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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 29 2010 23:05 GMT
#141
Everyone should hold off from buying the game until our voices are heard. Don't give them a penny until they take action on our concerns.
pettter
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1032 Posts
May 29 2010 23:07 GMT
#142
I seldom buy games at all nowadays. I will certainly not buy a game company who pays such a guy a (no doubt insanely inflated) salary. Activision Blizzard, fuck you.
Koffiegast
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands346 Posts
May 29 2010 23:08 GMT
#143
I knew about some parts, but.... this much and this dramatic...dear sweet mother of god what happened to the game industry.
Wut
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
May 29 2010 23:09 GMT
#144
Awesome write up good job completely agree on all points. I've been wow play many years now ever since announcement of Activision Blizzard been feeling the effects of this recently quit wow but im just trading it for another Activision Blizzard game SC2.

now come to think of it do u think the Kespa ordeal had anythink to do with Activision? I bet it does!
Daeden.620
Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
May 29 2010 23:09 GMT
#145
Excellent, excellent post. I really commend you for it. I'm afraid of what the future holds for Blizzard. Oh how thy might seem to have fallen. At this point I'm not concretely sure though this evidence points towards the fall of quality...
Hark!
DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
May 29 2010 23:09 GMT
#146
wow...makes me really sad the direction video games are going atm. Never thought I'd say it.. but hell I miss the 90's
"DrBoo is an elaborate troll" -Pufftrees
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
May 29 2010 23:11 GMT
#147
Front page this thread, it deserves it.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 23:13:40
May 29 2010 23:13 GMT
#148
Ok, we get the facts. But what are YOU trying to say? Blizzard is bad? Boycott them? Be realistic, they control BW and SC2. Even if every single blizzard employee was a rapist pedo i'd still buy play the games.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Perfect Balance
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway131 Posts
May 29 2010 23:14 GMT
#149
This thread goes a long way towards portraying these men as evil, gentile, "anglo" men. That is the stereotype, of course. The reality is quite different. Start looking into these companies who only care about getting as rich as possible, and you'll start to discover a pattern. Here are some pictures of the people at the top; the people responsible. They don't exactly look like swedes to me. There's a common denominator here..

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"Do you REALLY want chat rooms?" - You're good Blizzard! I was just fakin' it!
Hartigan
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom12 Posts
May 29 2010 23:16 GMT
#150
On May 30 2010 07:46 Slow Motion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 07:42 orgon wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:28 Hartigan wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:24 orgon wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:05 PrideNeverDies wrote:
lol at all the people in here crying about activision blizzard, but will still end up buying the game

face it, you have nothing better to do in your lives than play their video games. you know it. bobby kotick knows it. don't be mad he chooses to exploit your social ineptness. it is why he is the alpha male CEO and you guys are the sheep.



I agree completely. People complain about this and that but you will still buy the game and your friends will buy the game. Then you'll continue to complain on bnet but still buy the expansions.

Look if you want to punish Activision then you have to punish their stock. How do you do this? Well DON'T BUY their games. But that won't happen right guys?

The OP was a good read but definitely one sided. I always try to look objectively at both sides of the story and who knows the OP has a short on Activision stock.

The only solution I see is if you guys buy the game/expansions and love blizzard so much then just get some ownership in the company. I'm sure you guys will start rooting for this guy because he's making you richer.

It's called capitalism, don't hate it. Remember you can vote with your money.


Buying ATVI stock instead of buying Starcraft 2 or WoW subscriptions might make a difference, but it will also give them money in the process. At the end of the day no one can do what we all want to do which is fire Bobby Kotdick from the company and sue him on multiple counts of mismanagement and wrongful dismissal - no severance package, no golden handshake, no red carpet. A swift kick in the butt and a lawsuit to boot.


It's not an either/or. You can buy the game and buy the stock if you're so inclined.

But fine if you feel so strongly about this dude and the direction he is taking Activision/Blizzard then SHORT the stock and profit from the eventual destruction of the brand names this man is committing. I have a feeling that you're right and he is doing the above. If this guy crashes and burns all these quality brands he's going to get fired but only the consumer has that power.

Again vote with your money.

You're forgetting the other option we have in a capitalist society, which is to hurt their wallets by giving them as much bad press as possible. It's been proven to work as long as we can organize and show solidarity.


Yes, stirring up some bad publicity would be a great way to state our point. It would be interesting to submit all this controversy to a news agency and see if it picks up any interest, as I for one would think that the novelty of a fanbase might actually make a decent article if it was sufficiently controversial. Activision-Blizzard is big enough, and frankly based on the first page, bad enough.

