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On May 27 2010 20:12 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:05 Puosu wrote:
Guys on KESPA's side:
Read the recent Korean article translated by l10f "The Reality Of Progaming"
I think that article shows perfectly how the current progaming scene really needs an overhaul, Blizzard might fuck up and we'll have to go a few years back in time.. on the other hand they might do it right and e-sports will finally become something of a real career choice and not just child labour since 13 years old 14 hours a day. I have read the article. I don't understand why do people think more money will go to these players if Blizzard wants to a cut. Fundamental law of esports Business Money that goes into esports = Money that goes out. If you take away the corporate sponsors, there's less money coming in. If you add Blizzard who will take money out of esports. Players will have a even smaller share of the pie.
Except that blizzard has no interest in taking money out of esports, only to use esports to sell more games.
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I don't like it when a singe company want to monopoly everything.
Korean government should take over all e-sport activity so that no damn company can have any control in it.
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This is getting so crazy.
Ppl were angry with Kespa and wanting it out, and when it finally happens, omg fu** greedy Blizzard.
Thats insane.
And to T.O.P.:
The market is much more complex than "need corporate sponsors" and "blizzard want 50% of corporate sponsors money", and "corporate sponsors yadda yadda".
When SC2 launch its gonna be a blockbuster, there will be a lot of money involved and i doubt "corporate sponsors" want to be left out of it and lose the oportunity.
Even if the whole progaming scene crashes, chances are the natural flow of the business market will find a way to make it possible again, because there are a huge amount of others things related to that.
And i doubt this happens so soon with SC2 launch.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
On May 27 2010 20:12 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:06 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2010 19:48 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 19:43 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote:
The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive?
So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming?
Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right? that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports. The reason why progamers are able to live in team houses (Free food, maids, living quarters, and practice area) and earn a salary is because of the corporate sponsors that are behind Kespa. Without these sponsors. Korean "progamers" will be playing SC2 like foreigners, which is to try to win 1st place in tournaments for the prize money. If the sponsors are paying for the team houses and salary, and they did before... this change wont effect that at all. Sponsors = paying players Television + game advertising = paying KeSPA KeSPA = paying GomTV GomTV = paying blizz Television + game advertising + Sponsors = Situation now where teams only pay 10K to bottom A teamers and 200k to stars. If Blizzard wants 50% of the sponsorship income, then teams will have no money to pay the players after subtracting the costs of production. corporate (non-kespa) sponsors + ad revenue > cost of starleague brand marketing + keeping esports alive > cost of sponsoring team this doesn't really change all that much unless kespa has something to lose in not running starleagues aka cash.
What if that's not true? You have Blizzard here raising the cost of running a pro gaming team. There's going to be teams that think it's not worth it to sponsor a esports team anymore because they need to cut spending due to the economic depression. There's going to be teams that will reduce player salaries in order to pay for Blizzard's broadcasting fee.
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On May 27 2010 20:18 mawno wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:12 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:05 Puosu wrote:
Guys on KESPA's side:
Read the recent Korean article translated by l10f "The Reality Of Progaming"
I think that article shows perfectly how the current progaming scene really needs an overhaul, Blizzard might fuck up and we'll have to go a few years back in time.. on the other hand they might do it right and e-sports will finally become something of a real career choice and not just child labour since 13 years old 14 hours a day. I have read the article. I don't understand why do people think more money will go to these players if Blizzard wants to a cut. Fundamental law of esports Business Money that goes into esports = Money that goes out. If you take away the corporate sponsors, there's less money coming in. If you add Blizzard who will take money out of esports. Players will have a even smaller share of the pie. Except that blizzard has no interest in taking money out of esports, only to use esports to sell more games.
If that's true, they would work with Kespa right?
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On May 27 2010 20:22 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:18 mawno wrote:On May 27 2010 20:12 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:05 Puosu wrote:
Guys on KESPA's side:
Read the recent Korean article translated by l10f "The Reality Of Progaming"
I think that article shows perfectly how the current progaming scene really needs an overhaul, Blizzard might fuck up and we'll have to go a few years back in time.. on the other hand they might do it right and e-sports will finally become something of a real career choice and not just child labour since 13 years old 14 hours a day. I have read the article. I don't understand why do people think more money will go to these players if Blizzard wants to a cut. Fundamental law of esports Business Money that goes into esports = Money that goes out. If you take away the corporate sponsors, there's less money coming in. If you add Blizzard who will take money out of esports. Players will have a even smaller share of the pie. Except that blizzard has no interest in taking money out of esports, only to use esports to sell more games. If that's true, they would work with Kespa right?
Wrong.
