On May 27 2010 23:21 FoxSpirit wrote: For people having trouble with the copyright:
Games, like movies are sold with an individual license for private use. You are not allowed to use them commercially to make any profit off of them without pior written consent of the IP holder. Even non profit public showings are affected by this in theory though companies normaly simply turn a blind eye to them. Though look on youtube, music companies have been on a rampage, deleting background tracks for fan videos left and right.
As far as the content, the replay, goes, yes, that's yours and you can do with it as you please.
Some people mentioned Word or Photoshop, it's the same. You buy it, you get a private license. The text you write, the images you create are yours. But you are NOT allowed to install your Photoshop on a publically accessible computer or give public live demosntrations using the software. Such actions would again require the consent of the program creator, usualy involving a public license.
If you have any more questions, ask away :-)
That's all fine and merry with the current law. But what if I want to sell my text I write with Word or the picture I create with Photoshop? Am I not allowed to do that?
If that is the case, then the law should be changed.
Well, Word as well as Photoshop offer you the possibility to transfer your work to a non-proprietary format. For text, this could be rtf, txt, pdf or a sheet of paper. All things that detach the resipient of the need to use word. With photoshop you have various picture formats to the same effect. You can even hand out the psd but then the recipient also needs to have photoshop to view it.
With Starcraft, you have the replay file. What's special about it is that you have NO other chance to watch it other than using Starcraft. And you have no license to show Starcraft publically. The only way to get around this would be creating a custom replay viewer which is completely of your own creation which reads the Starcraft replay files.
Mind you, there would still be a legal battle but I'm quite sure this would go through. But I doubt this would be reasonable in any way.
On May 27 2010 23:21 FoxSpirit wrote: For people having trouble with the copyright:
Games, like movies are sold with an individual license for private use. You are not allowed to use them commercially to make any profit off of them without pior written consent of the IP holder. Even non profit public showings are affected by this in theory though companies normaly simply turn a blind eye to them. Though look on youtube, music companies have been on a rampage, deleting background tracks for fan videos left and right.
As far as the content, the replay, goes, yes, that's yours and you can do with it as you please.
Some people mentioned Word or Photoshop, it's the same. You buy it, you get a private license. The text you write, the images you create are yours. But you are NOT allowed to install your Photoshop on a publically accessible computer or give public live demosntrations using the software. Such actions would again require the consent of the program creator, usualy involving a public license.
If you have any more questions, ask away :-)
That's all fine and merry with the current law. But what if I want to sell my text I write with Word or the picture I create with Photoshop? Am I not allowed to do that?
If that is the case, then the law should be changed.
Well, Word as well as Photoshop offer you the possibility to transfer your work to a non-proprietary format. For text, this could be rtf, txt, pdf or a sheet of paper. All things that detach the resipient of the need to use word. With photoshop you have various picture formats to the same effect. You can even hand out the psd but then the recipient also needs to have photoshop to view it.
With Starcraft, you have the replay file. What's special about it is that you have NO other chance to watch it other than using Starcraft. And you have no license to show Starcraft publically. The only way to get around this would be creating a custom replay viewer which is completely of your own creation which reads the Starcraft replay files.
Mind you, there would still be a legal battle but I'm quite sure this would go through. But I doubt this would be reasonable in any way.
Word/photoshop and starcraft are very different. You're typing your own creation in Word, making your own picture in photoshop. While starcraft has game design, artwork, storyline, sounds, etc, that are created soley by blizzard. This is like if you were publishing a book and copy pasted other peoples books into your book and tried to sell it without acknowledging them... You can argue your creating original content but in the end your still using some elses INTELECTUAL PROPERTY to make it.
On May 28 2010 03:12 Senx wrote: In what way are major sponsors more interested in a korean exclusive league compared to a global league?
How on earth do people come to the conclusion that GOMTV/Blizzard won't pick up any major sponsors, when the sponsors main objective for these types of of events is to get maximum exposure.
Global exposure compared to national exposure.. hmmm.
And to people who think the SC2 scene will be dead in 2-3 years, you seriously think the game will just die as the last expansion hits the stores? I don't see Blizzard messing up THAT badly.
The thing is... Korean e-sports is more of a korean publicity stunt than a self-sustaining sport. All of those organizations own the infrastructure of E-sports in Korea. They control the creation of new players, the direction of teams and have great advertising power.
I think this will end well for anyone who does NOT live in Korea. I think using gomTV to broadcast really makes Americans happy because we love Tastless & SDM. I know I got mad at Kespa for what they pulled (stopping player from competing). Honestly, what did they think blizz would do after the things they pulled. I am just suprised that blizz isn't being nastier at Kespa. It's not like Kespa has tried to keep Blizzard's interest in mind.
