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lunar3force
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petered
United States1817 Posts
The level of entitlement displayed by the comments is seriously juvenile. I am sorry if I am sounding over the top but I really think some people need to learn a lesson sooner or later because this is the way the real world works. It is driven by money. If you want Blizzard or any company to produce a quality product, it needs to be profitable, it is as simple as that. It is like if you go to McDonalds and get all fussy that they aren't serving you a steak. That is why it makes me sad that people are talking about boycotts, bad ratings, and things like that for SC2. If SC2 fails, you are not going to get starcraft 3. They will realize that making a game like this is too much work and not enough profit all because of a picky community who is too stingy to pay money for a game they will play for years. So they would just abandon future esports focused rts games. Finally, lets assume for just a moment that SC2 is only half as good as SC 1, and is only the most competitive rts in the world for 5 years. Are you really not willing to pay $180 for a game that you play for 5 years? Like seriously? Even if it is not as good as BW doesn't mean it isn't awesome and isn't worth you putting your money into if you really value an rts made for high level play. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On May 30 2010 07:42 orgon wrote: It's not an either/or. You can buy the game and buy the stock if you're so inclined. But fine if you feel so strongly about this dude and the direction he is taking Activision/Blizzard then SHORT the stock and profit from the eventual destruction of the brand names this man is committing. I have a feeling that you're right and he is doing the above. If this guy crashes and burns all these quality brands he's going to get fired but only the consumer has that power. Again vote with your money. You're forgetting the other option we have in a capitalist society, which is to hurt their wallets by giving them as much bad press as possible. It's been proven to work as long as we can organize and show solidarity. | ||
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dcttr66
United States555 Posts
On May 30 2010 06:29 Mortality wrote: Loved this article. Glad there are citations too. So is there anybody who still thinks that any change from KeSPA is a good one? I don't like the potential here of going from bad management (as KeSPA currently is -- they've done a lot for e-sports historically, but they are too controlling these days) to worse. uhm...GomTV is better than kespa so...it's cool by me. On May 30 2010 06:11 pieisamazing wrote: holy what the fuck. i had no idea someone so disgusting could exist. lol. ah man...wow. you need to read more history. On May 30 2010 08:08 Koffiegast wrote: I knew about some parts, but.... this much and this dramatic...dear sweet mother of god what happened to the game industry. it didn't occur to you that it was going down the crapper when ...nevermind. | ||
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Skystriker
United States16 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
EDIT: Correlation does not imply causation. | ||
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3772
Czech Republic434 Posts
(Read - SC2 skin for Napoleon) | ||
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Ecology
United States23 Posts
For us "oldtimers" who were there when Blizzard earned their initial positive reputation. As in picked up a copy of diablo 1, or warcraft 1, or starcraft 1 originally etc.. I think we can really see the downturn that has occured. Not that you need to have that experience to see the change, it just makes it slightly more sad maybe. Saying that activision has no effect on blizzard's practices is just taking in the smoke their blowing our way. It's just a total shift in paradigm towards profit obviously. I actually think sc2 is in pretty good shape, but I believe the game might not be released without another delay if we were still dealing with the old blizzard due to b.net mostly and some polish. As i've said before blaming previous delays on b.net is a total scapegoat though. However the release is timed perfectly to be their anchor for their next quarterly statement. Which all businesses must consider, but it would be better for us if the dev's knew more about "bed sheets" maybe than balance sheets. Rose-colored glasses or not it's pretty hard to look at this and not see that an impact has been made. | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1975 Posts
On May 30 2010 07:46 dcttr66 wrote: uhm...GomTV is better than kespa so...it's cool by me. And what are your reasons for that? A corporation made specifically for the safe running of esports (eg, they uncovered a lot of the progamer scandal I think, they make sure the progamer's have safe income, and so on) against a single company which will, if the change by Blizzard goes ahead, have complete monopoly rights over the whole of SC1 and SC2 esports. What one is better? And don't say one of your reasons is that GOM has English casting, there won't be any games to cast and the quality of the games will decrease because progamers will have to have part time jobs alongside their gaming. | ||
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ahwala
Germany402 Posts
On May 30 2010 07:45 petered wrote: The level of entitlement displayed by the comments is seriously juvenile. I am sorry if I am sounding over the top but I really think some people need to learn a lesson sooner or later because this is the way the real world works. It is driven by money. If you want Blizzard or any company to produce a quality product, it needs to be profitable, it is as simple as that. It is like if you go to McDonalds and get all fussy that they aren't serving you a steak. There's a difference between the necessity to operate profitable and the exploitation of every potential profit. And this is where stock-markets and shareholders come into play. The fact that the world today is so damn totally driven by money doesn't mean that it must or should be this way. By the way, it isn't all that bad. There are, in every section of art, small independent studios, which operate profitable but not for the sake of profit. Too bad Blizzard isn't amongst them anymore.  | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On May 30 2010 07:45 petered wrote: [...] The level of entitlement displayed by the comments is seriously juvenile. I am sorry if I am sounding over the top but I really think some people need to learn a lesson sooner or later because this is the way the real world works. It is driven by money. [...] this is how capitalism works. we do have capitalism in the real world, but capitalism is not the real world. choices, values, purpose, priorities - these still come from human beings and not from money. a company can choose to make a good product or to go for maximized profit. capitalism can work against the people, but it can also be used to work for them, and thats how it should be. capitalism is a tool, not the driver. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On May 30 2010 07:48 motbob wrote: People making more money from their games??? Say it ain't so. nothing wrong with that, but when they try to force more profit on consumer (us) by compromising the quality of their products or services, then we have a problem here... especially when this website/community was founded on the passion and love for this game. sure people are gonna be pissed for getting shafted by the developers. at least post something useful to the discussion without making urself sounds like a troll motbob. | ||
