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On May 28 2010 06:06 QueueQueue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 05:53 Amnesia wrote:
Fuck SC2. lol. Seriously. Who wants to watch a retarded 1a game that takes so little skill whatsoever?
If SC1 dies I will quit the Starcraft scene for good. Shows how little you know about the game. The people that play like this lose, terribly. The option to play the game in a "skill-less" manner is present, however doing so makes you lose.
The fact you've never posted in the BW forums doesn't make you qualified to judge the skill level of SC2 against BW; come back and say that once you've got to C+ on iCCup.
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On May 28 2010 05:58 Calidus wrote:
Why are poeple worried about an monopoly? Every Major sports league(NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, MLS) in the US in a monopoly. granted by the government. I believe Europe operates the same way for the most part(Football/American Soccer being the expection?). This also open the door for a players union. Does anyone really think blizzard really wants to micro manage a pro-league? They would much rather just beable collect a royality check and have the final say large issues.
Board games do tend to be a better analogy. Anyone can buy monopoly and play it but if you have a tournment and sell tickets to it then you need MB permission and might have to play them a royality.
The best part is none of this matters is North and South Korea start ww3 and drag china and the US into it.
Kespa hold a monopoly at the moment over the pro teams, just look at the way they shunted GOM when they wanted a season 3.
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On May 28 2010 06:16 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 06:06 QueueQueue wrote:On May 28 2010 05:53 Amnesia wrote:
Fuck SC2. lol. Seriously. Who wants to watch a retarded 1a game that takes so little skill whatsoever?
If SC1 dies I will quit the Starcraft scene for good. Shows how little you know about the game. The people that play like this lose, terribly. The option to play the game in a "skill-less" manner is present, however doing so makes you lose. The fact you've never posted in the BW forums doesn't make you qualified to judge the skill level of SC2 against BW; come back and say that once you've got to C+ on iCCup.
Eh, D+ would be more than enough for him.
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On May 28 2010 06:16 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
This sucks unbelievably much.
It's only a matter of time until we'll have to pay for even a "simply decent' stream to watch sc2. Even if there will be a free one, it will be totally unwatchable, on purpose of course to push the audience into buying the paid stream (wcg anyone??).
Now hang on to your horses for banning permission of (free?) live streaming folks!!
you need a tinfoil hat.
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when gaming and competetive gaming will be part of literally every kids life everywhere in Europe (like it is in the most developed countreys already). It's still just a problem of social paradigm. But that will change soon enough, I'm sure.
I dont think this will ever happen in europe. Gaming is and always will be quite "underground" and will never really be accepted as a sport here.
Also European E-sport isn't on the rise at all. A lot of sponsors are dropping and tournaments are having a lot of financial problems the last year. Prize money not paid, player salary not paid and so on. ESL is the only flagship left in europe.
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On May 28 2010 06:16 Garrl wrote:
The fact you've never posted in the BW forums doesn't make you qualified to judge the skill level of SC2 against BW; come back and say that once you've got to C+ on iCCup.
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Wow, are you so jaded by your dislike of SC2 that you completely misread my post, or was it just a short coming of your lack of brain function? Please, enlighten me as to where in my post I contrasted the skill level of SC1 to SC2. If I remember correctly, I stated that "1A"ing was an easy way to lose. I at no point stated that SC1 required less skill than SC2. My statement was 100% independent of SC1. Please read before you blatantly attack someone.
On another note, I didn't post on TL during my time playing on ICCUP, only read the forums. So for you to make that statement is just plain ignorant and immature.
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On May 28 2010 06:18 wiesel wrote:Show nested quote +when gaming and competetive gaming will be part of literally every kids life everywhere in Europe (like it is in the most developed countreys already). It's still just a problem of social paradigm. But that will change soon enough, I'm sure. I dont think this will ever happen in europe. Gaming is and always will be quite "underground" and will never really be accepted as a sport here. .
We're both from Germany right? No matter where I look, literally every kid (or young adult) has a Wii, PS3, or XBOX360 and plays regularily. Our social paradigm is currently dominated by the older generation (who also still run the big companies), but as soon as they "die off" (as weird as it sounds) that will change, certainly. I for one will encourage my kids to play games, I will introduce as many people to eSports as possible.
Just think about it. 15 years ago, someone who was surfing the internet discussing with people on the internet was always considered a nerd / geek, and now everyone spends at least a couple of hours at their PC (at least in our generation).
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Can any korean speaking/understanding TL user post some more netizen comments here? What is the overall feel amongst the korean fanbase over on fomos?
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Casual gaming is on the rise everywhere ok, but that has nothing to do with e-sport imho.
Still, i wouldn't want my kids to spend 12 hours a day on a computer playing video games . Yea i did it myself too but i think it was wasted time.
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On May 28 2010 06:11 orgon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 05:53 Amnesia wrote:
Fuck SC2. lol. Seriously. Who wants to watch a retarded 1a game that takes so little skill whatsoever?
If SC1 dies I will quit the Starcraft scene for good. ^Bai In all seriousness if you own something, someone else can't profit 100% from it. It's called royalties, and Blizz has every right to collect royalties on every game that is broadcast for profit by the Korean companies. This is how the business world works but if Kespa goes to court well there the business world doesn't operate because judges/politicians can be bought off. That sounds jaded but its the truth. Regardless I think SC2 will be more of an international esport and there will be less focus on Korea as the leader. In fact I could care less about SC1 except maybe the finals of some event. I mean just take a look at the streams on this site, I haven't seen anybody personally stream their own SC1 games in a long time.
