An enterprising chap called Aiur over on PlayXP took it upon himself to compile the kind of rankings table that I know people love, so I figured it was worth linking to over here: http://playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=1955103&page=3
I've tried to copy the table here just for convenience but the formatting is pretty dreadful so you'd be a lot better off looking at the original.
Position - Name - Race - Rating - Wins - Losses - Win Percentage.
1 NEXGenius P 2235 178 114 61.0% 2 NcYellow T 2177 200 122 62.1% 3 푸른태양 T 2130 327 277 54.1% 4 박용욱 Z 2125 218 131 62.5% 5 Teletha T 2115 166 113 59.5% 6 NESTA Z 2114 196 134 59.4% 7 Limper Z 2108 397 194 67.2% 8 Cosmic Z 2103 145 83 63.6% 9 CQ□□ Z 2101 349 297 54.0% 10 Gerrard Z 2101 89 36 71.2% 11 Junwisam Z 2099 191 105 64.5% 12 Zenio Z 2097 181 102 64.0% 13 Bojan T 2086 150 97 60.7% 14 Sen Z 2082 158 69 69.6% 15 Feeling T 2081 146 88 62.4% 16 Ensnare T 2071 225 146 60.6% 17 Maris T 2034 137 99 58.1% 18 PandaLoner T 2031 274 216 55.9% 19 Spunky P 2014 71 34 67.6% 20 NEX김대기 T 2012 157 101 60.9% 21 Phantasm P 2005 139 100 58.2% 22 SoO Z 2003 134 70 65.7% 23 다람쥐 Z 2002 90 55 62.1% 24 Escher T 2001 174 140 55.4% 25 Gagboy R 1988 137 99 58.1% 26 TheStC T 1986 145 99 59.4% 27 몽몽귀 T 1977 155 114 57.6% 28 호랑나비 R 1968 75 33 69.4% 29 SoO Z 1963 84 39 68.3% 30 SoBaDRush Z 1961 100 67 59.9% 31 Sopia Z 1958 121 83 59.3% 32 혜성처럼등장한내가본좌다 R 1952 130 81 61.6% 33 신림동꽃거지 T 1951 127 84 60.2% 34 변신수 Z 1946 106 77 57.9% 35 SoO Z 1945 221 168 56.8% 36 Baby Z 1941 93 64 59.2% 37 Gale P 1937 324 252 56.3% 38 sSKS T 1931 73 43 62.9% 39 OneSoldier T 1923 142 118 54.6% 40 RenieHour P 1922 223 181 55.2% 41 평양물냉면 P 1917 124 84 59.6% 42 NEXCHIEF P 1916 135 108 55.6% 43 Kazama Z 1909 102 80 56.0% 44 Yoonjin P 1909 91 55 62.3% 45 elcarim T 1902 140 95 59.6% 46 luffy Z 1902 302 248 54.9% 47 sCar P 1901 83 59 58.5% 48 miso Z 1899 153 124 55.2% 49 VicaL P 1898 207 162 56.1% 50 sciwyw Z 1890 123 99 55.4% 51 Sorry P 1882 215 151 58.7% 52 HeadOfState P 1881 185 125 59.7% 53 슈캐다 T 1878 113 81 58.2% 54 Artosis Z 1877 72 53 57.6% 55 TheMarineBoy T 1876 253 210 54.6% 56 LegalMind P 1872 107 84 56.0% 57 Prime T 1868 74 40 64.9% 58 kkusikkusi T 1860 114 94 54.8% 59 foris P 1858 88 65 57.5% 60 PhoeNix Z 1858 136 104 56.7% 61 징징대지마 Z 1856 167 139 54.6% 62 Mortred P 1855 104 83 55.6% 63 knivesout P 1855 258 213 54.8% 64 Devan Z 1854 90 64 58.4% 65 김천국밥 P 1853 134 115 53.8% 66 OhYa Z 1853 98 78 55.7% 67 HaNa P 1843 121 92 56.8% 68 NEXMereDith Z 1841 78 58 57.4% 69 EndingOfTime P 1841 174 151 53.5% 70 CaRtoONweRRa P 1841 248 191 56.5% 71 Rainbow R 1837 165 142 53.7% 72 박형준 P 1835 194 138 58.4% 73 허준과침 T 1833 156 127 55.1% 74 Hyperdub T 1827 114 79 59.1% 75 Banshee P 1826 43 15 74.1% 76 Flash T 1825 113 85 57.1% 77 ukterran T 1818 152 132 53.5% 78 JoJo P 1817 154 128 54.6% 79 apple T 1815 67 52 56.3% 80 김토르 T 1815 76 53 58.9% 81 Mio T 1813 108 80 57.4% 82 RedLighting P 1812 73 41 64.0% 83 Limit T 1812 153 118 56.5% 84 TTEKKY Z 1811 93 67 58.1% 85 KYLE P 1810 277 229 54.7% 86 viOLetWeRRa Z 1810 129 92 58.4% 87 ZanDarke