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
On May 30 2010 07:45 petered wrote: If you read through that and thought that ANY of that was some sort of evil corporation thing, you are being childish. Blizzard and Activision are companies, they are not charities who have been ordained to make awesome games for you to play for the lowest price possible. The level of entitlement displayed by the comments is seriously juvenile. I am sorry if I am sounding over the top but I really think some people need to learn a lesson sooner or later because this is the way the real world works. It is driven by money. If you want Blizzard or any company to produce a quality product, it needs to be profitable, it is as simple as that. It is like if you go to McDonalds and get all fussy that they aren't serving you a steak. That is why it makes me sad that people are talking about boycotts, bad ratings, and things like that for SC2. If SC2 fails, you are not going to get starcraft 3. They will realize that making a game like this is too much work and not enough profit all because of a picky community who is too stingy to pay money for a game they will play for years. So they would just abandon future esports focused rts games. Finally, lets assume for just a moment that SC2 is only half as good as SC 1, and is only the most competitive rts in the world for 5 years. Are you really not willing to pay $180 for a game that you play for 5 years? Like seriously? Even if it is not as good as BW doesn't mean it isn't awesome and isn't worth you putting your money into if you really value an rts made for high level play. 1. Bad product 2. People complain 3. YOU tell people to stop complaining and keep giving them money 4. Still no good product, and never will be now company has it's money, I don't think what you said made any sense whatsoever. But you do appear to be defending some half assed capitalism so that should not really come as a surprise. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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dcttr66
United States555 Posts
On May 30 2010 07:51 Garrl wrote: And what are your reasons for that? A corporation made specifically for the safe running of esports (eg, they uncovered a lot of the progamer scandal I think, they make sure the progamer's have safe income, and so on) against a single company which will, if the change by Blizzard goes ahead, have complete monopoly rights over the whole of SC1 and SC2 esports. What one is better? And don't say one of your reasons is that GOM has English casting, there won't be any games to cast and the quality of the games will decrease because progamers will have to have part time jobs alongside their gaming. gomtv released a very good version of LT(desert lost temple). i thought it was very impressive. i also liked their videos. but that was a super long time ago. when i think of kespa i don't really remember anything special that they did. anyway when i do a google search for kespa i get sites that my ie is telling me may harm my computer. i don't get that when looking at the gomtv sites. as for that inside knowledge advantage you have over me with korean economics, i got nothing to say to that. all i know is what i just told you. if kespa discovered those scandals, would it not have been better if they had prevented the scandals? i'm not saying i know much about either company. i just know that little bit. idk anything about difference between who does korean or english videos. i thought there was quite a bit of both. anyway i'm not bothered by language barriers like some people are. i'm a linguist. On May 30 2010 07:40 Izslove wrote: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25172037656&sid=5000 I've forwarded the post to the SC2 forums. Shame I couldn't bring the pics across as well  Although I'm half expecting a forums ban for the post I believe this is information that needs to be shared. D3xter if you want em to remove the post from the official forums just PM me and I'd be happy to do so. So that you can post it yourself. i blogged it. :D http://6ray6.blogspot.com/2010/05/not-sure-where-comic-came-from-but-it.html | ||
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
It may be profitable, but it's not a high quality product. They could charge $30 for SC2 and still make money out of it. But they're charging $60 for it, while lacking a ton of stuff. | ||
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Pull
United States308 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On May 30 2010 06:40 dcttr66 wrote: wow. yeah. i hope blizzard knows what they're getting themselves into...it's kinda like serving mengsk, eh? Yes. Blizzard is behaving like a dictator instead of the company who is publishing what we want. They try to convince us that we dont want stupid stuff like LAN or chat channels or even customized maps ... and their brutal stance in Korea towards KeSPA shows that they are not interested in sharing. On May 30 2010 06:51 Kinslayer wrote: Here is why stuff that people and companies like Activison does works: - the companies are run by non gamers. The shareholders couldn't care less if these were games or sacks of potatoes. Just a fact. They pay money to invest in the company and only look at money as a measure of success. Understandable. - the majority of the customers these companies have, including Starcraft customers, do not know or care about the stuff we here are all mad about. That is why games they make sell at higher prices and they can even get away with high priced DLC. - YOU want their product and they know that. Most of us here will huff and puff but still buy Starcraft 2. Remember MW2? yeah... We lost any kind of credibility after that fiasco. Sonpeople like this dude are actually very good! He is doing an excellent job. Just the job we don't want him to do, but the one he was HIRED to do: make money for the shareholders. It's called reality. At the end of the day, it's YOUR money that is driving ALL of this  The bigger the companies the more money rules their thinking. It has ALWAYS been like this with small companies in the gaming industry which became big. There is a little project somewhere called "Google will eat itself". They have a few internet pages with ads and for the revenue from these ads they buy Google shares. Eventually they will own Google ... in a few hundred years. Maybe we should try the same with Blizzard / Activision. Personally I had been looking forward to SCII, but it gets ever more unlikely that I will buy the game ... not because it is bad when you are playing, but rather because of the BNet screw up and the dictatorial behaviour of Blizzard. | ||
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lunar3force
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