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The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive? So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming? Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that?
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99% sure 'Streak' Battles are just the newbie name for the Korean All-Kill clan war system.
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"Blizzard’s intention towards e-Sports is not to ‘dominate’ it and create excessive profits from it."
This made me laugh. Wtf, they think we are blind?? They keep talking about "intellectual property rights", but what they asked from Kespa in those negotiations was just insane and very obvious for Kespa not to accept it. I'll hate myself for buying their game ...
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On May 27 2010 19:34 epi wrote: This is the nuclear option. I don't think Blizzard thinks that they can run anything close to what OGN and MBC have going with SC1. I don't think they care. This is about showing Kespa that they mean business, and they are perfectly okay with killing the SC1 scene and having a smaller SC2 scene If blizz goes through with this I hope they cop a serious player backlash. Such a greedy company, they don't give a fuck about esports. SC2 will just be another WC3 and this will be a huge step backwards.
On May 27 2010 19:39 mawno wrote: This is great news!
All these low post sc2 idiots slanting the poll
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On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote: The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive? So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming? Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right?
that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports.
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OGN and MBC don't recognize Blizzard's IP. So, in their POV, why should they stop broadcasting?
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On May 27 2010 19:32 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:30 dethrawr wrote:On May 27 2010 19:28 Garrl wrote: Because there will be no more tournaments BUT GOM's, they'll have a monopoly.
Whats the difference with kespa having the monopoly of RIGHTS for broadcasting, than gomtv having them? OSL/MSL will continue to run (if OGN/MBC want to run them), and im sure GOM will negotiate OGN/MBC to split PL broadcasting rights. Because KesPA is a corporation, GOM is a company - GOM wants to knock out it's competitors, which is why they won't license OSL/MSL. That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far. Why would GOM kill off all the BW leagues... they would be the most hated company in E-Sports if they did that. No one would watch their leagues with all the bad press, fan outrage, etc. Also, they don't even have access to the BW players themselves, when it comes to running their BW league. Obviously... they would just negotiate a deal with KeSPA for broadcasting rights of PL/MSL/OSL.
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On May 27 2010 19:45 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:32 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 19:30 dethrawr wrote:On May 27 2010 19:28 Garrl wrote: Because there will be no more tournaments BUT GOM's, they'll have a monopoly.
Whats the difference with kespa having the monopoly of RIGHTS for broadcasting, than gomtv having them? OSL/MSL will continue to run (if OGN/MBC want to run them), and im sure GOM will negotiate OGN/MBC to split PL broadcasting rights. Because KesPA is a corporation, GOM is a company - GOM wants to knock out it's competitors, which is why they won't license OSL/MSL. That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far. Why would GOM kill off all the BW leagues... they would be the most hated company in E-Sports if they did that. No one would watch their leagues with all the bad press, fan outrage, etc. Obviously... they would just negotiate a deal with KeSPA for broadcasting rights of PL/MSL/OSL.
Because they are stupid and at war with Kespa since their Gomtv starleague. That's the reason.
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GOMTV has always been fantastic and I can only imagine it will get better backed like this. Been missing Tasteless's commentaries during SC2 coverage, can't wait for him to be back in full gear. SDM complements him perfectly too
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On May 27 2010 19:43 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote: The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive? So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming? Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right? that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports. The reason why progamers are able to live in team houses (Free food, maids, living quarters, and practice area) and earn a salary is because of the corporate sponsors that are behind Kespa. Without these sponsors. Korean "progamers" will be playing SC2 like foreigners, which is to try to win 1st place in tournaments for the prize money.
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On May 27 2010 19:47 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:45 teamsolid wrote:On May 27 2010 19:32 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 19:30 dethrawr wrote:On May 27 2010 19:28 Garrl wrote: Because there will be no more tournaments BUT GOM's, they'll have a monopoly.
Whats the difference with kespa having the monopoly of RIGHTS for broadcasting, than gomtv having them? OSL/MSL will continue to run (if OGN/MBC want to run them), and im sure GOM will negotiate OGN/MBC to split PL broadcasting rights. Because KesPA is a corporation, GOM is a company - GOM wants to knock out it's competitors, which is why they won't license OSL/MSL. That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far. Why would GOM kill off all the BW leagues... they would be the most hated company in E-Sports if they did that. No one would watch their leagues with all the bad press, fan outrage, etc. Obviously... they would just negotiate a deal with KeSPA for broadcasting rights of PL/MSL/OSL. Because they are stupid and at war with Kespa since their Gomtv starleague. That's the reason. It doesn't matter... they don't even HAVE any of the players... except the CJ team. What're they gonna do broadcast CJ in-house matches? And companies aren't just "at war" for no reason... this is obviously mutually beneficial to negotiate a deal.
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On May 27 2010 19:45 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:32 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 19:30 dethrawr wrote:On May 27 2010 19:28 Garrl wrote: Because there will be no more tournaments BUT GOM's, they'll have a monopoly.
Whats the difference with kespa having the monopoly of RIGHTS for broadcasting, than gomtv having them? OSL/MSL will continue to run (if OGN/MBC want to run them), and im sure GOM will negotiate OGN/MBC to split PL broadcasting rights. Because KesPA is a corporation, GOM is a company - GOM wants to knock out it's competitors, which is why they won't license OSL/MSL. That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far. Why would GOM kill off all the BW leagues... they would be the most hated company in E-Sports if they did that. No one would watch their leagues with all the bad press, fan outrage, etc. Obviously... they would just negotiate a deal with KeSPA for broadcasting rights of PL/MSL/OSL.