P 1809 62 38 62.0% 88 YouRush Z 1808 146 114 56.2% 89 Cezanne Z 1806 35 11 76.1% 90 TavOr Z 1805 183 160 53.4% 91 내가누굴까요 P 1804 79 52 60.3% 92 Aory P 1803 335 274 55.0% 93 ToNi Z 1803 157 132 54.3% 94 rae Z 1798 100 69 59.2% 95 Puyo T 1797 165 154 51.7% 96 SoO Z 1797 72 54 57.1% 97 Zerg Z 1796 164 135 54.8% 98 Spiral T 1796 205 175 53.9% 99 PaNicStrike T 1793 220 185 54.3% 100 jaMWeRRa Z 1792 123 96 56.2% 101 MOTOR P 1789 100 68 59.5% 102 Acrobat P 1786 134 114 54.0% 103 NEXFreeSaGA P 1785 73 53 57.9% 104 NalZa P 1784 89 71 55.6% 105 Sense Z 1783 42 23 64.6% 106 XiaoBaiTu P 1782 151 131 53.5% 107 아레나 R 1782 169 144 54.0% 108 아이디 T 1781 126 100 55.8% 109 Allin T 1781 389 338 53.5% 110 토샤드 Z 1779 70 53 56.9% 111 MaxUz Z 1777 227 207 52.3% 112 SorrowRush P 1776 93 73 56.0% 113 SoO R 1775 53 41 56.4% 114 Yellow Z 1775 71 47 60.2% 115 이제동 Z 1773 166 141 54.1% 116 Luzesky T 1769 55 34 61.8% 117 GooR P 1769 138 106 56.6% 118 ZERO P 1768 122 102 54.5% 119 SungSss T 1768 119 91 56.7% 120 Sound T 1766 140 123 53.2% 121 반반쓰 P 1759 125 103 54.8% 122 NEX환류 P 1758 86 68 55.8% 123 SiLvEr P 1757 54 29 65.1% 124 JeRRy T 1753 199 168 54.2% 125 AudreyTautou P 1751 229 187 55.0% 126 Acky Z 1751 98 88 52.7% 127 슬냥이 P 1751 80 56 58.8% 128 포로로카성인 P 1750 147 111 57.0% 129 괴도상디 P 1749 77 55 58.3% 130 GriFFiTh T 1747 68 30 69.4% 131 Funke P 1746 73 47 60.8% 132 Dexter T 1746 99 82 54.7% 133 Ballad Z 1745 121 96 55.8% 134 UDontKnowMe T 1743 73 56 56.6% 135 사나이 P 1743 190 167 53.2% 136 JupitEr T 1742 154 126 55.0% 137 Pranoia Z 1740 117 93 55.7% 138 쥬펠레 P 1740 70 55 56.0% 139 Revtime Z 1739 187 163 53.4% 140 hOma T 1739 84 65 56.4% 141 Beciel T 1738 111 92 54.7% 142 후후맨 P 1737 70 48 59.3% 143 Only Z 1736 126 96 56.8% 144 zealpanda Z 1736 206 183 53.0% 145 DoSWeRRa P 1732 56 42 57.1% 146 GaNeSha P 1732 52 35 59.8% 147 사우스포 R 1731 163 131 55.4% 148 Gerper P 1729 42 25 62.7% 149 NEXUS P 1726 107 68 61.1% 150 Magichour T 1725 71 53 57.3% 151 DaramG P 1723 107 76 58.5% 152 ActorProtoss P 1722 213 195 52.2% 153 Hussey P 1721 58 37 61.1% 154 콩까지마 Z 1721 75 41 64.7% 155 Xian P 1719 99 79 55.6% 156 temlost T 1712 99 83 54.4% 157 MSP Z 1711 282 251 52.9% 158 달과별 Z 1711 77 53 59.2% 159 똥꼬킥 P 1710 76 55 58.0% 160 종족뭐하지 Z 1710 99 73 57.6% 161 age Z 1710 137 105 56.6% 162 Karsid P 1707 142 124 53.4% 163 Furion P 1705 56 43 56.6% 164 SmartSNake P 1705 71 56 55.9% 165 eroZerg Z 1702 110 83 57.0%
종족 분포 - Race distribution Zerg ---------- 54 ----- 32.7% Protoss ----- 59 ----- 35.8% Terran ------- 45 ----- 27.3% Random ---- 7 ------- 4.2% Total --------- 165 --- 100.0%
종족별 평균 승률 - Average winning percentage? Zerg ---------- 58.8% Protoss ----- 57.8% Terran ------- 57.4% Random ---- 58.4%
Great link thanks for posting this. Asia seems to be getting more overall balanced as far as overall race distribution and winner percentage. The lack of protoss over 2k may have some hidden meaning behind it.
I know one of the SoOs is TheWinD and one is umm, that Fruit Trader guy Cool[fOu].