So much more things involved that you must be kidding saying it that simple.
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so we are finally going to see tasteless again? :D
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On May 27 2010 20:18 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:12 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2010 20:09 KlaCkoN wrote:On May 27 2010 20:05 Puosu wrote:
Guys on KESPA's side:
Read the recent Korean article translated by l10f "The Reality Of Progaming"
I think that article shows perfectly how the current progaming scene really needs an overhaul, Blizzard might fuck up and we'll have to go a few years back in time.. on the other hand they might do it right and e-sports will finally become something of a real career choice and not just child labour since 13 years old 14 hours a day.
Seeing as CJ which is a very wealthy company owns GomTV and they should know a lot about the progaming scene in Korea as they have their own team etc. I believe its a great move that Blizzard has decided to partner up with them. Blizzard is not actually "handling" anything at all though. The only thing the are doing is adding another cost to the running of a pro gamer team. They don't seem to be investing any money of their own. At the very very best the current orginizers agree to pay off Gom and things continue as normal, except for the fact that the money to pay Gom (actually blizzard via Gom) needs to come from somewhere. And that somewhere will be the living conditions of the gamers. Again, PLAYER SPONSORS ARE NOT EFFECTED IN THE SLIGHTEST. The player sponsors do not pay KeSPA, GomTV, Blizzard, or anybody but the players/teams they are sponsoring. In return, that player/team wears their gear/suits/advertises for them. This entire thing has NOTHING to do with player sponsors. League sponsors maybe, but that will likely go unchanged as well since the league sponsors were already paying somebody. The only profits that are effected is KeSPA. Kespa ARE (mostly) made up by the player sponsors. For fucks sake this has been stated over and over.
what you're not getting is that no cost is incurred by kespa after GOM takes over running leagues, that is unless kespa was sponsoring teams at a loss to prop up the leagues which brought them money.
let's assume this isn't the case. team sponsors aka kespa isn't incurring any additional cost because of this change because kespa are team sponsors not league sponsors. korean air wasn't putting money in the hands of progamers.
however, if we assume that sponsoring teams is a losing proposition for kespa then we realize that kespa was indeed making profit from running the starleagues and their intentions were not as noble as they had stated.
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On May 27 2010 19:55 mawno wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 19:42 Scarecrow wrote:On May 27 2010 19:34 epi wrote:
This is the nuclear option. I don't think Blizzard thinks that they can run anything close to what OGN and MBC have going with SC1. I don't think they care. This is about showing Kespa that they mean business, and they are perfectly okay with killing the SC1 scene and having a smaller SC2 scene If blizz goes through with this I hope they cop a serious player backlash. Such a greedy company, they don't give a fuck about esports. SC2 will just be another WC3 and this will be a huge step backwards. On May 27 2010 19:39 mawno wrote:
This is great news!
All these low post sc2 idiots slanting the poll  Joined TL.net before you so stfu. This is the best way to make E-Sports grow, both in Korea and elsewhere.
Confining SC2 to GOMTV and creating a crappy, sponsorless internet-only scene is the "best way to make E-Sports grow"? Really?
Again, I'm not to worried about BW -- as long as CJ is still playing ball with the rest of KeSPA, OGN and MBC should still be able to broadcast BW. It's the SC2 scene that's going to suffer, at least until the game picks up in popularity.
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The people who think Kespa is some amazing entity are obviously close minded BW-only players who have not experienced competitive gaming outside of BW. PLAYERS make a game competitive, not corporations.
Even in worst case scenario where GOM TV fails and all leagues in Korea die, it will come back. There were some arguing over whether Blizz, Kespa or dumb luck was responsible for BW where it is today. Actually, it was all of the above, but mostly it was the PLAYERS. You have BOXER to thank for propelling Korean esports to the level it is now and basically bringing competitive SC as a whole to a NEW LEVEL.
That's the power of the player, not Kespa or Blizzard or anyone else.
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On May 27 2010 20:21 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:12 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 20:06 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2010 19:48 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 19:43 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote:
The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive?
So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming?
Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right? that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports. The reason why progamers are able to live in team houses (Free food, maids, living quarters, and practice area) and earn a salary is because of the corporate sponsors that are behind Kespa. Without these sponsors. Korean "progamers" will be playing SC2 like foreigners, which is to try to win 1st place in tournaments for the prize money. If the sponsors are paying for the team houses and salary, and they did before... this change wont effect that at all. Sponsors = paying players Television + game advertising = paying KeSPA KeSPA = paying GomTV GomTV = paying blizz Television + game advertising + Sponsors = Situation now where teams only pay 10K to bottom A teamers and 200k to stars. If Blizzard wants 50% of the sponsorship income, then teams will have no money to pay the players after subtracting the costs of production. corporate (non-kespa) sponsors + ad revenue > cost of starleague brand marketing + keeping esports alive > cost of sponsoring team this doesn't really change all that much unless kespa has something to lose in not running starleagues aka cash. What if that's not true? You have Blizzard here raising the cost of running a pro gaming team. There's going to be teams that think it's not worth it to sponsor a esports team anymore because they need to cut spending due to the economic depression. There's going to be teams that will reduce player salaries in order to pay for Blizzard's broadcasting fee.
the cost of running a team is not increasing due to broadcasting fees. the league sponsor (korean air, ever, bacchus, etc.) bears these fees and they have nothing to do with paying player salaries.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
On May 27 2010 20:26 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:21 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:12 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 20:06 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2010 19:48 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 19:43 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote:
The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive?
So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming?
Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right? that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports. The reason why progamers are able to live in team houses (Free food, maids, living quarters, and practice area) and earn a salary is because of the corporate sponsors that are behind Kespa. Without these sponsors. Korean "progamers" will be playing SC2 like foreigners, which is to try to win 1st place in tournaments for the prize money. If the sponsors are paying for the team houses and salary, and they did before... this change wont effect that at all. Sponsors = paying players Television + game advertising = paying KeSPA KeSPA = paying GomTV GomTV = paying blizz Television + game advertising + Sponsors = Situation now where teams only pay 10K to bottom A teamers and 200k to stars. If Blizzard wants 50% of the sponsorship income, then teams will have no money to pay the players after subtracting the costs of production. corporate (non-kespa) sponsors + ad revenue > cost of starleague brand marketing + keeping esports alive > cost of sponsoring team this doesn't really change all that much unless kespa has something to lose in not running starleagues aka cash. What if that's not true? You have Blizzard here raising the cost of running a pro gaming team. There's going to be teams that think it's not worth it to sponsor a esports team anymore because they need to cut spending due to the economic depression. There's going to be teams that will reduce player salaries in order to pay for Blizzard's broadcasting fee. the cost of running a team is not increasing due to broadcasting fees. the league sponsor (korean air, ever, bacchus, etc.) bears these fees and they have nothing to do with paying player salaries.
What if no sponsor is able to pay the raised fee? Did you forget that MSL have had problems finding a sponsor and that was a time when Blizzard and the MSL Finals power outage wasn't part of the picture?
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Let's just have a coffee and see Blizz's face owned by Korean.
Stupidity + Greed = epic fail
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Kespa will most likely just ignore Blizzard, they didn't care about Intellectual property before, why do so now?
However, I do believe that eSports are on the rise, and if Kespa gets shafted by this, most likely it will mean more power to the players. It's never good when the same organisation has monopoly on the players and the tournaments.
Ballsy move by Blizzard in either case, and I think it was for the best.
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Confining SC2 to GOMTV and creating a crappy, sponsorless internet-only scene is the "best way to make E-Sports grow"? Really?
Jesus, can you only see in black and white? GOMtv is going to expand something fierce, to all the venues they didn't have before. So many thick people in here who can't realize that things will not always stay the same and things will not always change for the worse.
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On May 27 2010 20:30 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:26 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 20:21 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:12 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 20:06 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 20:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2010 19:48 T.O.P. wrote:On May 27 2010 19:43 mahnini wrote:On May 27 2010 19:38 KlaCkoN wrote:
The way I understand it is that the companies making up kespa currently are the ones paying for the entire progaming scene. Rent for team houses, food, transportation, _salaries_ etc. If they are forced out of the picture by this then that means that progaming is thrown back to 2000? With the gamers living in crappy basements eating cheap ramen and competing for prize money as their only way to survive?
So blizzard essentially just killed _brood war_ progaming? Please someone tell me I am wrong >_<.
I can't see this ending well for Star2 either, To my understanding Gom was extremly unpopular in korea and who's going to sponsor them anyway since they just said fuck off to all the major companies intrested in investing in gaming?