They might not kill them off, but they'll charge a lot of money for the right to broadcast games - meaning that, like last year's MSL, you get tiny turnouts and laggy streams because they had to spend their whole budget on licensing their tournaments.
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On May 27 2010 19:48 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:43 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote: The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive? So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming? Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right? that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports. The reason why progamers are able to live in team houses (Free food, maids, living quarters, and practice area) and earn a salary is because of the corporate sponsors that are behind Kespa. Without these sponsors. Korean "progamers" will be playing SC2 like foreigners, which is to try to win 1st place in tournaments for the prize money. oh i know that. i'm just saying if kespa's motivation were as pure as they'd claimed this would only affect them positively. they don't have to worry about paying for broadcasting rights, they don't have to worry about running tournaments, all they have to do is sponsor the teams which they seemed to have no problem doing before. so what's changed that would want to make kespa pull out?
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Heres to hoping that everything works out nicely. Exclusive rights does not mean that the other leagues cant exist. Remember, if KeSPA has all of the broadcasting and players, its likely that they would negotiate a deal between each other. Blizzard signing with Gom just means that they are protecting their game from the greedy bastards of KeSPA (yes, KeSPA is greedy since they refuse to acknowledge Blizzard... honestly who the hell sells IP that isnt their own?)
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On May 27 2010 19:49 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:45 teamsolid wrote:On May 27 2010 19:32 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 19:30 dethrawr wrote:On May 27 2010 19:28 Garrl wrote: Because there will be no more tournaments BUT GOM's, they'll have a monopoly.
Whats the difference with kespa having the monopoly of RIGHTS for broadcasting, than gomtv having them? OSL/MSL will continue to run (if OGN/MBC want to run them), and im sure GOM will negotiate OGN/MBC to split PL broadcasting rights. Because KesPA is a corporation, GOM is a company - GOM wants to knock out it's competitors, which is why they won't license OSL/MSL. That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far. Why would GOM kill off all the BW leagues... they would be the most hated company in E-Sports if they did that. No one would watch their leagues with all the bad press, fan outrage, etc. Obviously... they would just negotiate a deal with KeSPA for broadcasting rights of PL/MSL/OSL. They might not kill them off, but they'll charge a lot of money for the right to broadcast games - meaning that, like last year's MSL, you get tiny turnouts and laggy streams because they had to spend their whole budget on licensing their tournaments. And you know this how? These are KOREAN companies, so clearly they know how much money there really is in E-Sports. They're not dumb, they won't charge outrageous fees if it's simply not feasible. Just like how KeSPa "sold off broadcasting rights" to the TV channels... that didn't kill off E-Sports did it? Don't be ridiculous.
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On May 27 2010 19:53 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:49 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 19:45 teamsolid wrote:On May 27 2010 19:32 Garrl wrote:On May 27 2010 19:30 dethrawr wrote:On May 27 2010 19:28 Garrl wrote: Because there will be no more tournaments BUT GOM's, they'll have a monopoly.
Whats the difference with kespa having the monopoly of RIGHTS for broadcasting, than gomtv having them? OSL/MSL will continue to run (if OGN/MBC want to run them), and im sure GOM will negotiate OGN/MBC to split PL broadcasting rights. Because KesPA is a corporation, GOM is a company - GOM wants to knock out it's competitors, which is why they won't license OSL/MSL. That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far. Why would GOM kill off all the BW leagues... they would be the most hated company in E-Sports if they did that. No one would watch their leagues with all the bad press, fan outrage, etc. Obviously... they would just negotiate a deal with KeSPA for broadcasting rights of PL/MSL/OSL. They might not kill them off, but they'll charge a lot of money for the right to broadcast games - meaning that, like last year's MSL, you get tiny turnouts and laggy streams because they had to spend their whole budget on licensing their tournaments. And you know this how? These are KOREAN companies, so clearly they know how much money there really is in E-Sports. They're not dumb, they won't charge outrageous fees if it's simply not feasible. Just like how KeSPa "sold off broadcasting rights" to the TV channels... that didn't kill off E-Sports did it? Don't be ridiculous.
You don't konw much about business do you ? :D
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On May 27 2010 19:42 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:34 epi wrote: This is the nuclear option. I don't think Blizzard thinks that they can run anything close to what OGN and MBC have going with SC1. I don't think they care. This is about showing Kespa that they mean business, and they are perfectly okay with killing the SC1 scene and having a smaller SC2 scene If blizz goes through with this I hope they cop a serious player backlash. Such a greedy company, they don't give a fuck about esports. SC2 will just be another WC3 and this will be a huge step backwards. All these low post sc2 idiots slanting the poll 
Joined TL.net before you so stfu. This is the best way to make E-Sports grow, both in Korea and elsewhere.
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Someone should set up a 2 foreign sponsored korean pro teams.
If we all pay 5 bucks a month each should buy plenty of noodles and housing. lawl
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On May 27 2010 19:51 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:48 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 19:43 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote: The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive? So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming? Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right? that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports. The reason why progamers are able to live in team houses (Free food, maids, living quarters, and practice area) and earn a salary is because of the corporate sponsors that are behind Kespa. Without these sponsors. Korean "progamers" will be playing SC2 like foreigners, which is to try to win 1st place in tournaments for the prize money. oh i know that. i'm just saying if kespa's motivation were as pure as they'd claimed this would only affect them positively. they don't have to worry about paying for broadcasting rights, they don't have to worry about running tournaments, all they have to do is sponsor the teams which they seemed to have no problem doing before. so what's changed that would want to make kespa pull out? Any of the reasons (listed in the Kespa speaks out on IP rights thread) why they couldn't come to an agreement with blizzard in the first place?
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