• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:11
CEST 16:11
KST 23:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-229Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14
StarCraft 2
General
Protoss AoE skill expression August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #4/8 - Percival
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion How FlaSh Nearly Forfeited MSL Finals being late BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Are High-Level Gamers more A…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4738 users

Patch 13 Discussion - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 92 Next
Qwerty.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 03:58:24
May 21 2010 03:33 GMT
#101
Seeing as this is essentially the last patch until July, there are a few things I feel Blizz missed (but hopefully will be addressed in the future)

*Templar tech reduced to just Templar Archives; archons slightly buffed
*Make the large air fatties--battlecruiser, carrier, mothership--viable at higher level play
*Warp prism needs to have a greater advantage over a pylon
*Roaches need to return to 1 supply and nerfed, 2 supply and buffed, or two out of a 3 supply egg
*Even with ultralisk buffs, they are slow, fat and have difficulty getting to the front lines before dying
*Corruptors should be more viable as anti-air than just something to turn into brood lords (hydralisks, for example, are more effective AA)
o something to increase the use of drops overall?
*Tank splash still makes them a bit too strong?
What are your opinions?

Oh, and the infestor's name doesn't even make sense anymore.
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
May 21 2010 03:33 GMT
#102
Holy Overseer buffs. Every race will need to completely turret up their entire base vs. zerg, even if the zerg has zero air otherwise That is, if they intend to have any production capabilities at all. I realize they want to make the unit more interesting, but for something so cheap and widely used already, it seems pretty ridiculous.

The terran buffs are nice, I always thought stimpak cost was a little prohibitive for something so vital in the early game. Combat shield as well. This might make it more viable to start off with a bio-heavy build rather than spending gas on teching to Factory/Starport in 90% of games.

Toss nerfs are completely unnecessary. Really feel bad for them right now, FF and Void Rays provided some of their most interesting gameplay, and they're certainly counterable if you know what you're doing.

Overall, these changes seem to be aimed at making the game more 'fun' for the bronze-silver player, while lowering the skill ceiling. I'm certainly not the best myself, but this is not a good direction to be going.
최지성 Bomber || 김동환 viOLet || 고병재 GuMiho
sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
May 21 2010 03:33 GMT
#103
Now introducing...URANIUM LEAGUE.....ANTIMATTER LEAGUE!
arcology
Profile Joined April 2009
United States92 Posts
May 21 2010 03:33 GMT
#104
UDP, I might be able to finally play without lag! Awesome change!

The rest is rather ridiculous.. all they had to do was increase ultralisk speed.. and they still havent! Decrease life.. still useless.
Frenzy is idiotic.. it does look like a WoW spell, nothing that belongs in sc.. makes you immune to stuff? soo dumb.
Forcefield change is meaningless, ultras are still crap. I guess thors got (even) better.
Overseer can make an infested terran.. for 125 energy?? so it can make ONE? also idiotic.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 03:34:40
May 21 2010 03:34 GMT
#105
^^ what is this? UDP? What?




On May 21 2010 12:31 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 12:30 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
holy fucking christ balls

lol @ removing copper and adding diamond?


So does this mean silver is the new bronze? What exactly does this accomplish?

something for plats to go for
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
May 21 2010 03:34 GMT
#106
Looks cool, I like that they are trying out lots of new things. Probably not all of these changes will last forever. I am looking forward to trying some new strategies out.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
May 21 2010 03:34 GMT
#107
The new spells are great, but I hate the direction they've taken the Ultralisk in. What I really need as a zerg is something that will tank some damage for my army. DPS is fine, but zerg armies melt while T and P armies have absurd retention. What does blizzard do? Nerf roaches outright and turn the ultra into an anti-armor DPS unit.

Trying to decide if I should just switch to Terran.
SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#108
I think this patch is awesome. I like how they buffed the ultralisk indirectly by buffing the infestor. Zerg did also need an anti-armor unit. As far as the HP nerf goes, I'm going to trust blizzard's internal testing. Maybe 600 actually was too much with frenzy. Moreover, contaminate can be used to slow down the production of factory units.
Bird up
fuzzehbunneh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States66 Posts
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#109
MMM balls werent used in 99% of matches, only 98%, blizzard felt they needed a buff so that they would be the primary vehicle.

also, in the other 1-2% were mech builds vs zerg that will now still rape ultras before ever getting to hit the cannons
Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow
kerr0r
Profile Joined September 2008
Norway319 Posts
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#110
On May 21 2010 12:33 sith wrote:
Now introducing...URANIUM LEAGUE.....ANTIMATTER LEAGUE!

And of course the FireRed and LeafGreen leagues.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#111
im so good they put me in unobtanium
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
ivirj
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico79 Posts
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#112
oh god, UMS fuck yeah.
La violencia es el ultimo recurso del incompetente - Asimov
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#113
I bet the patch won't be implemented until AFTER the beta phase 1 shut down.
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 03:36:16
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#114
On May 21 2010 12:33 sith wrote:
Now introducing...URANIUM LEAGUE.....ANTIMATTER LEAGUE!

No man its going to be HeartGold League and SoulSilver Leagues.
Plat will be the new silver which is the new copper
kerr0r and I think alike lol
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
May 21 2010 03:35 GMT
#115
imagine frenzy on baneling...
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
May 21 2010 03:36 GMT
#116
This patch is seriously amazing. So many new strategies. Seriously awesomeness. Medivac thor micro to own forcefields, utlra cant be kited by marauders now, frenzied roaches anyone?, overseer seems kinda imba now but we will have to wait and see, buff to bio for terran seems a bit much but we will have to see how it turns out, void ray nerf sweet!, exciting patch for sure.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
May 21 2010 03:36 GMT
#117
LOL bloodlust??

just think of those ultras going UAGUAGU like wc2 ogres, hilarious
time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana
MurMur
Profile Joined May 2010
United States46 Posts
May 21 2010 03:36 GMT
#118
since when does blizz release patch notes before the patch?! :o
Three
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan278 Posts
May 21 2010 03:36 GMT
#119
Now when I say I'm in the diamond league it wont be a joke anymore D:
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
May 21 2010 03:36 GMT
#120
looks interesting. Wouldve liked for them to fix roaches though.
Better than Pokebunny
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 92 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Weekly
11:00
WardiTV Mondays #99
IntoTheiNu 1424
WardiTV1139
TKL 154
Rex135
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SHIN 383
TKL 154
Rex 135
ProTech69
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1413
BeSt 960
Soulkey 757
EffOrt 739
Light 723
Mini 708
Soma 565
Jaedong 498
ggaemo 495
Rush 282
[ Show more ]
Stork 261
Snow 212
actioN 181
Barracks 131
hero 121
Sharp 73
PianO 58
Hyun 56
sorry 56
Sea.KH 56
Pusan 49
ToSsGirL 37
Hm[arnc] 37
JYJ 32
soO 25
scan(afreeca) 25
HiyA 19
zelot 17
Sacsri 16
yabsab 16
Terrorterran 14
Icarus 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Dota 2
qojqva2504
Dendi914
BananaSlamJamma221
Counter-Strike
ScreaM2072
byalli865
kRYSTAL_69
Other Games
singsing2087
B2W.Neo859
hiko811
crisheroes299
Hui .186
Liquid`VortiX181
ArmadaUGS120
Livibee91
RotterdaM87
KnowMe73
Mew2King58
QueenE54
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV442
League of Legends
• Nemesis2019
• Jankos533
Upcoming Events
The Patches Monday
1h 49m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 49m
PiG Sty Festival
21h 49m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-09
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.