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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On December 19 2011 13:06 Humanfails wrote: Stickies are for important and very influential information that people should know about. Even a sticky does not have to be conforming to the personal beliefs or views of the TL staff or TL.net. That does not mean that individuals don't need to know what Kotick actually and factually professes and believes. It also has a bearing on a lot of threads that have since been opened as to "Is HoTS worth buying", etc. If this thread was stickied people could decide this for themselves without opening a new thread, based on more evidence than zero. This is something I would want to know about if I were someone who didn't already know. It's important. Firing all the people that work in a company right before splitting profits? Think about it. that means new people have to be brought in to work on things. This affects how games like sc2 and CoD are made, marketed, and released. It affects the quality. Teamliquid's main source of users ciome here for starcraft. Therefore TL does have a stake in putting this out there because it affects starcraft very directly. The question is why would you not sticky it, and let a thread die that could answer a lot of questions that other people will create threads for in the future? Remember, sc2 is 3 games, so people will have the HoTs threads again with LoTV. So we should just sticky some incredibly biased post just because it might be informational, regardless of any blatant skew or agenda? Not a good idea. That would be like the government subsidizing Pepsi and taxing Coca-Cola advertisements. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
Yes obviously Blizzard-Activision is the root of all evil. Next week they will definitly charge us per ladder game, and they will probably start to release a game a year like CoD does. /sarcasm Seriously? Has anyone paid a single thing for Sc2 after buying the game initially? I don't think Blizzard is stupid enough to believe that would work with their players. Trust me whatever you think they know exactly who buys SC games and what they are willing to pay. Maybe at some point they will get a system online where you can "buy" maps, but anything beyond that is not only unlikely but I'd say flat out impossible. No one would buy a RTS game with a monthly subscription, when they could play a ton of others for free. If Blizzard started to throw out low quality games at a yearly rate, they'd loose their fanbase within a year. Currently as long as the product they produce is anywhere close to polished (and they are VERY good at polishing their stuff) it sells. Why would they go and kill the Goose which lais Golden Eggs? Sometimes i wish the internet would be a bit less paranoid. And even more i wish people would leave old threads buried and dead without bumping them needlessly. | ||
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Sackings
Canada457 Posts
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NoisyNinja
United States991 Posts
Blizzard starts charging us without giving us the changes we want. | ||
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Humanfails
224 Posts
On December 19 2011 13:13 Zeke50100 wrote: So we should just sticky some incredibly biased post just because it might be informational, regardless of any blatant skew or agenda? Not a good idea. That would be like the government subsidizing Pepsi and taxing Coca-Cola advertisements. I would hope people can rub the shit off of any argument or story to discern its factual worth. That they can decide for themselves as rational individuals with a brain, etc etc... The real deal here is the quoted line of what Kotick actually said, word for word.. Stuff like taking the fun out of game making intentionally, reducing it to getting sales, etc. He actually said these things. If he didn't the article could be sued for slander, and activision's lawyers would crush the person who wrote it, and it would no longer exist here on TL. It doesn't much matter how skewed the OP is or the article's personal voice is, what matters is that people can see what agenda BK has in mind when creating a game and driving his workers, and how he does it. remember, he fired employees right before they were going to get paid their shares. And hired replacements. This is unethical business practice at best. And we're wanting to buy their products. Plese don't consider this too sensationalistic or unworthy to be stickied, since we come here for news on SC2, a product of Activision and Bob Kotick. On December 19 2011 13:21 Tula wrote: oh dear god not this stuff again.... Yes obviously Blizzard-Activision is the root of all evil. Next week they will definitly charge us per ladder game, and they will probably start to release a game a year like CoD does. /sarcasm Seriously? Has anyone paid a single thing for Sc2 after buying the game initially? I don't think Blizzard is stupid enough to believe that would work with their players. Trust me whatever you think they know exactly who buys SC games and what they are willing to pay. Maybe at some point they will get a system online where you can "buy" maps, but anything beyond that is not only unlikely but I'd say flat out impossible. No one would buy a RTS game with a monthly subscription, when they could play a ton of others for free. If Blizzard started to throw out low quality games at a yearly rate, they'd loose their fanbase within a year. Currently as long as the product they produce is anywhere close to polished (and they are VERY good at polishing their stuff) it sells. Why would they go and kill the Goose which lais Golden Eggs? Sometimes i wish the internet would be a bit less paranoid. And even more i wish people would leave old threads buried and dead without bumping them needlessly. you honestly dont see it moving that way? name changes, a service that would take 1 hour at most to create, has not been implemented despite the fact that, as owners of COD, they found value in allowing clan tags for players on it. The authenticator to protect your account actually costs you money. If any company threw out low quality games at high volume, they'd die. Thats bad business from any standpoint and I don't know why you would even say that.. The best business is to pay the least in production (which is why slave children make the sneakers we buy from U.S. companies), and charge as much as can reasonably be expected for the largest percentage of the customer base you can get. The end goal of capitalism, in the long run, is for one person to have all the money, while everyone else bought all the commodities. I really get annoyed when people call it paranoia. Its simply the nature of how the machine operates. put out the cheapest product for the most profits. If the "polish", as you put it, is cheaper to do, even if the ratio of polish to substance is 10:1, companies will go for the "polish" over substance every single time. Thats called being a business. When a business gets too big, it actually becomes like the titanic. It's very immune to pissing off small numbers of users, as long as fanboys and others continue buying their product on the basis of hype or "polish". So it will appear to be a strong and successful company and perhaps actually be so. The bigger it is the harder it falls. What a company like this cant stand is everyone getting fed up and buying another product or simply completely abstaining. That is where PR comes in. There's a thread floating around of an interview with one of the people from blizz, who's name I currently forget, but he basically talks about protoss and other balance issues, and most replies to the TL thread are "X sure knows how to talk politics, say a bunch of stuff and actually say nothing at all". PR. An ounce of good PR is worth more than a pound of good game design. | ||
docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
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malaan
365 Posts
Thankfully, this Kotick guy is old. Hopefully he will catch a heart attack or something very soon. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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