Edit - It seems like it's some kind of in joke between the zergs on the oGs team as the following are all playing as SoO (Cool, TheWinD, SiR@SoNi, [z-zone]SoO) and there are two other zergs on their team who maybe could be also ([kor]-Rain, sigamari).
Tester is sSKS and apparently he made the switch to terran to show everyone how awesome they are.
On May 14 2010 04:56 Bear4188 wrote: I like how Idra has double the wins and a higher % than everyone above him, but is "worse". Cool system, Blizzard.
Based off of your skill relative to the person you're playing. He could be playing lower level players or more of his losses could come from tilt games vs. players that he is favored against through Elo. Cool failed data extrapolation.
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
by the time he had 350 wins on asia he had just 100 wins on his US account imo, hes slacking...If i played 12-14 hours a day i could easy have more games played than he does @.@
Well the best players are not necessarily ones that are ranked really high on the ladders. Im sure players like tester and maka play more custom games rather than laddet games as those do help more.
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
by the time he had 350 wins on asia he had just 100 wins on his US account imo, hes slacking...If i played 12-14 hours a day i could easy have more games played than he does @.@
Yeah, but the question is, how many games you would actually win. Sigh...
^ Exactly. Take EG, for example. Their practice sessions are generally in-house. Ladder is great for when you're learning the game. But at some point, you want more consistently good players to practice against.
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
by the time he had 350 wins on asia he had just 100 wins on his US account imo, hes slacking...If i played 12-14 hours a day i could easy have more games played than he does @.@
That's 450 total wins, with 200ish losses your looking at about 650 games. Could you really do better than that? Also I doubt he only plays starcraft 2, he is on a progaming team and I expect still plays starcraft 1 at least occasionally.
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
by the time he had 350 wins on asia he had just 100 wins on his US account imo, hes slacking...If i played 12-14 hours a day i could easy have more games played than he does @.@
That's 450 total wins, with 200ish losses your looking at about 650 games. Could you really do better than that? Also I doubt he only plays starcraft 2, he is on a progaming team and I expect still plays starcraft 1 at least occasionally.
no he doesnt, coach allows him to fully dedicate himself to sc2 and yes i could do far more
Well, the issue with Idra is not that he doesn't play a lot, it's that he still isn't super solid against cheese. That, or he simply chooses not to deal with it in small tourneys.
Either way, Idra's gonna have to change his game after this latest patch.
On May 14 2010 05:37 Azarkon wrote: Well, the issue with Idra is not that he doesn't play a lot, it's that he still isn't super solid against cheese. That, or he simply chooses not to deal with it in small tourneys.