As for shorting the stock or hedging it in any way, I simply dont have enough leverage to make any effective play at doing that, but if someone does, go for it. I'd rather take the legal avenue on this one to be honest.

Oh and one might also want to avoid saying too wrongly about Kotdick et al less you find yourself on the wrong end of a slander suit. Like he said, he'll pay the lawyers more than the developers.
mkfk1
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom153 Posts
May 29 2010 23:17 GMT
#151
Time like this, I dont feel sorry for all the torrents and private server out there that pirate games.

If sc2 turns out to be this useless, than hello hamchi or some other pirate server.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11057 Posts
May 29 2010 23:17 GMT
#152
Do you really want to bring a racial element into this?
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
iammaru
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada38 Posts
May 29 2010 23:20 GMT
#153
On May 30 2010 08:14 Perfect Balance wrote:
This thread goes a long way towards portraying these men as evil, gentile, "anglo" men. That is the stereotype, of course. The reality is quite different. Start looking into these companies who only care about getting as rich as possible, and you'll start to discover a pattern. Here are some pictures of the people at the top; the people responsible. They don't exactly look like swedes to me. There's a common denominator here..



You're racist.
"Teamliquid: Experts in demotivation"
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
May 29 2010 23:21 GMT
#154
On May 30 2010 08:14 Perfect Balance wrote:
This thread goes a long way towards portraying these men as evil, gentile, "anglo" men. That is the stereotype, of course. The reality is quite different. Start looking into these companies who only care about getting as rich as possible, and you'll start to discover a pattern. Here are some pictures of the people at the top; the people responsible. They don't exactly look like swedes to me. There's a common denominator here..


This is precisely why I dislike any threads focusing on Bobby Kotick or Activision in general. It always follows the same pattern:

- Talk about how much of a dick Bobby Kotick is
- Compile long list of wrongdoings that are unrelated to Blizzard at all
- Accuse Blizzard of being corrupted for offering 100% optional services that nobody has to pay for
- Start bringing up Jewish conspiracies and inject anti-Semitism in an attempt to demonize Mike Morhaime and Blizzard in general

Seriously, I hate Kotick as much as the next person, but these threads really go into a bad direction. This certainly won't change Blizzard's opinions or decisions at all, and only bring out the absolute worst in gamers. It reflects badly on all of us when you start injecting anti-Semitism over a video game.
Perfect Balance
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway131 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 23:26:20
May 29 2010 23:24 GMT
#155
On May 30 2010 08:17 Sabu113 wrote:
Do you really want to bring a racial element into this?


You sound like you're making a threat. Hahaha.

It's amazing how, in the politically correct world you americans live in, if ethnic iranians occupied ALL of your media and video game companies tomorrow, you wouldn't be able to point it out for fear of being labeled a "raciss". If those iranian CEO's also donated to causes that hurt your foreign policy and affected elections in their favor, you wouldn't be able to point it out.

You're wrong, it's not about racial elements at all, it's about the fact that all of these companies are dominated by a group that constitutes less than 2% of the total american population. It's amazing to me how so few americans realize this, and see WHY companies turn into money-making schemes when people of this group start inhabiting the positions of chairman and CEO.

Michael Morhaime belongs to this group. So does the CEO of Activision, and all the big video game companies (EA, Bethesda, etc), except Valve.

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"Do you REALLY want chat rooms?" - You're good Blizzard! I was just fakin' it!
commanderchobo
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada53 Posts
May 29 2010 23:26 GMT
#156
what a great post! very well researched and put together. my god man! have you thought about a career in journalism. it comes as no suprise this sort of thing is happening. you could see it in wow, you could see it in sc2, hell its everywhere.

fuck activision, i havent given them money in so long, pirated all my xbox games, computer games, and only paid the 15 dollar fee for wow
Teddyman
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland362 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 23:28:33
May 29 2010 23:26 GMT
#157
I should start by saying that Kotick is a class 1 asshole, as is EA's CEO John Riccitiello. They both have their own styles. While Riccitiello seems to prefer milking his companies for millions from shady deals while whispering sweet lies to gamers' ears, Kotick demonstrates some kind of superiority complex towards his employees and gamers.

