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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
May 21 2010 03:47 GMT
#181
On May 21 2010 12:35 BroOd wrote:
im so good they put me in unobtanium


I love you.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 21 2010 03:47 GMT
#182
On May 21 2010 12:42 Skyze wrote:
Well.. thats rough for protoss. They got nerfed HARD with this whole force field crushing ability. As if it was bad enough that any Protoss not named White-Ra was getting owned hard lately, they have to nerf them more and buff terran even more.

Guess Im playing Z again. Which wasnt even fixed, Ultras problem wasnt dmg, they just died too fast.. and roaches not back to 1 supply.

Stupid patch

I think you're overreacting to the Force Field change. Ultras weren't getting used much, and Colossi are in the mirror, making it hardly a "balance" issue. The Thor is the biggest issue, and they're not exactly commonly used in TvP. Admittedly, I think with the size reduction, Thors deserve to lose the Massive modifier. You can't be both tiny and massive. That just doesn't work.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 21 2010 03:47 GMT
#183
On May 21 2010 12:46 s2pid_loser wrote:
so what exactly is UDP and how will it change lag?

im guessing things like ex high high low latency

or maybe something like chaos launcher style lan?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 21 2010 03:47 GMT
#184
I want to see some streams/VODs of those beautiful remade BroodWar maps people have been working on (I like the Blizz ones, but I think larger, more open middles would be beneficial.
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
May 21 2010 03:47 GMT
#185
On the league change:

Basically the reasoning behind the change is that the skill curve int he leagues isn't matching the leagues. Functionally there is actually not much difference between Copper and Bronze players, but there is a ton of scale in skill level in platinum.
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DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
May 21 2010 03:47 GMT
#186
On May 21 2010 12:42 Captain Peabody wrote:
I really like this patch. However...still...Blizzard has not nerfed the Marauder. I find this...questionable, to say the least.

The new Zerg spells look really good, though, and I'm interested in seeing how the Ultra changes pan out..but I think they definitely have potential. The Marine changes are obviously a way to get people to use more Marines as opposed to pure Marauder...but I think I already have a suggestion that would do the same thing. Like, say...nerfing Marauders? Apparently, Blizzard is still very afraid to do anything that would at all nerf Terran; which I'm not sure is at all justified. But we'll see.

Oh, and in case anyone is keeping track, that's a Terran buff, many Zerg buffs, and two Protoss nerfs in this patch. So everyone can go ahead and switch races like they've been threatening to do since Patch One...

As a Terran player I think Marauders are over rated. Marines are much better really ( DPS ). On the Asian servers marines are much more popular.
S1 3500+ Master T. S2 1600+ Master T.
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
May 21 2010 03:48 GMT
#187
On May 21 2010 12:31 Lollersauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 12:30 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
holy fucking christ balls

lol @ removing copper and adding diamond?


EVERYONE is speshul now.


Yeah really, what is this... public schools? If you are bad you don't get a podium finish mmkay?
Lollersauce
Profile Joined April 2010
United States357 Posts
May 21 2010 03:48 GMT
#188
On May 21 2010 12:47 TheElitists wrote:
On the league change:

Basically the reasoning behind the change is that the skill curve int he leagues isn't matching the leagues. Functionally there is actually not much difference between Copper and Bronze players, but there is a ton of scale in skill level in platinum.


So, entirely removing the copper league is just going to move everyone up one league?
wow, that's really helpful.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
May 21 2010 03:48 GMT
#189
hey you should look at this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=122295&currentpage=9#173

and bow down to your god

:D

ill have to play a couple game to get an opinion about this patch... very odd changes.
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 03:49:26
May 21 2010 03:48 GMT
#190
Ultras now do 40 massive splash against marauders and you think players are going to be going marauders against them? And Ultras can't be slowed by concussive shells when Frenzied, AND get plus 25 percent attack? So what is that - 50 splash damage against marauders? And you are whining over 150 HPs? LoL.
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
May 21 2010 03:49 GMT
#191
On May 21 2010 12:46 s2pid_loser wrote:
so what exactly is UDP and how will it change lag?


