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On May 30 2010 07:07 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 06:46 The6357 wrote:
sounds like Blizzard is a bad place to work...and no wonder Blizzard puts "Blizzard is Hiring" ad on b.net...they can't keep their employees!!!! Dunno if this post is serious, but I think Blizzard is probably still one of the very best places in the gaming industry to work... I very much doubt they have any issues pertaining to employee retention.
Knowing somebody that works there, it's a great environment. They are trying to cut benefits but Morhaine is holding strong. Also, the employees are stuck in an interesting position. From what I've heard they get pretty ridiculously good percs from activision, but everyone's alliance still lies with Morhaine. (at least the old timers)
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On May 30 2010 07:17 MindRush wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 06:21 Roggay wrote:
Wooow, instructive read. Makes me want to kill this Kotick. Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 06:20 jstar wrote:
"Over 500 employees fired due to 'modest' Starcraft 2 sales"
"Blizzard files lawsuit against own parent company"
"ATVI drops 70% to an all time low"
"Kotick found dead in his own home"
ahh.. the perfect world. no1 forced blizzard to merge with activision
Yes they did; Activision (Vivendi?) owns >50% shares in Blizzard, that means they own them.
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Quick, guys, tell me, what does the back of the starcraft cd case say?
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On May 30 2010 07:18 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 07:17 MindRush wrote:On May 30 2010 06:21 Roggay wrote:
Wooow, instructive read. Makes me want to kill this Kotick. On May 30 2010 06:20 jstar wrote:
"Over 500 employees fired due to 'modest' Starcraft 2 sales"
"Blizzard files lawsuit against own parent company"
"ATVI drops 70% to an all time low"
"Kotick found dead in his own home"
ahh.. the perfect world. no1 forced blizzard to merge with activision Yes they did; Activision (Vivendi?) owns >50% shares in Blizzard, that means they own them.
Not really. A merger is different from an acquisition. Activision Blizzard was a result of a merger. It is voluntary on both companies.
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On May 30 2010 07:22 jstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 07:18 Garrl wrote:On May 30 2010 07:17 MindRush wrote:On May 30 2010 06:21 Roggay wrote:
Wooow, instructive read. Makes me want to kill this Kotick. On May 30 2010 06:20 jstar wrote:
"Over 500 employees fired due to 'modest' Starcraft 2 sales"
"Blizzard files lawsuit against own parent company"
"ATVI drops 70% to an all time low"
"Kotick found dead in his own home"
ahh.. the perfect world. no1 forced blizzard to merge with activision Yes they did; Activision (Vivendi?) owns >50% shares in Blizzard, that means they own them. Not really. A merger is different from an acquisition. Activision Blizzard was a result of a merger. It is voluntary on both companies.
Wrong; this was not an acquisition, but it was not a straightforward merger. Both companies were owned by Vivendi and Vivendi decided to merge them together. That is not a straight-forward merger as the consent of both subordinate undertakings is not required; with a majority share Vivendi can (and did) forcibly merge the two companies together. It also got to pick and choose who would sit on the board of directors for that merged company.
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On May 30 2010 07:05 PrideNeverDies wrote:
lol at all the people in here crying about activision blizzard, but will still end up buying the game
face it, you have nothing better to do in your lives than play their video games. you know it. bobby kotick knows it. don't be mad he chooses to exploit your social ineptness. it is why he is the alpha male CEO and you guys are the sheep.
I agree completely. People complain about this and that but you will still buy the game and your friends will buy the game. Then you'll continue to complain on bnet but still buy the expansions.
Look if you want to punish Activision then you have to punish their stock. How do you do this? Well DON'T BUY their games. But that won't happen right guys?
The OP was a good read but definitely one sided. I always try to look objectively at both sides of the story and who knows the OP has a short on Activision stock.
The only solution I see is if you guys buy the game/expansions and love blizzard so much then just get some ownership in the company. I'm sure you guys will start rooting for this guy because he's making you richer. 
It's called capitalism, don't hate it. Remember you can vote with your money.