What's your point? KeSPA agreed to more than that. T____T
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On May 28 2010 06:40 wiesel wrote:Casual gaming is on the rise everywhere ok, but that has nothing to do with e-sport imho. Still, i wouldn't want my kids to spend 12 hours a day on a computer playing video games . Yea i did it myself too but i think it was wasted time.
Casual gaming is only a stepping stone in the direction of e-Sports. The more gamers there are, the more will find out about esports and actively engage it in, right? But that's not the reason it's important. Casual gaming is important because it effectively changes the views of people on gaming and extensive gaming, and thus on eSports. That will open eSports to a wider potential audience.
Think about normal sports. Many many people engage in all kinds of sports for various reasons, but only very few of them do it to be competetive. Just think about the amount of people who watch soccer and compared to that the amount of people who actually play soccer, if only from time to time. Our games like BW are exactly the same (well, they're much harder to be good at than most real-life sports), the ONLY difference is the way people look at it... and I'm absolutely convinced that that will change once the old conservative politicians and CEOs are out of the way.
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On May 28 2010 06:52 heishe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 06:40 wiesel wrote:Casual gaming is on the rise everywhere ok, but that has nothing to do with e-sport imho. Still, i wouldn't want my kids to spend 12 hours a day on a computer playing video games . Yea i did it myself too but i think it was wasted time. . Just think about the amount of people who watch soccer and compared to that the amount of people who actually play soccer, if only from time to time. Our games like BW are exactly the same (well, they're much harder to be good at than most real-life sports)
As an aside, this line is either a terrible affront to anyone who plays those "Real life sports", or a lack of knowledge of what's required to be "good" at sports the way people are "good" at BW. As someone who poured countless hours into Basketball, I'd say BW is at the very LEAST on par on how hard or easy it is to be good at other sports..
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On May 28 2010 06:52 heishe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 06:40 wiesel wrote:Casual gaming is on the rise everywhere ok, but that has nothing to do with e-sport imho. Still, i wouldn't want my kids to spend 12 hours a day on a computer playing video games . Yea i did it myself too but i think it was wasted time. Casual gaming is only a stepping stone in the direction of e-Sports. The more gamers there are, the more will find out about esports and actively engage it in, right? But that's not the reason it's important. Casual gaming is important because it effectively changes the views of people on gaming and extensive gaming, and thus on eSports. That will open eSports to a wider potential audience. Think about normal sports. Many many people engage in all kinds of sports for various reasons, but only very few of them do it to be competetive. Just think about the amount of people who watch soccer and compared to that the amount of people who actually play soccer, if only from time to time. Our games like BW are exactly the same (well, they're much harder to be good at than most real-life sports), the ONLY difference is the way people look at it... and I'm absolutely convinced that that will change once the old conservative politicians and CEOs are out of the way.
Well, I disagree. The vast majority of casual players (from my experience) are more negative towards esports than non-gamers (who couldn't care less most of the time).
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On May 28 2010 07:06 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2010 06:52 heishe wrote:On May 28 2010 06:40 wiesel wrote:Casual gaming is on the rise everywhere ok, but that has nothing to do with e-sport imho. Still, i wouldn't want my kids to spend 12 hours a day on a computer playing video games . Yea i did it myself too but i think it was wasted time. Casual gaming is only a stepping stone in the direction of e-Sports. The more gamers there are, the more will find out about esports and actively engage it in, right? But that's not the reason it's important. Casual gaming is important because it effectively changes the views of people on gaming and extensive gaming, and thus on eSports. That will open eSports to a wider potential audience. Think about normal sports. Many many people engage in all kinds of sports for various reasons, but only very few of them do it to be competetive. Just think about the amount of people who watch soccer and compared to that the amount of people who actually play soccer, if only from time to time. Our games like BW are exactly the same (well, they're much harder to be good at than most real-life sports), the ONLY difference is the way people look at it... and I'm absolutely convinced that that will change once the old conservative politicians and CEOs are out of the way. Well, I disagree. The vast majority of casual players (from my experience) are more negative towards esports than non-gamers (who couldn't care less most of the time).
I'm a little skeptical of that claim. Most of the anti-eSports sentiment is just hatred towards "tourneyfags", mainly those of the Super Smash Bros. variety. GomTV enjoyed a very large casual audience, a lot of whom who got into e-Sports primarily because of it. I don't think casuals really hate e-Sports so much as they hate the type of people who act incredibly elitist over it.
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Can someone give a short list of people in this community who actually have some degree of expertise in how the whole system of Korean progaming works? It's getting hard to filter actual information from rants by people who are just making stuff up
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Great news!!! I'm nostalgic 'bout Tastless and SDM's VODs!
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Wait, so only MBC's getting screwed over?
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On May 28 2010 07:17 TheBearPaw wrote:
Great news!!! I'm nostalgic 'bout Tastless and SDM's VODs!
you will need to pay for watch them , and you dont care about sc1 dying because of blizzard being greedy ?
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I don't get why TL is so upset by this
If Blizzard doesn't kill BW, Kim Jong Il will
Would you rather have an empty OGN building, or one in ruins after an artillery strike?
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On May 28 2010 07:24 Tankbusta wrote:
I don't get why TL is so upset by this
If Blizzard doesn't kill BW, Kim Jong Il will
Would you rather have an empty OGN building, or one in ruins after an artillery strike?
are you stupid?
good or bad, this will hurt the scene
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