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On May 23 2010 01:50 Majk wrote:
Of course this is cheating, weather it affects top players or not. If Blizzard allow this there's no distinct line what's ok or not. All should compete with the same type of equipment. Otherwise I really can't call it competetive. A regular keybord and a mouse with 2 buttons and mousewheel, no macrobuttons. No side buttons allowed on the Pro Majk Circuit?
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I agree a macro mouse is a little overboard, but what about people that use ergo gaming keyboards like the Logitech G13? Would you guys consider using one of those as "cheating" or as a training tool to become faster at all-around game play?
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You can macro bind all you want, but I'm a straight up vanilla player in both FPSs and RTSs. You'll get the win, the points, the advancement in the tourney, but you won't get my respect unless you're good enough that the mouse doesn't matter. Mouse as crutch = loser, mouse as convenience = pretty lame. If it doesn't make such a big difference then why don't we play straight up vanilla?
Anyway there's been programs that do this with regular buttons and keys since before the dawn of time. And this is pretty on the light side compared to the differences in vanilla FPS clients and competitive/modified ones. So I don't care, I'd prefer vanilla but whatever.
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On May 23 2010 01:56 Nutshell wrote:
Could someone please come up with an example of a macro that can do something significantly easier than using a non-macro method? None of the ones provided so far have proved to be abusive or advantageous.
Select idle SCV, build supply depot
1 click
Select idle SCV
B
S
Click
4 clicks
There you go, want any more examples just tell me 
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It's probably cheating, but tbh it isn't hard to have the hand speed to do everything you specified without the macro.
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You can only program a few specific functions on those things. If you think it's such a big deal then go buy a gaming mouse... What's stopping you?
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On May 23 2010 02:43 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 01:56 Nutshell wrote:
Could someone please come up with an example of a macro that can do something significantly easier than using a non-macro method? None of the ones provided so far have proved to be abusive or advantageous. Select idle SCV, build supply depot 1 clickSelect idle SCV B S Click 4 clicksThere you go, want any more examples just tell me
perfect proof of why its cheating :D
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Whats stopping me from buying one is that it is cheating. You might cheat I choose not to.^^
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O I was just wondering because everyone is so strongly opposed to people that use macro gaming mice. I use my stock Dell keyboard and mouse and it has yet to do me wrong lol.
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On May 22 2010 21:23 MasterOfChaos wrote:
IMO any 1 to 1 remapping of keys is ok, any 1 to n (n>1) remapping is cheating.
QFT
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I have a X7 Oscar anda G11 keyboard, but I don't use their features in gaming. I think that a gaming mouse or keyboard are btter suited for other uses than gaming
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On May 23 2010 02:43 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 01:56 Nutshell wrote:
Could someone please come up with an example of a macro that can do something significantly easier than using a non-macro method? None of the ones provided so far have proved to be abusive or advantageous. Select idle SCV, build supply depot 1 clickSelect idle SCV B S Click 4 clicksThere you go, want any more examples just tell me What if you have multiple idle SCV's? What if one of those SCV's is not near the position you want the supply depot in? What if you don't have ANY idle SCV's? Did you know that when you select an idle SCV the camera centers on it? What if you don't want to build the supply depot somewhere other than where the SCV is? You can't even use a mouse click in a macro like this because it doesn't let you decide where to place the supply depot on the fly. It's actually easier just to do it the default way. If you get one working and it significantly improves your skill let me know.
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On May 23 2010 03:10 Nutshell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 02:43 Freezard wrote:On May 23 2010 01:56 Nutshell wrote:
Could someone please come up with an example of a macro that can do something significantly easier than using a non-macro method? None of the ones provided so far have proved to be abusive or advantageous. Select idle SCV, build supply depot 1 clickSelect idle SCV B S Click 4 clicksThere you go, want any more examples just tell me What if you have multiple idle SCV's? What if one of those SCV's is not near the position you want the supply depot in? What if you don't have ANY idle SCV's? Did you know that when you select an idle SCV the camera centers on it? What if you don't want to build the supply depot somewhere other than where the SCV is? You can't even use a mouse click in a macro like this because it doesn't let you decide where to place the supply depot on the fly. It's actually easier just to do it the default way. If you get one working and it significantly improves your skill let me know.
Could also be used, to train a shitload of units during a battle by pressing a button while the other has to do it manually.
if thats not cheating then idk what is
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How can you argue that having automation to do things for you faster than your opponent is not an unfair advantage?
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On May 23 2010 03:12 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 03:10 Nutshell wrote:On May 23 2010 02:43 Freezard wrote:On May 23 2010 01:56 Nutshell wrote:
Could someone please come up with an example of a macro that can do something significantly easier than using a non-macro method? None of the ones provided so far have proved to be abusive or advantageous. Select idle SCV, build supply depot 1 clickSelect idle SCV B S Click 4 clicksThere you go, want any more examples just tell me What if you have multiple idle SCV's? What if one of those SCV's is not near the position you want the supply depot in? What if you don't have ANY idle SCV's? Did you know that when you select an idle SCV the camera centers on it? What if you don't want to build the supply depot somewhere other than where the SCV is? You can't even use a mouse click in a macro like this because it doesn't let you decide where to place the supply depot on the fly. It's actually easier just to do it the default way. If you get one working and it significantly improves your skill let me know. Could also be used, to train a shitload of units during a battle by pressing a button while the other has to do it manually. if thats not cheating then idk what is Read the entire thread please. You can already train a "shitload of units during battle" by just holding down the hotkey in vanilla SC2 without any special keyboard, mouse or macro.
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On May 23 2010 03:15 Zavior wrote:
How can you argue that having automation to do things for you faster than your opponent is not an unfair advantage? Because there haven't been any macros presented that actually provide a significant advantage. In most cases they actually makes things more difficult.
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On May 23 2010 03:15 Zavior wrote:
How can you argue that having automation to do things for you faster than your opponent is not an unfair advantage?
Anyone doing so is likely using said "cheat".
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even if it doesnt help so much as it would sound like at first it should most definitely be considered cheating imo
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The difference it can make is limited only by someones creativity to program a macro. That is more OP than anything blizz will ever do.
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ive attempted to use these sort of things just for the novelty value of them across various games and ive yet to play a game where it's actually a realistic benefit to use these things (of course i dont play any mmos, so they might help there)
they're all far too situationally specific to actually get any long term use out of, you're gonna become frustrated with it pretty soon. Either that or its a negligible difference, some guy used building a depot as an argument, i can do that in under half a second anyway, those extra few ms don't make a difference.
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