Also I am quite sure I read somewhere on this site that OGN/MBC bought the rights to broadcast starcraft indefinetly from blizzard ages ago, what's up with that? why would this change the situation with sponsors? according to some people kespa didn't make money from progaming at all so GOMTV bearing the cost of running the tournaments should be a load off kespa's back. since kespa wasn't sponsoring / running the leagues for profit they'd have no problem switching over to GOMTV right? that is, unless kespa isn't just in it for the sake of esports. The reason why progamers are able to live in team houses (Free food, maids, living quarters, and practice area) and earn a salary is because of the corporate sponsors that are behind Kespa. Without these sponsors. Korean "progamers" will be playing SC2 like foreigners, which is to try to win 1st place in tournaments for the prize money. If the sponsors are paying for the team houses and salary, and they did before... this change wont effect that at all. Sponsors = paying players Television + game advertising = paying KeSPA KeSPA = paying GomTV GomTV = paying blizz Television + game advertising + Sponsors = Situation now where teams only pay 10K to bottom A teamers and 200k to stars. If Blizzard wants 50% of the sponsorship income, then teams will have no money to pay the players after subtracting the costs of production. corporate (non-kespa) sponsors + ad revenue > cost of starleague brand marketing + keeping esports alive > cost of sponsoring team this doesn't really change all that much unless kespa has something to lose in not running starleagues aka cash. What if that's not true? You have Blizzard here raising the cost of running a pro gaming team. There's going to be teams that think it's not worth it to sponsor a esports team anymore because they need to cut spending due to the economic depression. There's going to be teams that will reduce player salaries in order to pay for Blizzard's broadcasting fee. the cost of running a team is not increasing due to broadcasting fees. the league sponsor (korean air, ever, bacchus, etc.) bears these fees and they have nothing to do with paying player salaries. What if no sponsor is able to pay the raised fee? Did you forget that MSL have had problems finding a sponsor and that was a time when Blizzard and the MSL Finals power outage wasn't part of the picture?
if it is unappealing to sponsor a starleague i don't see how the introduction of broadcasting fees would make it significantly more so. if i'm correct in my assumption that kespa was essentially licensing out sc broadcasting rights for a fee anyway this won't change much.
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So it all began 10 years ago.
Back then, when a player was winning a tournament or a league in Korea, he had to pay the national tax rate of 27%, and hand over this to the gov.
Problem was that, gaming wasn't a work and gamers were really poor. Also, the culture office of the Korean gov. as it saw pro gaming getting bigger and beeing something new and unique to Korea and closely linked to the insane expansion of Korean network, decided it needed a legal tutorship for the scene to grow.
The very first step was to reduce the tax rate on the player's earnings, from 27% to 3%. To do this, culture office of the minister introduced pro gaming licenses. That was around when Elky got 2nd in WCG. Back then they would give a license to any gamer successfully ranking top 3 of any tournament.
That was the first step.
At the same time, OGN mainly, was trying to figure out a TV league format, that would draw sponsors to invest in their shows and at the same time, bring a 1v1 game, into a team game, so the sponsor sponsoring, wouldn't have to rely on a bunch of indivudals for their promotion, but rather on the image of a team or a club.
The original problem, to starcraft broadcasting was the lack of sponsorship. Even if you had one company sponsoring a league event, even with the good tv ratings, it wasn't enough money to make it grow.
Pro gaming actors back then, had to find a way to bring in more money to exist.
Basically, pro teams were lacking money, and so were the leagues to run.
The solution they came up with, was to involve in the business bigger companies, such as KT, Samsung and especially SK TELECOM, that basically shitted all over esports until they came to sponsor a team. I know that very well, because I got to talk with them back then about making a pro team, through the N.E.T. pc room manager and accountant, that were close to the CEOS of SK telecom (Yes hehe).
Also, while I was searching for a sponsor for Smuft and Elky in Korea, I got to meet KTF officials that were planing maybe to make a pro team, rather than sponsor only a few individuals, and with samsung khan as well, that was back then, only a gaming club not providing any form of salary to its players.
( They wanted Smuft and we met them, but they didn't have any cash to offer. Otherwise smuft wouldve joined Samsung Khan).
KTF was very interested in getting Elky, but they werent offering enough money for elky to live in Korea. We had to decline the offer.
So at that time, most of big sponsor companies you're familiar with now, were extreemly reluctant to invest any money into esports, let alone build a whole team with full accomodation and staff. All this came very very late.
So, the solution that OGN came up with was this :
Since the ratings were actually good, but the format couldn't involve all these big companies at the same time for a fair commercial exposure (ie only one sponsor for one league), they took the league format GAMEQ had created (that I played in) wich was the ancestor of the pro league and said to these big national companies that didnt want to get involved :
"We make a league that runs daily, featuring all the players from a team, in several matches, and each team could bear the flag of one of these big companies. That way, every sponsor gets a full time advertisement any time their team participates in any given tournament, no matter who is sponsoring the event. However for this to be possible, these sponsors not only would pay a team of players, but also AN ENTRY FEE to the tv station networks to participate in the proleague."
