves of REAL ID" picture yet? I feel we should have seen one by now.
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
And all it took was one of the most epic shitstorms since the absence of announcement about the absence of Lan. Well played folks, they can hear us if we shout loud enough +1 blizzard
On July 10 2010 00:58 floor exercise wrote: Danger or not, Blizzard is implementing it to essentially curb trolling.
Blizzard is implementing it to essentially curb posting.
But hey why do you need forums when you dont listen to your community anyway...
This was the biggest thing that struck me after thinking about it. A lot of people (the vocal ones) complain about how blizzard doesn't respond to or really care about people who post, so why does it matter what name shows up for a forum you don't use?
The extent to which I've used the blizzard forums over the past few years has been to argue about dumb drama on my then WoW server. I don't know many people who are different. All serious game posting about blizzard products has been on third party sites.
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
....Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature...
Yeah more Facebook features I cant wait for them. Its optional atleast for now.
I really dont like the way theyre heading at all. Whoever thinks this is a big win fails. :/. If they were to implent a private-mode button in the new Battle.net then you might have a smalll reason to celebrate.
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
Their stock is public information... it went up a quarter of a point since July 6.
Blizzard needs to stop throwing things and hope they stick and start swinging that ban hammer more liberally. If there's one thing that'll improve the forums it's stricter rules
Unique identifiers...good! That's what they should have proposed in the first place.
Despite what is commonly said on the internet that anonymity causes people to be jerks to one another, its false. Lack of ACCOUNTABILITY is what does that. There's a big difference.
Edit: Well it seems I should have read the previous posts on this page a little more clearly lol. Blizzard revoked their decision - in such case I cannot comprehend why they would propse such an idea in the first place to make forums 'troll/flame/drama free' the only way to have that happen is to have dedicated active moderators checking each and every thread. Not four for every single Blizzard forum. It's really no surprise to me they cannot admin their forums properly with so few moderators on there, and most Blue posters are not moderators....
Thank God reason won out over this. I realize they want to improve the quality of the forums, but this was far too intrusive of a policy change. So glad they realized this and made the right choice. The new forums now sound really good with the new tools they'll be implementing. I'm not going to drastically change my posting patterns to skew towards the official boards, but at least I'll bounce around and contribute here and there as opposed to avoiding it entirely.
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
1) Not funny 2) False
Good news on the change though, not that I actually care about whether real names are posted but rather so everyone can stop crying over it.
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as conversation threading, the ability to rate posts up or down, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime CEO & Cofounder Blizzard Entertainment
Translation: Our stock really sucked the past few days sooooooo let's just pretend this didn't happen okay guys? We can still be (Facebook) friends.
On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote: I completely agree with love.less in this debate.
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation.
That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other.
In general you are right I guess. But the thing that bothers me in this is that an HR departement can deside to hire you or not based on assumptions related to your personal life. I'm all for being 'social and positive' but to me there's a difference in being 'positive and social' among friends, in public places or on a workfloor. I can act like the biggest idiot on a forum (and not necesseraly bother anyone with it) or on the street and be a perfect worker/teamplayer.
On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote: I completely agree with love.less in this debate.
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation.
That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other.
In general you are right I guess. But the thing that bothers me in this is that an HR departement can deside to hire you or not based on assumptions related to your personal life. I'm all for being 'social and positive' but to me there's a difference in being 'positive and social' among friends, in public places or on a workfloor. I can act like the biggest idiot on a forum (and not necesseraly bother anyone with it) or on the street and be a perfect worker/teamplayer.
I agree, but what I don't like is people blaming Blizzard for these problems. It's the employers who are fucked up. For the personal privacy issues, it's the web sites that allow you to type in a name and get an address/phone number/etc that are fucked up. It's the criminals who would harass and assault someone because they posted on a forum that are fucked up. It's typical introverted submissive nerd behavior to just stay anonymous and keep away from the big bad world. It's typical idiotic behavior to blame Blizzard for the fucked up things in the world.
On July 10 2010 00:21 wolveriiiine wrote: I completely agree with love.less in this debate.
First I was sceptical about it, but I'm liking the idea more and more.
But my only counterargument is that I will now have to reread every word I write down because a future employer could be reading them also. They can see how you behave in discussions, casual talk, etc, etc... Saying for example every ten posts that I like beer, would not be very helpful for a good impression I guess.
And unfortunatly not everyone lives in the US, so a simple 'we've found someone better for the job' would make an end to my sollicitation.
That counterargument goes both ways though. The people against Real ID call bullshit when Blizzard says that the change will reduce trolls but, at the same time, they complain that everything they write has to be respectable and good, or else they might suffer repercussions in other areas of life. They have to give up one or the other.