Please stop talking about SDM, he was a funny guy - sure, but an absolutely horrible commentator with zero insight, choppy english and that only brought tasteless down to a worse level than he was at previously.
Id much rather see Tasteless/Artosis or Tasteless/Day 9.
On May 27 2010 23:21 FoxSpirit wrote: For people having trouble with the copyright:
Games, like movies are sold with an individual license for private use. You are not allowed to use them commercially to make any profit off of them without pior written consent of the IP holder. Even non profit public showings are affected by this in theory though companies normaly simply turn a blind eye to them. Though look on youtube, music companies have been on a rampage, deleting background tracks for fan videos left and right.
As far as the content, the replay, goes, yes, that's yours and you can do with it as you please.
Some people mentioned Word or Photoshop, it's the same. You buy it, you get a private license. The text you write, the images you create are yours. But you are NOT allowed to install your Photoshop on a publically accessible computer or give public live demosntrations using the software. Such actions would again require the consent of the program creator, usualy involving a public license.
If you have any more questions, ask away :-)
That's all fine and merry with the current law. But what if I want to sell my text I write with Word or the picture I create with Photoshop? Am I not allowed to do that?
If that is the case, then the law should be changed.
Well, Word as well as Photoshop offer you the possibility to transfer your work to a non-proprietary format. For text, this could be rtf, txt, pdf or a sheet of paper. All things that detach the resipient of the need to use word. With photoshop you have various picture formats to the same effect. You can even hand out the psd but then the recipient also needs to have photoshop to view it.
With Starcraft, you have the replay file. What's special about it is that you have NO other chance to watch it other than using Starcraft. And you have no license to show Starcraft publically. The only way to get around this would be creating a custom replay viewer which is completely of your own creation which reads the Starcraft replay files.
Mind you, there would still be a legal battle but I'm quite sure this would go through. But I doubt this would be reasonable in any way.
Word/photoshop and starcraft are very different. You're typing your own creation in Word, making your own picture in photoshop. While starcraft has game design, artwork, storyline, sounds, etc, that are created soley by blizzard. This is like if you were publishing a book and copy pasted other peoples books into your book and tried to sell it without acknowledging them... You can argue your creating original content but in the end your still using some elses INTELECTUAL PROPERTY to make it.
Legally, they're the exact same thing. Every software developer has the right to just write in the EULA that the software output is copyrighted as he pleases. Many have done so and it has caused many trouble in the past, so most avoid doing so. Adobe could say that the pictures you make in photoshop belong to them. But they don't do so.
The sc 1 EULA doesn't mention software output nor replays at any point. So, legally, they do not own it. They might change that for sc2.
Of course, laws are no exact science. It's all bound to interpretation. Many laws are not clearly written and often incomplete, specially when dealing with IP. Jurisprudence on many related topics have just never been done.
Bottom line: there's no black and white of what is right and wrong here, like many of you are saying. And Blizzard will just tilt the gray area over to what side makes them more money. That is all that he means with "protecting our intellectual property": protecting his money. KESPA didn't want to share the cake, GOM did.
On May 28 2010 08:11 Senx wrote: Please stop talking about SDM, he was a funny guy - sure, but an absolutely horrible commentator with zero insight, choppy english and that only brought tasteless down to a worse level than he was at previously.
Id much rather see Tasteless/Artosis or Tasteless/Day 9.
I agree. SDM was more comic relief than an actual commentator.
So does this apply to the private cups like Craftcup, Zotac, HDH, and the hundreds of other tournies we see right now in the beta? They cant seriously think that all the craft cups and 100 dollar tournaments will have to negotiate with gomtv? if they do they will have literally killed e-sports. Because none of those tournaments will continue to exist if they have to negotiate rates with gomtv. not to mention their low quality streams are fucking garbage, and I for one wont be paying to watch streams of starcraft that are watchable.
On May 28 2010 10:46 Darpa wrote: So does this apply to the private cups like Craftcup, Zotac, HDH, and the hundreds of other tournies we see right now in the beta? They cant seriously think that all the craft cups and 100 dollar tournaments will have to negotiate with gomtv? if they do they will have literally killed e-sports. Because none of those tournaments will continue to exist if they have to negotiate rates with gomtv. not to mention their low quality streams are fucking garbage, and I for one wont be paying to watch streams of starcraft that are watchable.
According to the OP, GomTV holds the rights for Korea, not the world.
Back to topic. As i recall (from another topic on these forums, I might be wrong) Korean laws on secondary intellectual right are not the same as US laws, more like, there are none. They bought the game (SC:BW), how and for what they use it is not blizzards business (although they are desperate to make it so).
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