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On July 09 2010 17:50 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 17:37 Rabiator wrote:
Sure you can "pretend to be a kid" and activate parental controls, but that doesnt deal with the issue. The real issue is Blizzard pretending that trolls and harrassment are rampant on their forums and that they need us to use our real names to post there to prevent such things from happening. As the parental controls and easily created fake IDs allow you to still post anonymous, it becomes clear that their whole explanation is actually a lie. The integration of Facebook and this push for real-ID only has one goal: selling our data and sending more spam ads our way. Why not add our battlenet email address to our real name and save the spammers some time?
Seriously there is only one thing that might make Blizzard turn back and that is high profile people / communities issuing a joint statement that they wont support the company if it continues down this path of nonexistent privacy. What would happen to Starcraft 2 if Day[9], Artosis, TL, HD Starcraft, Husky, major tournament sponsors and whoever else is spreading the Starcraft 2 vibe around the world, would actually say "We wont broadcast anything until real-ID is gone" and advise their fans to "not buy the game until your privacy is ensured"? And there will be still enough people to buy it :> but I do get your point. The problem is that the RealID is already implented in WoW you can get everyones name due to a bug in the system. Even if you did not activate it. I personally doubt theyll get rid of that system no matter what you do since its their long term plan to intergrate/convert battle.net in to a social-network-platform :o. This just the beginning what comes next ?. Na I lost all my trust in Activision-Blizzard. I doubt I will buy the next Blizzard game but Millions will. Since the younger generation does not know better and are spoiled with the Console/DLC/Facebook crap
As I always say: You can sell the most useless dirt if the advertisement is good. We should enjoy being the last generation that is partially free of the Matrix ...
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^ You may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you can't fool all of the people all the time
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On July 09 2010 17:50 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 17:37 Rabiator wrote:
Sure you can "pretend to be a kid" and activate parental controls, but that doesnt deal with the issue. The real issue is Blizzard pretending that trolls and harrassment are rampant on their forums and that they need us to use our real names to post there to prevent such things from happening. As the parental controls and easily created fake IDs allow you to still post anonymous, it becomes clear that their whole explanation is actually a lie. The integration of Facebook and this push for real-ID only has one goal: selling our data and sending more spam ads our way. Why not add our battlenet email address to our real name and save the spammers some time?
Seriously there is only one thing that might make Blizzard turn back and that is high profile people / communities issuing a joint statement that they wont support the company if it continues down this path of nonexistent privacy. What would happen to Starcraft 2 if Day[9], Artosis, TL, HD Starcraft, Husky, major tournament sponsors and whoever else is spreading the Starcraft 2 vibe around the world, would actually say "We wont broadcast anything until real-ID is gone" and advise their fans to "not buy the game until your privacy is ensured"? And there will be still enough people to buy it :> but I do get your point. The problem is that the RealID is already implented in WoW you can get everyones name due to a bug in the system. Even if you did not activate it. I personally doubt theyll get rid of that system no matter what you do since its their long term plan to intergrate/convert battle.net in to a social-network-platform :o. This just the beginning what comes next ?. Na I lost all my trust in Activision-Blizzard. I doubt I will buy the next Blizzard game but Millions will. Since the younger generation does not know better and are spoiled with the Console/DLC/Facebook crap
The bug is actually self owned and mod creators fault. Like the gearscore beta that got removed because people were giving out their own real id with how it bounced off the client. It's not through the chat interface. It does create a valid concern through the api but you'd have to dupe people into not realizing or being aware of it.
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On July 09 2010 12:50 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote:maybe this is just a way of getting free PR  Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud.
Any publicity is good publicity
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On July 09 2010 19:42 Nyx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 12:50 Integra wrote:On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote:maybe this is just a way of getting free PR Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud. Any publicity is good publicity
is that sarcasm? if it's not that is incredibly false and stupid
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On July 09 2010 19:59 superman. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 19:42 Nyx wrote:On July 09 2010 12:50 Integra wrote:On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote:maybe this is just a way of getting free PR Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud. Any publicity is good publicity is that sarcasm? if it's not that is incredibly false and stupid
i don't know many americans who can name more than 5 countries in europe, but i do know that they all know germany is in europe... publicity is publicity in cases where you're too big to be killed off by 'bad publicity'... i'm pretty sure sc2 is too big to be killed by 'bad publicity'
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On July 09 2010 18:43 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 18:21 fams wrote:On July 09 2010 15:11 MindRush wrote:
i would say that terran stalkers got a HUGE BUFF with Blizzard's recent realid patch I have to admit, I laughed... I think the Real ID thing is a poor idea, in the sense that people have a lot of personal info about them revealed. On the Facebook topic, I think it is a very good idea for exposing E-Sports and SC2 as a whole to people who might otherwise not have heard about them. On a side note: You can simply use a fake name to get around the Real ID thing. And for Facebook, as someone posted before, simply change your privacy settings on Facebook, or as I pointed out, just use an email not associated with Facebook in the first place. You can stay hidden and anonymous rather easily. Or you could just not use their forums... Plus I do believe for some things, you need proof of ID that you own the account, as far as customer support goes. Like if your account gets hacked. So I wouldn't recommend that.
I was just giving people who still want to use the forums some ideas.