Yes, proleague entrance isn't free for the teams, and actually exteemly expensive. (Well it was back then, I think the numbers were around 50k usd for one season entrance maybe its more now, or less dunno).
That was the deal, and it worked out pretty well.
Now back to gov culture office and how they decided to handle esports.
Problem was that to handle esports organisation on a new business scale, like this one, you need ressources and also one of these big companies, to make the first step towards this.
If I remember correctly, Samsung was the first to finance KESPA and actually created the office from the already existing "officials" running touranements here and there (basically people in charge of paying the players when they won their prizes i think).
However, as the teams started to exist and their finances got bigger, and as the proleague started to work out very well, the entity that was first ran by Samsung itself, transformed to involve to its board other sponsorship, so that SKT, KTF or anyone else in the business could run the things along and have their word to say.
Kespa was formed this way.
It was first a decision from the korean governement to give a legal frame to the pro gaming activity, and later on, the major sponsors of esports (samsung, Kt, skt etc etc) joined in to run the office and make it an established entity.
Basically, what you all fail to understand is that OGN and MBC and Kespa aren't running these leagues by their own selves. It's an organisation that involves every single actor in this business.
When Kespa is dealing with Blizzard, its SK telecom, KT F, Samsung, CJ etc they are dealing with, and so the players.
What you have to keep in mind is that without the pro team's sponsors, their wouldn't even be leagues ! Because they're the first to pay for them to happen !
Pro teams finance leagues you watch partially, and their companies get advertisement in return. This is very different from beeing the main sponsor of a gaming event.
That means if Blizzard says OGN and MBC can't air any SC related content, they're not telling this to OGN or MBC, but to all these very big companies, much much bigger than blizzard, that they don't have the right to market and do their own advertisement, in their own country, on their almost "own" cable channels.
DO YOU FUCKING GET IT NOW ?
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On May 27 2010 20:24 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2010 20:18 KlaCkoN wrote:On May 27 2010 20:12 TheRabidDeer wrote:On May 27 2010 20:09 KlaCkoN wrote:On May 27 2010 20:05 Puosu wrote:
Guys on KESPA's side:
Read the recent Korean article translated by l10f "The Reality Of Progaming"
I think that article shows perfectly how the current progaming scene really needs an overhaul, Blizzard might fuck up and we'll have to go a few years back in time.. on the other hand they might do it right and e-sports will finally become something of a real career choice and not just child labour since 13 years old 14 hours a day.
Seeing as CJ which is a very wealthy company owns GomTV and they should know a lot about the progaming scene in Korea as they have their own team etc. I believe its a great move that Blizzard has decided to partner up with them. Blizzard is not actually "handling" anything at all though. The only thing the are doing is adding another cost to the running of a pro gamer team. They don't seem to be investing any money of their own. At the very very best the current orginizers agree to pay off Gom and things continue as normal, except for the fact that the money to pay Gom (actually blizzard via Gom) needs to come from somewhere. And that somewhere will be the living conditions of the gamers. Again, PLAYER SPONSORS ARE NOT EFFECTED IN THE SLIGHTEST. The player sponsors do not pay KeSPA, GomTV, Blizzard, or anybody but the players/teams they are sponsoring. In return, that player/team wears their gear/suits/advertises for them. This entire thing has NOTHING to do with player sponsors. League sponsors maybe, but that will likely go unchanged as well since the league sponsors were already paying somebody. The only profits that are effected is KeSPA. Kespa ARE (mostly) made up by the player sponsors. For fucks sake this has been stated over and over. what you're not getting is that no cost is incurred by kespa after GOM takes over running leagues, that is unless kespa was sponsoring teams at a loss to prop up the leagues which brought them money. let's assume this isn't the case. team sponsors aka kespa isn't incurring any additional cost because of this change because kespa are team sponsors not league sponsors. korean air wasn't putting money in the hands of progamers. however, if we assume that sponsoring teams is a losing proposition for kespa then we realize that kespa was indeed making profit from running the starleagues and their intentions were not as noble as they had stated.
Kespa will need to pay in order the keep running PL. OGN and MBC will need to pay in order to keep running their leagues. (OGN and MBC do sponsor teams remember?) These are definely incurred costs.
On top of that we have the reasons the negotiations collapsed in the first place: Blizzard demanding the right to audit their finances, demanding ownership over the individual players etc etc.
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After taking the time writting my post and reading the replies, I realised it was useless because there is just a comprehension wall that many people seem unable to break.
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On May 27 2010 20:37 Boonbag wrote:
After taking the time writting my post and reading the replies, I realised it was useless because there is just a comprehension wall that many people seem unable to break.
Non, c'était très intéressant! Merci.
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