EPTGraphic for seeing cloaked units.
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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hydroxx
United States46 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 01 2010 06:38 hydroxx wrote: i play on all low and i can pick out cloaked units just fine i play on low and everything but banshees are invisible for the most part, and i said in another thread about this the only DT i can see is the scythe one, and only when it attacks | ||
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RedLuck
Canada253 Posts
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
This is because the fact that the number of pixels allowed within those settings are minimal compared to higher settings allowing for the cloaked units to be more distinguished because there are less pixels to persay create shading for those units and etc. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
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Satallgeese
United States239 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
On June 01 2010 06:44 Klockan3 wrote: I see cloaked units on the lowest settings... You don't see them when they stand still but you never did that so it isn't a problem. Im pretty sure you can see them when they stand still. I remember being able to see them on people's streams. They of course play at the high settings though. I can't seem to see cloaked banshees and observers. Those are my main concerns. | ||
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Nuxar
Canada212 Posts
@OP: Lighting and Shaders help render the cloacked models. | ||
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IrT4nkz
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
So i have everthing on low, except texture on ultra, which makes it a lot easier to see cloaked units for me On June 01 2010 06:44 Klockan3 wrote: I see cloaked units on the lowest settings... You don't see them when they stand still but you never did that so it isn't a problem. U can see cloaked units even if they stand still | ||
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Cheezy
Sweden112 Posts
2. Open up variables.txt 3. Find this line; simplifiedCloaking If it is on 1, change it to 0. | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
On June 01 2010 07:22 Cheezy wrote: 1. Find your Starcraft 2 folder in My Documents. 2. Open up variables.txt 3. Find this line; simplifiedCloaking If it is on 1, change it to 0. Nope didn't work. texture on ultra didn't work either. I can see the attacks and where its coming from for banshees but for other units I don't even get a hint. | ||
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
tested it a few times  | ||
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hydroxx
United States46 Posts
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Izzy2011
27 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:12 hydroxx wrote: you guys need new monitors, or a new set of eyes lol Why don't you try spotting a cloaked unit on all low settings. Post a screenshot of it too. Im pretty sure you can't even see a hint of it. And izzy I can't really do that when I don't even have an idea of where it is. Besides it takes too long. | ||
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PcChip
United States50 Posts
(unless of course you own that cloaked unit, then it's visible to you, but transparent-blue) I agree that people either need new monitors, or glasses  | ||
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FC.Strike
United States621 Posts
Testing now, will post pictures to confirm. Edit: Too lazy to post pictures, but this is what I found. 1. Cloaked units always produce the distortion effect as I stated 2. Cloaked units are easier to see when the background it's distoring has a texture 3. Low shader effect creates bland, textureless backgrounds 4. Because of points 2 and 3, it's more difficult to see cloaked units on low shader settings I noticed that turning the shader setting from low to medium had a huge impact on the terrain which makes cloaked units much easier to see even when standing still. That said, I doubt you'd find it unless you were actively looking for it or it was parked over something highly textured (like the edge of a ramp, a building, or a unit). | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
On June 01 2010 10:31 FC.Strike wrote: I'm fairly certain cloaked units produce the distortion effect even when standing still. The reason it's more apparent when it's moving is because your eye notices the distorted background moving across the screen. Testing now, will post pictures to confirm. Edit: Too lazy to post pictures, but this is what I found. 1. Cloaked units always produce the distortion effect as I stated 2. Cloaked units are easier to see when the background it's distoring has a texture 3. Low shader effect creates bland, textureless backgrounds 4. Because of points 2 and 3, it's more difficult to see cloaked units on low shader settings I noticed that turning the shader setting from low to medium had a huge impact on the terrain which makes cloaked units much easier to see even when standing still. That said, I doubt you'd find it unless you were actively looking for it or it was parked over something highly textured (like the edge of a ramp, a building, or a unit). Ah I see anything else I can do besides changing the shader and the texture? Because I don't think my computer can go above low in the shader lol. I will try changing the texture and see how it works. And actually its pretty easy to spot if you wanna see if theres an observer scouting or if you are looking where to scan. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
I wonder if bit depth has anything to do with it... | ||
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zergporn
Estonia156 Posts
edit: maybe it has something to do with nvidia panel settings whatever, but i dont think so. | ||
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Pull
United States308 Posts
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DarkwindHK
Hong Kong343 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
On June 01 2010 12:31 Pull wrote: As far as I know if you turn up your gamma you'll be able to see them a bit easier...of course that will make all the other colors a little weird...but it helps Yeah tried that too but didn't work My graphics get really screwed up. | ||
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Glider
United States1353 Posts
On June 01 2010 16:16 DarkwindHK wrote: I feel the observer is still quite hard to spot even when you are the owner! dude, so true, they just blends in with the buildings/your own units! gaaaa just to add i have all setting on max/ultra and i can see everything / clocked units fine. Of course a single non-moving dt is hard to spot, but i think that's true for any setting. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Are you sure your monitor is ok? Do you have decent brightness/contrast levels? Gamma in general (not from SC) can be edited too. The reason I'm saying this is that I played it in 1280x1024 on Low (ex-video card) and on Ultra (current one) and I could see observers and such just fine on both. So unless it's a resolution thing, I think it most likely has to do with brightness or colors or something. Do you have the same problem with distinguishing force fields and such? | ||
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charlie420247
United States692 Posts
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
On June 01 2010 08:35 G3nXsiS wrote: Why don't you try spotting a cloaked unit on all low settings. Post a screenshot of it too. Im pretty sure you can't even see a hint of it. And izzy I can't really do that when I don't even have an idea of where it is. Besides it takes too long. Bahah you need a new brain. It's easy to spot them and I have the lowest settings or my comp crashses. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
On June 02 2010 05:31 XsebT wrote: Just build a science vessel... oh...wait...no. That but with the right game  I'm pretty sure its not supposed to be easy to spot observers... just sayin... | ||
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OrtegaPeru
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
For those really confused about what the problem is, remember the ripple effect from the old SC1 when you didn't have detection for the opponent's cloaked units? SC2 has it too. Except on for some people, like me, SC2 doesn't have it at all. Makes DT/Banshee harass much harder to deal with, obviously. I've done a lot of tests with different settings using replays for convenience, and I think the problem is probably a software/hardware issue. I've played around with every single one of my graphics settings and I'm also wearing good glasses (hah!). My suspicions are only heightened since some people (including some of my friends) have a really easy time spotting an opponent's moving cloaked units while others find it impossible, and the former are obviously terribly confused by the difficulties of the latter. It's not a graphics setting thing because I've played around with all the settings possible and it doesn't make an inkling of a difference. I've adjusted individual settings, put them all on the highest possible for my system, and put them all on the lowest possible. No effect. Four banshees can still fly around a base and it's impossible to see any sign of anything on my computer. Therefore, chances are that the light warping feature is something that requires some kind of software or hardware which I simply do not possess. DirectX 10, perhaps? A more advanced graphics card than my measly 64 mb ATI mobility radeon? I think it's directX 10 personally but I don't have any vista or 7 system so I don't really know. | ||
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Samnater
United States1 Post
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
Does anyone remember that?! | ||
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