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On May 14 2010 07:34 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 07:11 billyX333 wrote:On May 14 2010 07:01 Wintermute wrote:On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote:
Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet. Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3. I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised. IdrA =2231 rating, 99-19 on NA servers i dont think anybody can make a case that he is not #1 on NA in terms of ability if there were 20-30 ppl better than NA's #1 player then something would be seriously wrong (seeing as how he plays 12-14 hours as well) i doubt whoever NA's #2 player could be doing as well as idra on the asia servers artosis is 38-11 on NA while 72-53 on asia the chinese player Gale was top 10 player on NA with a good win% for awhile after first reset hes in the thirties and 324-252 on asia if idra played 500 games on NA he'd be #1 by 300+ points IMO disagree. Nony > Idra, and if they play in any tourneys soon he will show it again. idra wins from mass gaming, and you cant suck if you play 500+ games in the span of 2 weeks, esp if you are living in a progaming house.. but when it comes to actual skill and RTS "talent".. Nony is head and shoulders above of idra. Nony can take months off, come back barely playing any games and beat idra no prob, as we saw in TSL2. They say practice makes perfect, but I dont think thats the case in RTS or FPS games.. You need a certain gamesense/feel for the games to be great, combined with practice.. and Idra is missing that, which is why he cant defend simple cheese half the time, he has no adjusting, just 10 hours a day of practicing tthe latest "korean build" out.. Remember the first beta reset, Idra was like 200-150 on the US server?? A talented RTS player owns from the very first patch because they have a superior mental game than just 1000 hours of buildorders practiced. Its respectable to have the dedication idra has, but since hes such a bm dick to everyone, i am calling it how I see it. He would of never got past courage, yet Nony almost did it his first try.
i'd say its close between nony and idra
but i definitely disagree with your "a talented rts player owns from the very first patch" statement
nony did not play much until atleast 1-2 weeks into beta
but he was definitely NOT doing so hot when he finally did start
remember his account "Tyler"?
you can't bring up the fact that idra was 200-150 with P before first reset and think thats a good point
protoss definitely does NOT suit idra's macro playstyle
and almost everyone (except smuft) had pretty ugly stats (including nony)
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oh amazing, i wish they released this ladder updates more often. IdrA doing as well as expected, good job there greg.
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On May 14 2010 07:14 faction123 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 07:01 Wintermute wrote:On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote:
Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet. Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3. I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised. Except... he really is that good? God every thread becomes "I hate Idra cuz he's mean"
Except that I didn't say anything like that.
From what I have seen in tourneys, IdrA is good, but not special compared to top Euro or even NA players. If he's really the best player on the NA server then perhaps I stand corrected, but just from the old eyeball test he just doesn't seem any better than most of what I've seen from elsewhere. Hence, while I believe that the Asian server probably does have a higher overall skill level, I would expect that to translate into IdrA not being a top player there.
Now maybe IdrA has evolved in the past month or so since I've seen him play, and he really does something amazing, but eh, I've never seen it.
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On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote:
Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
I'm wondering whether he still has to play his full SC1-pensum besides SC2.... Or did CJ-Entus put him on full-SC2-duty? Think about how much he'd be playing if he had to play SC1 for 12 hours and still be massgaming that hard in SC2... Basically 20+ hours a day! ^^'
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On May 14 2010 06:07 Disastorm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 05:59 dicember wrote:On May 14 2010 05:41 billyX333 wrote:On May 14 2010 05:37 Azarkon wrote:
Well, the issue with Idra is not that he doesn't play a lot, it's that he still isn't super solid against cheese. That, or he simply chooses not to deal with it in small tourneys.
Either way, Idra's gonna have to change his game after this latest patch. i dont think idra would value a win in those tourneys either idra could be completely unpredictable with all-in cheese as well, to keep his opponents honest and from building completely around his build but instead he just does the exact 14/15 pool 16expo build every single game he knows everybody knows, but hes just going to do it and see if you can stop him lol he's like savior going 3 hatch "i know you know i'm going to do it. but there is nothing you can do to stop it." except idra isn't good with cheese and savior pwns cheese or standard -fixed lol he's like savior going 3 hatch "i know you know i'm going to do it. but there is nothing you can do to stop it except for paying me money."
Ouch.
Edit: Wow, lots of former pros on that list.