That having been said, the OP is really biased and goes searching for all kinds of false evidence to support his argument. Let's look at some:

additional protection with the Blizzard Authenticator, so you’ll be safer against hackers for 6.50$ instead of for free

You do know this is an actual physical device that makes you input a code every time you log in to WoW or SC2? I certainly wouldn't like my subscription money being used to buy every player one (+replacements) just because some people want to run all the keyloggers they can find on the internet.

Blizzard Mobile is getting made for stupid phone sounds and pictures

Good thing that you put the word "stupid" there so we know how we should feel about that.

In the Thomas Tippl interview, you just highlight a few random words to make it seem all ominous. They are exploring opportunities? Certainly a sign of things to come...

Soon after, Kotick even believes, that with Activision Blizzard now being so big, he seems to have the right to dictate future consoles hardware design:

You make a pretty smooth leap from "influence" to "dictate." He also doesn't say anything about them claiming any right to do so.

Blizzard in a partnership with DIRECTV (and with increasing desire for more $$) provide Live Streaming of the Event for only 39.95$, although Streams from such events as the E3, Tokyo Gameshow or GamesCom are usually free…

I guess you didn't watch that, since there were 2 free streams that streamed the tournaments. Only the DirecTV produced stream cost money. As a side note the DirecTV stream was crap (didn't pay for it but many people livestreamed it until the streams were taken down.) Your choice of free stream with Artosis/Tasteless/bunny/djWheat or $40 stream with DirecTV commentators making jokes of nerds.

Anyway, the OP is mainly just every source of discontent with SC2 mixed with quotes from CEO/CFO-level interviews (surprise: finance department people talking to shareholders and investors talk about how to make the most money.) People are taking the "shitstorm" mentality Kennigit posted about to their hearts, but direct it at a place where Blizzard will read it, not TL forums.
"Chess is a dead game" -Bobby Fischer 2004
D3xter
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany17 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-30 00:06:49
May 29 2010 23:26 GMT
#158
On May 30 2010 08:07 pettter wrote:
I seldom buy games at all nowadays. I will certainly not buy a game company who pays such a guy a (no doubt insanely inflated) salary. Activision Blizzard, fuck you.


http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/10/kotick-made-nearly-15-million-last-year/

He made $14,950,102 in 2008 only cause of his great work

On May 30 2010 07:14 GG.Win wrote:
So I just read through all of that, and I have to say... if most of that is true, I seriously fear for the direction SC2 is taking. I hope its all just propaganda though.

It reminds me a lot of Origin Systems and EA.

Funny you should mention that, there was an Interview in 2004 (can't find the link right now) where a manager of Ultima Online/Origin was asked about the success of World of Warcraft and he said something along the lines of him believing that it would destroy Blizzard as a company.
Activision mainly just merged with Blizz because of the financial success of World of Warcraft, much like EA bought Bioware and keeps pumping money into them, because they hope the new Star Wars MMO "The Old Republic" will finally be big after they failed with stuff like Sims Online or Warhammer Online.

As Kotick himself said in his speech at the last DICE (on "Creative Talent" of all things...) he didn't have much interest in the company before that, and when WoW was being developed he didn't think it would make any money at first: http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/702673/dice-2010-activision-ceo-bobby-kotick-presentation.html

On May 30 2010 08:26 Teddyman wrote:
That having been said, the OP is really biased and goes searching for all kinds of false evidence to support his argument. Let's look at some:

I never pretended to not BE unbiased (in fact it should be pretty clear by my choice of pictures I am), it is a very hard thing to do if you see games you've been looking forward to for decades being ruined by business and marketing decisions, and my wording directly feeds to that end.

Concerning the Blizzard Authenticator, I know it is a physical device, but they could aswell have developed an Online system or a system in conjunction with a mail account for the encryption (providing said unique Token/Password that way), they instead chose to make it a "product" and market it, even though it should be one of their main concerns to keep their customers safe.

Of course I could have included things like: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/18/kotick-announces-activisions-half-million-dollar-indie-games-co/
Kotick announcing that half a mil "Indie game competition" or similar, but that wouldn't exactly help my point, would it? xD

I'd go as far as to say, every written sentence or opinion is "biased" one way or another and it's really up to the reader to make out the truth or form their opinion based on different sources.
kajeus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 23:34:56
May 29 2010 23:29 GMT
#159
EDIT: Okay, after reading more of the OP, I've decided there's a lot of evidence of douchebaggery here. Almost... evil. Definitely anti-artistic.
pro-MoMaN, pro-HuK, pro-Millenium
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 23:32:15
May 29 2010 23:31 GMT
#160
Ill be honest i just canceled my SC2 order, so im now 64.46 richer.
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