Either way, Idra's gonna have to change his game after this latest patch.
i dont think idra would value a win in those tourneys either idra could be completely unpredictable with all-in cheese as well, to keep his opponents honest and from building completely around his build but instead he just does the exact 14/15 pool 16expo build every single game he knows everybody knows, but hes just going to do it and see if you can stop him
On May 14 2010 05:37 Azarkon wrote: Well, the issue with Idra is not that he doesn't play a lot, it's that he still isn't super solid against cheese. That, or he simply chooses not to deal with it in small tourneys.
Either way, Idra's gonna have to change his game after this latest patch.
i dont think idra would value a win in those tourneys either idra could be completely unpredictable with all-in cheese as well, to keep his opponents honest and from building completely around his build but instead he just does the exact 14/15 pool 16expo build every single game he knows everybody knows, but hes just going to do it and see if you can stop him
lol he's like savior going 3 hatch "i know you know i'm going to do it. but there is nothing you can do to stop it."
except idra isn't good with cheese and savior pwns cheese or standard
On May 14 2010 05:37 Azarkon wrote: Well, the issue with Idra is not that he doesn't play a lot, it's that he still isn't super solid against cheese. That, or he simply chooses not to deal with it in small tourneys.
Either way, Idra's gonna have to change his game after this latest patch.
i dont think idra would value a win in those tourneys either idra could be completely unpredictable with all-in cheese as well, to keep his opponents honest and from building completely around his build but instead he just does the exact 14/15 pool 16expo build every single game he knows everybody knows, but hes just going to do it and see if you can stop him
lol he's like savior going 3 hatch "i know you know i'm going to do it. but there is nothing you can do to stop it."
except idra isn't good with cheese and savior pwns cheese or standard
-fixed
lol he's like savior going 3 hatch "i know you know i'm going to do it. but there is nothing you can do to stop it except for paying me money."
On May 14 2010 05:37 Azarkon wrote: Well, the issue with Idra is not that he doesn't play a lot, it's that he still isn't super solid against cheese. That, or he simply chooses not to deal with it in small tourneys.
Either way, Idra's gonna have to change his game after this latest patch.
On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote: Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet.
Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3.
I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised.
IdrA =2231 rating, 99-19 on NA servers i dont think anybody can make a case that he is not #1 on NA in terms of ability if there were 20-30 ppl better than NA's #1 player then something would be seriously wrong (seeing as how he plays 12-14 hours as well) i doubt whoever NA's #2 player could be doing as well as idra on the asia servers
artosis is 38-11 on NA while 72-53 on asia the chinese player Gale was top 10 player on NA with a good win% for awhile after first reset hes in the thirties and 324-252 on asia
if idra played 500 games on NA he'd be #1 by 300+ points IMO
On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote: Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet.
Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3.
I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised.
... IdrA is almost Korean. What separates him now? He's living in korea with Korean progamers and eating Korean food. He learns from Korean coaches and teammates and practices SC 24/7. If you were implying that there's some GENETIC difference, you're an absolute idiot. Koreans are better simply because of their environment and their own practice; they practice a lot, have a sick work ethic, and are surrounded by people like that, so they have to work as hard as HELL. Say what you want about IdrA, but never say that this guy is the average Euro or NA foreign progamer. He's not anymore.
Also, Asian SC2 is good, but it's also brand new, and the US/Euro is on a somewhat similar level... for now. IdrA is one of the few progamers who has so quickly transitioned to SC2, and he was doing very well in Korea. Money is right now in BW, not yet in SC2... when (or if) money shifts over to SC2, then you'll see a freaking enormous gap appear again like in the BW scene.
wow Idra high win percentage comparitively and tons of games. Really shows the difference between US and asia servers. He is just as high in the US with just over 100 games and 83% compared to his 67% 600games on asia.
On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote: Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet.
Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3.
I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised.