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On May 14 2010 07:52 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote:
Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins. I'm wondering whether he still has to play his full SC1-pensum besides SC2.... Or did CJ-Entus put him on full-SC2-duty? Think about how much he'd be playing if he had to play SC1 for 12 hours and still be massgaming that hard in SC2... Basically 20+ hours a day! ^^'
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113848¤tpage=3#49
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I don't think its registering in people's heads that IdrA and Artosis play on the NA server with anywhere from 1-2 seconds of lag and are still raping. When the play on Asia they have close to 0 lag and are able to play in a close to ideal situation. If/when IdrA and Artosis play against American players on the NA server they have a clear lag disadvantage in comparison to the American players. Similarly, Europeans also have a lag disadvantage vs Americans when playing on the NA server. Supposedly it is much better for Euro than it is for Korea now. So in a situation where its Korea vs Europe in might be a slight lag advantage to Euro, but should be relatively close.
On that same note it is hard to deal with cheese when you have a clear lag disadvantage because at that time there is a much higher premium on micro vs macro and its a lot harder to micro when you're getting a delay.
I'm not saying anyone country/region/etc. is better than one another, but I really feel like people are not giving players their due credit.
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It makes sense that IdrA has played so many games but still wow. Hehe... and Artosis holding his own too on that ranking.
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On May 14 2010 08:01 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 07:52 kickinhead wrote:On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote:
Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins. I'm wondering whether he still has to play his full SC1-pensum besides SC2.... Or did CJ-Entus put him on full-SC2-duty? Think about how much he'd be playing if he had to play SC1 for 12 hours and still be massgaming that hard in SC2... Basically 20+ hours a day! ^^' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113848¤tpage=3#49
ah, nice - thx
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
where can i get replays of top 10 asian server players?
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On May 14 2010 08:15 Trezeguet23 wrote:
PandaLoner, next bonjwa!
I have no confidence to say that...
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On May 14 2010 08:08 bokchoi wrote:
I don't think its registering in people's heads that IdrA and Artosis play on the NA server with anywhere from 1-2 seconds of lag and are still raping. When the play on Asia they have close to 0 lag and are able to play in a close to ideal situation. If/when IdrA and Artosis play against American players on the NA server they have a clear lag disadvantage in comparison to the American players. Similarly, Europeans also have a lag disadvantage vs Americans when playing on the NA server. Supposedly it is much better for Euro than it is for Korea now. So in a situation where its Korea vs Europe in might be a slight lag advantage to Euro, but should be relatively close.
On that same note it is hard to deal with cheese when you have a clear lag disadvantage because at that time there is a much higher premium on micro vs macro and its a lot harder to micro when you're getting a delay.
I'm not saying anyone country/region/etc. is better than one another, but I really feel like people are not giving players their due credit.
has tasteless ever confirmed lag issues on US servers?
Because taking something from Artosis/Idra that makes em look better at face value is generally not a good idea.
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Idra is not nearly as interesting as 1 protoss in the top 18.
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On May 14 2010 09:06 Drow wrote:
Idra is not nearly as interesting as 1 protoss in the top 18.
Agreed, since all the US terrans like to complain how Protoss is so imbalanced, and terran is so weak.
Theres almost more terrans than zerg even in top 18.
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On May 14 2010 09:08 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 09:06 Drow wrote:
Idra is not nearly as interesting as 1 protoss in the top 18. Agreed, since all the US terrans like to complain how Protoss is so imbalanced, and terran is so weak. Theres almost more terrans than zerg even in top 18.
and way less terrans in the overall top 165 stats.
your point?
or are you still on you anti-terran crusade?
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On May 14 2010 09:11 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2010 09:08 Skyze wrote:On May 14 2010 09:06 Drow wrote:
Idra is not nearly as interesting as 1 protoss in the top 18. Agreed, since all the US terrans like to complain how Protoss is so imbalanced, and terran is so weak. Theres almost more terrans than zerg even in top 18. and way less terrans in the overall top 165 stats. your point? or are you still on you anti-terran crusade?
Those stats are so arbitrary too lol, In the top 3, theres 0/3 zerg. In the top 5, theres 1/5 zerg. In the top 12 theres 8/12 zerg. top 21 9/21 zerg.
If you wanted to, you could make your "statistic" sound however you wanted.
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Gerrard, Beckham, Nesta, Bojan - it's just not Starcraft anymore!
I wonder if it means that Protoss needs a buff since, it is seemingly underpowered at the highest echelons.
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On May 14 2010 10:34 tyCe wrote:
Gerrard, Beckham, Nesta, Bojan - it's just not Starcraft anymore!
I wonder if it means that Protoss needs a buff since, it is seemingly underpowered at the highest echelons.
will never happen because blizz like to do the nerfhammer on toss
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