And yeah, you are right, from a customer service standpoint it is a poor idea. I never thought of that to be honest, thanks : )
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it is really starting to look like stock changes would be the only way to get issues about bnet 2.0 across to them and have them listen huh?
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On July 09 2010 19:59 superman. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 19:42 Nyx wrote:On July 09 2010 12:50 Integra wrote:On July 09 2010 12:47 StaR_Robo wrote:maybe this is just a way of getting free PR Free PR? Blizzard are being accused of everything from forcing people to sign up so they can sell the users private information, encourage sexual harassment online and to making people more exposed to scammers and Identity fraud. Any publicity is good publicity is that sarcasm? if it's not that is incredibly false and stupid
# of people boycotting sc2 and quitting wow over this > people seeing this somewhere, giving it a thought. Really? I'd think the numbers of relapsing wow players getting trapped again at the first mention of wow would overwhelm the .1% of players who actually keep their boycotting word.
It's basically (almost free) advertisement albeit not very good one perhaps but still better than nothing. It's not like anyone other than current, rather dedicated, players are raging over this right now. The rest of the world doesn't care and/or doesn't even play so them hearing about WoW controversy just sparks interest if anything.
It's not like activision openly bumsexing their customers (dedicated ones the hardest) in regards to the call of duty series* has done anything to hurt their sales, it just goes up up up. Even if half the articles written on them are slanting some bad features and the fact that they straight out killed any possibilty for competetive play.
*was good like 10 games back.
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Why Blizzard WHHYYYYY!?
Back when the teaser video for Starcraft 2 came out, I was all excitement. Now, the game seems pretty awesome, but there seems to be so many shenanigains surrounding it...
I, for one, am definitely not gonna be posting on the blizzard forums. Maybe the whole thing is designed to give their forum mods less work.
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That would sound feasible if the Koreans actually used the US/EU forums, but they have their own forums in their language, I'm sure its possible to use real-ID only for them and leave the west with the current system.
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On July 09 2010 12:39 Integra wrote:MMO-Champion to add additional forum structure and bandwitdh to its own forums in case Blizzard actually goes through with it. http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/
Entirely expected, although the MMO-C forums became complete shit in Wrath along with anything else WoW related.
What surprises me is that there's still people who support, look forward to, or otherwise ignore the issues that this change is going to make. This is a big fucking deal, and needing to have a debate with the people that are somehow for it is a giant distraction from what we should be doing.
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Does nobody see the potential realID actually has to help "esports" be taken more seriously? i cant believe nobody has even touched upon it to be honest, in a world where progamers are still widely seen as a nerdy kids with a funny looking alias, realID definitely has the potential to help esports in some ways i believe. Also while i can understand people who like their privacy this change is no different really to yoru name being in a phone book, and before you say you can opt out of a phonebook or whatever, you havent so.. dont say it? my 2.0 cents
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On July 09 2010 23:15 love.less wrote:
Does nobody see the potential realID actually has to help "esports" be taken more seriously? i cant believe nobody has even touched upon it to be honest, in a world where progamers are still widely seen as a nerdy kids with a funny looking alias, realID definitely has the potential to help esports in some ways i believe. Also while i can understand people who like their privacy this change is no different really to yoru name being in a phone book, and before you say you can opt out of a phonebook or whatever, you havent so.. dont say it? my 2.0 cents
There difference between being listed in a phone book and on the internet is substantial. The phone book doesn't record everything you say/write and archive it for the world to see. Now, the most likely thing is don't be a jackass on the internet - that goes for life in general, but you still see them all the time.
I also don't see how giving someones real name is going to change the stereotype about gamers. Because you know a gamers real name you're all of a sudden not going to think he's a nerd? NEWSFLASH people get made fun of all the time for being nerds in real life, despite knowing their real name. Bullies will be bullies, trolls with be trolls, and these things existed before the internet. Putting peoples real names out doesn't change this.
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see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him.
this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
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On July 09 2010 23:28 D-Lite wrote:
see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him.
this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do
Compelling argument friend, I can see how a celebrity being in the public spotlight is identical to regular working folks names being displayed on public video game message boards.
I also agree about your nephew, no one has raped any small children I know, so that's all the evidence I need to know sexual predators are a myth, like unicorns.
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Makes you wonder if they did it all as a publicity stunt.
"Hahah, just kidding, guys! We'll just make unique identifiers so we don't sacrifice people's personal security to clean up a silly video game forum. Man, we really had you goin'!"
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On July 09 2010 23:33 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 23:28 D-Lite wrote:
see all those sexual predators try to kidnap miley cyrus this weekend coz she broadcasts her realID on a regular basis on every form of media known to man.....
no i didnt either, im not exactly sure what privacy concerns people are qq'ing about on the latest rage against the realID(machine).
i honestly couldnt see it being any sort of hinderance what so ever to people trying to be taken seriously in esports.
the only people i see it will be a problem for is the guy who makes an alt forum account just to flame people coz he has nothing constructive to say, or the 11 year old with parental control settings.
either way my 9 year old nephew is on facebook and i dont see any paedophiles coming for him.
this is just another form of blizzard hate by people with nothing to do Compelling argument friend, I can see how a celebrity being in the public spotlight is identical to regular working folks names being displayed on public video game message boards. I also agree about your nephew, no one has raped any small children I know, so that's all the evidence I need to know sexual predators are a myth, like unicorns.
Yea that dateline show doesn't exist and people are never harassed over the internet.
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