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On May 30 2010 07:24 orgon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 07:05 PrideNeverDies wrote:
lol at all the people in here crying about activision blizzard, but will still end up buying the game
face it, you have nothing better to do in your lives than play their video games. you know it. bobby kotick knows it. don't be mad he chooses to exploit your social ineptness. it is why he is the alpha male CEO and you guys are the sheep. I agree completely. People complain about this and that but you will still buy the game and your friends will buy the game. Then you'll continue to complain on bnet but still buy the expansions. Look if you want to punish Activision then you have to punish their stock. How do you do this? Well DON'T BUY their games. But that won't happen right guys? The OP was a good read but definitely one sided. I always try to look objectively at both sides of the story and who knows the OP has a short on Activision stock. The only solution I see is if you guys buy the game/expansions and love blizzard so much then just get some ownership in the company. I'm sure you guys will start rooting for this guy because he's making you richer. It's called capitalism, don't hate it. Remember you can vote with your money.
Buying ATVI stock instead of buying Starcraft 2 or WoW subscriptions might make a difference, but it will also give them money in the process. At the end of the day no one can do what we all want to do which is fire Bobby Kotdick from the company and sue him on multiple counts of mismanagement and wrongful dismissal - no severance package, no golden handshake, no red carpet. A swift kick in the butt and a lawsuit to boot.
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On May 30 2010 06:51 Kinslayer wrote:Here is why stuff that people and companies like Activison does works: - the companies are run by non gamers. The shareholders couldn't care less if these were games or sacks of potatoes. Just a fact. They pay money to invest in the company and only look at money as a measure of success. Understandable. - the majority of the customers these companies have, including Starcraft customers, do not know or care about the stuff we here are all mad about. That is why games they make sell at higher prices and they can even get away with high priced DLC. - YOU want their product and they know that. Most of us here will huff and puff but still buy Starcraft 2. Remember MW2? yeah... We lost any kind of credibility after that fiasco. Sonpeople like this dude are actually very good! He is doing an excellent job. Just the job we don't want him to do, but the one he was HIRED to do: make money for the shareholders. It's called reality. At the end of the day, it's YOUR money that is driving ALL of this 
lol that's true, if you ever played mafia wars on facebook, it's like...oh REALLY? yeah, uh huh...oh really? oh really? about all those terrible things that you can do to extort, exploit, and cheat people out of their money or whatever...but after a while of advancing through the game...it's easy to just start ignoring what the jobs are called and just clicking on do job...it must be the same with those higher ups, they just look at the the cash and leveling up that can be gained and go for it.
On May 30 2010 07:00 DigitalD[562] wrote:
I have boycotted all activision games since I learned of some of there corporate practices. Kotics ravings didn't help either. I hope that I don't have to lump Blizzard in with Activision but I will if things keep going in the direction that they are.
i stopped supporting them just because they sucked. and it's apparently all because of Kotics
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90% of that is activision only and are well known.. if you didnt knew all of this you been living under a rock
but hes the devil and should be shot.. noone would miss him
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On May 30 2010 07:05 PrideNeverDies wrote:
I always try to look objectively at both sides of the story and who knows the OP has a short on Activision stock.
It's called capitalism, don't hate it. Remember you can vote with your money.
Great idea. Everyone short Activision stock if SC2 comes out and they still refuse to listen. Profit for us, teach money grubbing slackers a lesson. WE HAVE THE MANPOWER!!!
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What I don't get is how on earth this is connected to bnet2 being a total piece of shit. THEY WILL SELL MORE UNITS IF THE GAME HAS MORE FEATURES THAT PEOPLE ARE SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR. Even if the sole goal was to maximize profit with sc2 it wouldn't make sense to exclude chat rooms, cross realm, tournament features, clans, and possibly lan. What they don't seem to understand is that sc2 players and people who like competitive rts are not like fps or mmo/wow players; not enough people will be willing to pay for extra features which should be in the game at release to compensate for the smaller amount of units sold.
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On May 30 2010 06:55 Level10Peon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 06:52 Nik0 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2010 06:46 Level10Peon wrote:
Activision has zero control over Blizzard, and neither entity is trying to make SCII some cheap money grab. Pretty sure this guy is a troll You all are looking for a target for your frustration, so you picked Activision. I agree, BNet 2.0 needs work, but at least have some rationality. Threads like this are not productive.
I AGREE!
(EXCEPT FOR THE PART THAT HIS RANT PROVIDED A WEALTH OF INFORMATION!)
On May 30 2010 06:49 AmstAff wrote:
rofl im so dumb. i always hated EA cause they are money whores, but activison blizzard is even a bigger money whore.