In general you are right I guess. But the thing that bothers me in this is that an HR departement can deside to hire you or not based on assumptions related to your personal life. I'm all for being 'social and positive' but to me there's a difference in being 'positive and social' among friends, in public places or on a workfloor. I can act like the biggest idiot on a forum (and not necesseraly bother anyone with it) or on the street and be a perfect worker/teamplayer.
I agree, but what I don't like is people blaming Blizzard for these problems. It's the employers who are fucked up. For the personal privacy issues, it's the web sites that allow you to type in a name and get an address/phone number/etc that are fucked up. It's the criminals who would harass and assault someone because they posted on a forum that are fucked up. It's typical introverted submissive nerd behavior to just stay anonymous and keep away from the big bad world. It's typical idiotic behavior to blame Blizzard for the fucked up things in the world.
But that's the thing, the world is fucked up. So I like my private information to be private. Because people could do bad stuff with it. Even if it's none of their business.
So hooray for the change and Blizzard... they do listen if you just cry loud enough ;-)
You'd have to know my name to look me up. If I don't give you my name it'd be damn near impossible to find anything about me.
Without real name - very diffucult to find someone. With real name - very easy.
tbh i dont think anybody would want to look you up even if they did have your real name or me for that matter but i can see the problem with realID using real names for people know in the community, popular guys who dont want their personal info to be public knowledge the likes of sean day9 plott and greg idra fields. oh wait what?
Most likely someone wouldn't want to look me up. However, in the rare chance some random kid on the internet doesn't like what I say, I'd rather not give them the information to find me and harass me.
your still not explaining why its a bad thing to have your real name on the internet myles. obviously were of mixed opinions because i couldnt care less about my real name being posted and you feel very strongly against it, yet you still havent provided any reasons why.
what is a random kid gonna do with your real name if he does take offence to what you have said on the internet, which actually reaffirms my point i made earlier "the only people who will care about realID are people who like to flame"
even if my entire address was posted every time someone looked at my profile i couldnt care less, what is someone gonna do with it anyway? send a letter bomb to my house, dont think so.
On July 10 2010 00:10 Myles wrote: How is the potential for real life harassment not a big deal? If one extra person gets harassed because of RealID gave out their name, is that not a big deal?
but your not stating any negative reasons, how is anyone gonna be harassed in real life for having their real name on the internet, im sure there are thousands of Luke Curran's (my real name) in my city alone, never mind my country or the rest of the world.
to cherry pick me out of the possibility of hundreds of thousands of people with the same name and manage to find my real life address comes down to almost the probability of 0.
infact i issue a challenge, here and now, the first person to find me on facebook.....wins
Luke Curran Liverpool United kingdom
add me, pm me, do what ever you want, because this thread is getting a bit silly.
everybody is advocating realID is a bad thing, but no one is elaborating on why
so you seem to genuinely interested so why haven't you browsed (in 5 minutes or so) the first thread that was made on tl about it i'm very particular about the subject and probably one of the few that went through all the thread and then kept reading this one so my thought is that if you just take no more than 5 minutes going through that first (150 pages) thread, maybe you'll start realizing that your opinion (which you are naturally entitled to) is maybe not the only one you should be considering just to get you started, this trend of un-anonymity by corporations such as activision leads to: spamming corporate discrimination gender and ethnic bias facilitates e stalking identity theft or cyber crimes encourages dangerous people that actually use this information to hurt people (from hurtfull to lethal) ... is that enough?
the fact that you feel safe, and apparently have not yet suffered any incident of that sort of have never heard of any such crimes should not convince you that there is no problem with this corporate trend on internet fact is : the proper authorities around the world that combat internet crimes have declared it from the start : the only way to try and protect people or people you care about is to not divulge information on the internet, a corporation giving out names is exactly the opposite of the right way to go about things
just to finish, i ignore trolls after responding once, like most people should, trolls are a small price to pay for having the privilege to freely address people on forums, nothing warrants the real id concepts as for e sports... forums are never going to help promote them only money will promote them, enough passionnate spending of money by people who are invested in th game and spend their money ... did i mention money yet...aaa yes that's the only reason for promoting the real id concept please don't take my post the wrong way and check out the former post on the subject... it's pretty revealing if you are really interested in the subject and genuinly want "us silly people to explain why they feel this is a dangerous trend" we are not loosing our time defending anonymity on internet, you are wasting space in this thread by arguing that YOU don't care if people know who you are
It's always about the money. Always. Always. Always. Always about the money.
From what I hear, most Blizzard employees agree with us that this is stupid. They have to stomach it though because the bigwigs want a bigger paycheck and they'd get fired if they opposed their superiors.
"Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net"
EPT