IdrA =2231 rating, 99-19 on NA servers i dont think anybody can make a case that he is not #1 on NA in terms of ability if there were 20-30 ppl better than NA's #1 player then something would be seriously wrong (seeing as how he plays 12-14 hours as well) i doubt whoever NA's #2 player could be doing as well as idra on the asia servers
artosis is 38-11 on NA while 72-53 on asia the chinese player Gale was top 10 player on NA with a good win% for awhile after first reset hes in the thirties and 324-252 on asia
if idra played 500 games on NA he'd be #1 by 300+ points IMO
disagree. Nony > Idra, and if they play in any tourneys soon he will show it again. idra wins from mass gaming, and you cant suck if you play 500+ games in the span of 2 weeks, esp if you are living in a progaming house.. but when it comes to actual skill and RTS "talent".. Nony is head and shoulders above of idra. Nony can take months off, come back barely playing any games and beat idra no prob, as we saw in TSL2.
They say practice makes perfect, but I dont think thats the case in RTS or FPS games.. You need a certain gamesense/feel for the games to be great, combined with practice.. and Idra is missing that, which is why he cant defend simple cheese half the time, he has no adjusting, just 10 hours a day of practicing tthe latest "korean build" out.. Remember the first beta reset, Idra was like 200-150 on the US server?? A talented RTS player owns from the very first patch because they have a superior mental game than just 1000 hours of buildorders practiced.
Its respectable to have the dedication idra has, but since hes such a bm dick to everyone, i am calling it how I see it. He would of never got past courage, yet Nony almost did it his first try.
DUDE - I want replays of those guys... Especially the Terrans like Ensnare and after what Tester said about Terran being the best race by far in the right hands! ^^'
Cuz atm, I don't like the Korean Terran-builds that much... Basically always - rather early gas - 1rax+reactor---> pump Marines - rather early second gas - Factory+Techlab ---> pump Tanks - Starport ---> first Viking, then techlab for Raven, then Banshees
---> Timing push with Point defense drone...
Just no macro-game at all - just a timing attack. Really not what I expect from Koreans at all! ^^'
On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote: Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet.
Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3.
I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised.
IdrA =2231 rating, 99-19 on NA servers i dont think anybody can make a case that he is not #1 on NA in terms of ability if there were 20-30 ppl better than NA's #1 player then something would be seriously wrong (seeing as how he plays 12-14 hours as well) i doubt whoever NA's #2 player could be doing as well as idra on the asia servers
artosis is 38-11 on NA while 72-53 on asia the chinese player Gale was top 10 player on NA with a good win% for awhile after first reset hes in the thirties and 324-252 on asia
if idra played 500 games on NA he'd be #1 by 300+ points IMO
disagree. Nony > Idra, and if they play in any tourneys soon he will show it again. idra wins from mass gaming, and you cant suck if you play 500+ games in the span of 2 weeks, esp if you are living in a progaming house.. but when it comes to actual skill and RTS "talent".. Nony is head and shoulders above of idra. Nony can take months off, come back barely playing any games and beat idra no prob, as we saw in TSL2.
They say practice makes perfect, but I dont think thats the case in RTS or FPS games.. You need a certain gamesense/feel for the games to be great, combined with practice.. and Idra is missing that, which is why he cant defend simple cheese half the time, he has no adjusting, just 10 hours a day of practicing tthe latest "korean build" out.. Remember the first beta reset, Idra was like 200-150 on the US server?? A talented RTS player owns from the very first patch because they have a superior mental game than just 1000 hours of buildorders practiced.
Its respectable to have the dedication idra has, but since hes such a bm dick to everyone, i am calling it how I see it. He would of never got past courage, yet Nony almost did it his first try.
i'd say its close between nony and idra but i definitely disagree with your "a talented rts player owns from the very first patch" statement nony did not play much until atleast 1-2 weeks into beta but he was definitely NOT doing so hot when he finally did start remember his account "Tyler"? you can't bring up the fact that idra was 200-150 with P before first reset and think thats a good point protoss definitely does NOT suit idra's macro playstyle
and almost everyone (except smuft) had pretty ugly stats (including nony)
On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote: Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet.
Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3.
I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised.
Except... he really is that good?
God every thread becomes "I hate Idra cuz he's mean"
Except that I didn't say anything like that.