FUCK YOU EA
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD
i will go back to the roots and play on my old nintendo and atari.
I doubt that. I just think they're more proud of their greed than EA.
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Well, it seems we have a year or 2 more of fun games from blizzard before we get the drivle the rest of the industry provides...
good fun games come from people who enjoy making them, not assembly line machines like EA.
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The best way to protest is to hurt their wallet is not by a boycott per se, but by giving them as much bad press as possible. If we are loud enough at some point it will be more economical for them to address the issues instead of ignoring us.
And lol at people who think because this guy is trying to make as much fast money as possible off of a game he's a brilliant capitalist. He's jeopardizing the quality of his own product. But hey we know that rich CEOs know better and always have great long-term plans for their businesses, right?
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Yikes. Thanks for opening my eyes on this. It's funny howw it's so transparent and yet none of us know about it without someone writing up a huge research article on it.
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This is an amazing thread. Thank you for taking the time to put this together. This site never ceases to amaze me!
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http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25172037656&sid=5000
I've forwarded the post to the SC2 forums. Shame I couldn't bring the pics across as well 
Although I'm half expecting a forums ban for the post I believe this is information that needs to be shared.
D3xter if you want em to remove the post from the official forums just PM me and I'd be happy to do so. So that you can post it yourself.
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On May 30 2010 07:34 Drowsy wrote:
What I don't get is how on earth this is connected to bnet2 being a total piece of shit. THEY WILL SELL MORE UNITS IF THE GAME HAS MORE FEATURES THAT PEOPLE ARE SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR. Even if the sole goal was to maximize profit with sc2 it wouldn't make sense to exclude chat rooms, cross realm, tournament features, clans, and possibly lan. What they don't seem to understand is that sc2 players and people who like competitive rts are not like fps or mmo/wow players; not enough people will be willing to pay for extra features which should be in the game at release to compensate for the smaller amount of units sold.
they want drones, not hardcore players that buy one game once and stick with it for 20 years, paying nothing for the servers the game runs on. you might not realize this, but teamliquid is the hard-core of what the starcraft playerbase is. we probably are a minority. how else are you going to explain that despite all the criticism coming from here bnet 2.0 and sc2 still look like that? they are after casual players, not the top 10%. as long as there are players there will always be a top 10%. casuals have the numbers that pay, and casuals are the ones forming an audience for events. the top are only the players that this audience follows and is completely exchangable. :|
im really shallow here, but people shouldnt overestimate the value of tl for a company as huge as activision blizzard.
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On May 30 2010 07:28 Hartigan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2010 07:24 orgon wrote:On May 30 2010 07:05 PrideNeverDies wrote:
lol at all the people in here crying about activision blizzard, but will still end up buying the game
face it, you have nothing better to do in your lives than play their video games. you know it. bobby kotick knows it. don't be mad he chooses to exploit your social ineptness. it is why he is the alpha male CEO and you guys are the sheep. I agree completely. People complain about this and that but you will still buy the game and your friends will buy the game. Then you'll continue to complain on bnet but still buy the expansions. Look if you want to punish Activision then you have to punish their stock. How do you do this? Well DON'T BUY their games. But that won't happen right guys? The OP was a good read but definitely one sided. I always try to look objectively at both sides of the story and who knows the OP has a short on Activision stock. The only solution I see is if you guys buy the game/expansions and love blizzard so much then just get some ownership in the company. I'm sure you guys will start rooting for this guy because he's making you richer. It's called capitalism, don't hate it. Remember you can vote with your money. Buying ATVI stock instead of buying Starcraft 2 or WoW subscriptions might make a difference, but it will also give them money in the process. At the end of the day no one can do what we all want to do which is fire Bobby Kotdick from the company and sue him on multiple counts of mismanagement and wrongful dismissal - no severance package, no golden handshake, no red carpet. A swift kick in the butt and a lawsuit to boot.
It's not an either/or. You can buy the game and buy the stock if you're so inclined.
But fine if you feel so strongly about this dude and the direction he is taking Activision/Blizzard then SHORT the stock and profit from the eventual destruction of the brand names this man is committing. I have a feeling that you're right and he is doing the above. If this guy crashes and burns all these quality brands he's going to get fired but only the consumer has that power.
Again vote with your money.
edit: I forgot to add that if you're going to short the stock then don't buy the game unless you're hedging. o_O
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