It's an alternative protocol to TCP, which SC2 was using up until now. UDP can provide a lower latency model for networking.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
May 21 2010 03:49 GMT
#192
This patch is so good!

UDP
3v3 and 4v4
Map publishing
Forcefield slight nerf
Void Ray slight nerf
Stim pack and combat shield cost reduction yessssssss
At least an attempt to make ultras work
Overseers as harassment units? OMG yes
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 03:52:08
May 21 2010 03:49 GMT
#193
protoss:

The FF change is funny at least in PvP, from previous patch they make the collosus being able to get block by FF but now he will remove the FF.

the warpgate change won't be big of a deal now toss will need to TAB GGGGG for make them WG

VR nerf is needed and for my style of play idc i don't like VR

Terran:

upgrade such a joke now why not only make them free ?

zerg:

frenzy is so LOL im sure this is the same team who make sc2 and WoW, but i can't wait to see 2v2

Overseer: is so so good now. Contaminate was good on the corrupter but it required the spire to get now its even faster. i may see a research later on

and when i saw infested terran i lol'ed

Ultralisk i still don't get it
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
Lollersauce
Profile Joined April 2010
United States357 Posts
May 21 2010 03:50 GMT
#194
On May 21 2010 12:48 cartoon]x wrote:
Ultras now do 40 massive splash against marauders and you think players are going to be going marauders against them? And Ultras can't be slowed by concussive shells when Frenzied, AND get plus 25 percent attack? So what is that - 50 splash damage against marauders? And you are whining over 150 HPs? LoL.


The problem with ZvT is mech. Not marauders.
shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
May 21 2010 03:50 GMT
#195
On May 21 2010 12:48 cartoon]x wrote:
lol.. 40 massive splash against marauders and you think players are going to be going marauders against Ultras? And Ultras can't be slowed when Frenzied, AND get plus 25 percent attack? So what is that - 50 splash damage against marauders? And you are whining over 150 HPs? LoL.



They couldn't be slowed before... except for the attack buff, frenzy doesn't help the ultra vs T.

And with 450HP they're are going to melt even faster than before.
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
May 21 2010 03:50 GMT
#196
Oh my Protoss

Have to see how bad these changes are. Not liking the overseer much either. I'm happy voids got changed though.
Life is Good.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
May 21 2010 03:50 GMT
#197
On May 21 2010 12:48 cartoon]x wrote:
lol.. 40 massive splash against marauders and you think players are going to be going marauders against Ultras? And Ultras can't be slowed when Frenzied, AND get plus 25 percent attack? So what is that - 50 splash damage against marauders? And you are whining over 150 HPs? LoL.


He has a point. I mean 600 HP ultras already ate through helions, thors, and tanks a lot more effectively than most people give credit for. But frenzied ultras, with cracklings/hydra support?

I dunno though. Great positioning and a critical mass of tanks > high damage. They wont even be able to reach the tank line.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
May 21 2010 03:50 GMT
#198
On May 21 2010 12:48 cartoon]x wrote:
Ultras now do 40 massive splash against marauders and you think players are going to be going marauders against them? And Ultras can't be slowed by concussive shells when Frenzied, AND get plus 25 percent attack? So what is that - 50 splash damage against marauders? And you are whining over 150 HPs? LoL.


they never got slowed before anyway. ultras are massive units and i think your missing the point about ultras dying before they can get a single attack off.
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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
May 21 2010 03:50 GMT
#199
You don't know that removing copper is and making diamond is just moving everyone up a league.

It is totally possible that the diamond league is harder to get into then the current platinum league. Hopefully that is the case.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
May 21 2010 03:50 GMT
#200
Well they should Definitely rename Frenzy...plenty of good terms

Unstable
Evolutionary
Mutation
Infestation
Symbiont
Anabolic
Neural
Toxic

I like Unstable Symbiont

Of course Friendly focused abilities were all nerfed by Blizzards 'no casting on wireframes' UI blunder.
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