From what I have seen in tourneys, IdrA is good, but not special compared to top Euro or even NA players. If he's really the best player on the NA server then perhaps I stand corrected, but just from the old eyeball test he just doesn't seem any better than most of what I've seen from elsewhere. Hence, while I believe that the Asian server probably does have a higher overall skill level, I would expect that to translate into IdrA not being a top player there.
Now maybe IdrA has evolved in the past month or so since I've seen him play, and he really does something amazing, but eh, I've never seen it.
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
I'm wondering whether he still has to play his full SC1-pensum besides SC2.... Or did CJ-Entus put him on full-SC2-duty? Think about how much he'd be playing if he had to play SC1 for 12 hours and still be massgaming that hard in SC2... Basically 20+ hours a day! ^^'
On May 14 2010 05:37 Azarkon wrote: Well, the issue with Idra is not that he doesn't play a lot, it's that he still isn't super solid against cheese. That, or he simply chooses not to deal with it in small tourneys.
Either way, Idra's gonna have to change his game after this latest patch.
i dont think idra would value a win in those tourneys either idra could be completely unpredictable with all-in cheese as well, to keep his opponents honest and from building completely around his build but instead he just does the exact 14/15 pool 16expo build every single game he knows everybody knows, but hes just going to do it and see if you can stop him
lol he's like savior going 3 hatch "i know you know i'm going to do it. but there is nothing you can do to stop it."
except idra isn't good with cheese and savior pwns cheese or standard
-fixed
lol he's like savior going 3 hatch "i know you know i'm going to do it. but there is nothing you can do to stop it except for paying me money."
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
I'm wondering whether he still has to play his full SC1-pensum besides SC2.... Or did CJ-Entus put him on full-SC2-duty? Think about how much he'd be playing if he had to play SC1 for 12 hours and still be massgaming that hard in SC2... Basically 20+ hours a day! ^^'
I don't think its registering in people's heads that IdrA and Artosis play on the NA server with anywhere from 1-2 seconds of lag and are still raping. When the play on Asia they have close to 0 lag and are able to play in a close to ideal situation. If/when IdrA and Artosis play against American players on the NA server they have a clear lag disadvantage in comparison to the American players. Similarly, Europeans also have a lag disadvantage vs Americans when playing on the NA server. Supposedly it is much better for Euro than it is for Korea now. So in a situation where its Korea vs Europe in might be a slight lag advantage to Euro, but should be relatively close.
On that same note it is hard to deal with cheese when you have a clear lag disadvantage because at that time there is a much higher premium on micro vs macro and its a lot harder to micro when you're getting a delay.
I'm not saying anyone country/region/etc. is better than one another, but I really feel like people are not giving players their due credit.
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
I'm wondering whether he still has to play his full SC1-pensum besides SC2.... Or did CJ-Entus put him on full-SC2-duty? Think about how much he'd be playing if he had to play SC1 for 12 hours and still be massgaming that hard in SC2... Basically 20+ hours a day! ^^'
On May 14 2010 08:08 bokchoi wrote: I don't think its registering in people's heads that IdrA and Artosis play on the NA server with anywhere from 1-2 seconds of lag and are still raping. When the play on Asia they have close to 0 lag and are able to play in a close to ideal situation. If/when IdrA and Artosis play against American players on the NA server they have a clear lag disadvantage in comparison to the American players. Similarly, Europeans also have a lag disadvantage vs Americans when playing on the NA server. Supposedly it is much better for Euro than it is for Korea now. So in a situation where its Korea vs Europe in might be a slight lag advantage to Euro, but should be relatively close.
On that same note it is hard to deal with cheese when you have a clear lag disadvantage because at that time there is a much higher premium on micro vs macro and its a lot harder to micro when you're getting a delay.
I'm not saying anyone country/region/etc. is better than one another, but I really feel like people are not giving players their due credit.
has tasteless ever confirmed lag issues on US servers? Because taking something from Artosis/Idra that makes em look better at face value is generally not a good idea.
I've been asking about moon also cause everyone was pumpin up the fact he was gonna dominate. I heard he was getting owned left and right and then he dropped off the planet.
On May 14 2010 05:07 SC2Pandemic wrote: Damn Idra plays alot, All of those games played on this account, then you must take into account that he also plays his US account.
Not to mention all the resets that have happened. That kid lives and breathes SC2, too bad he still is terrible against cheese and all ins.
by the time he had 350 wins on asia he had just 100 wins on his US account imo, hes slacking...If i played 12-14 hours a day i could easy have more games played than he does @.@
That's 450 total wins, with 200ish losses your looking at about 650 games. Could you really do better than that? Also I doubt he only plays starcraft 2, he is on a progaming team and I expect still plays starcraft 1 at least occasionally.
hes full time sc2 player.. and gets paid to play.. so i dont see anything wrong with his 600 game.. i got to 120+ games in a week, when playing for 2 hours a day... casually
On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote: Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet.
Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3.
I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised.
Except... he really is that good?
God every thread becomes "I hate Idra cuz he's mean"
mad props to idra for training broodwar 9 hours a day, then training 3+ hours sc2 on the side.
i don't think anyone would have a problem with idra if he had any concept of losing a GAME graciously.
imagine if all players on battlenet did 'idrage' after every loss...
Why do you think he still trains Broodwar? He's certainly not playing in any Broodwar tourneys that I know of. He was set to show in the WCG qualifiers but I don't think he actually did.
On May 14 2010 04:52 scintilliaSD wrote: Ooh, IdrA #3 Zerg on the Asian servers combined. That's pretty sweet.
Hard to believe that the Asian SC2 community is noticeably better than Euro or NA if IdrA is #3.
I'd expect him to be in the 20s or 30s if it was as tough as advertised.
Except... he really is that good?
God every thread becomes "I hate Idra cuz he's mean"
mad props to idra for training broodwar 9 hours a day, then training 3+ hours sc2 on the side.
i don't think anyone would have a problem with idra if he had any concept of losing a GAME graciously.
imagine if all players on battlenet did 'idrage' after every loss...
I don't have to imagine it, its already like that. I even do it myself sometime, but I have to say at the upper platinum levels, it seems like under 50% actually say gg.
In the Artosis-Replaypack there were some games he played as 'Limper' too, so they prolly share that acc for some reason or he just mixed some idra replays in
First Blizzard has to decide whether or not the distribution is caused by the amount of better gamers before the game mechanics. Having a small amount of Protoss in the 2000+ rating can't be directly linked to Protoss being underpowered.
But yeah, I wasn't surprised to see many zerg in the high ratings.
loool Top 18 only has one Protoss which is NEX, 1st place.
Btw, anyone knows when did that information started getting gathered? Because if we take in account the several patches, it could be a lot different. If that info was just from patch 12 or patch 11 until now, then with all the nerfs protoss has gotten it's safe to assume, many have left them for other races, and the winning average would be much less than those 57%.
On May 14 2010 04:56 Bear4188 wrote: I like how Idra has double the wins and a higher % than everyone above him, but is "worse". Cool system, Blizzard.
On May 14 2010 07:34 Skyze wrote: disagree. Nony > Idra, and if they play in any tourneys soon he will show it again. idra wins from mass gaming, and you cant suck if you play 500+ games in the span of 2 weeks, esp if you are living in a progaming house.. but when it comes to actual skill and RTS "talent".. Nony is head and shoulders above of idra. Nony can take months off, come back barely playing any games and beat idra no prob, as we saw in TSL2.
On May 17 2010 06:03 cyclone25 wrote: Thanks for posting these rankings. Any idea if Freedom is in that list? I'm curious about his win percentage ^^
I was trying to work out his name by looking at some of the vods he has featured in lately but the quality is too low to properly make it out (for me at least), although it is 4 characters long and I'm sure the 1st and 3rd are 김 and 르 respectively. He's not in that ranking list therefore so I guess he's not so bothered about the ladder for now with all the different tournaments going on, or he's making use of a few different names to just get on with playing in peace.
TY you posting this. Tester's "NEX" SC2 progaming team is doing incredible, all their members are doing extremely well. To all of IdrA's detractors, haters gotta hate, Limper's gotta skate
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