Patch 12 - Changes and Discussion - Page 66

On May 14 2010 20:21 Silentness wrote:
Incoming edit*

I thought that Zerg was going to get changes to Ultralisks this patch? So how come all they got was nerfed??

Confused. It's good to see a Terran buff, but are they still waiting on the ultralisk?

On May 14 2010 20:16 Ballistixz wrote:



if they made hydras t1 they would have to severly nerf them in some fashion which none of us want.

On May 14 2010 20:31 ChinaRestaurant wrote:
... Now im looking forward to a Marauder nerf (im thinking hp/cost decrease and maybe a slight damage shift giving them more bonus damage against armored but less basis damage combined with less overall damage. Supply increase couldve worked if there was something like 2.5 supply but there isnt so a hp decrease together with a cost decrease would be the best course to take imo). Not sure on how to fix protoss tho, but they dont seem as broken as zerg were and terran is as you still have voidrays easily accessible and viable and theres still forcefield which might need some work. All in all if there will be another change like the roach nerf to marauders i think the units will pretty much be balanced statwise. peace out

On May 14 2010 20:37 summerloud wrote:


i totally agree, and as for the problem with 2.5 supply - thats why i think the idea of doubling supply cost for all units and raising the cap to 400 or 500 would be really good - rauders would be a good unit for 5 supply. i also really like the idea of converting more of their damage to +vs armored

the problem with voidrays is just that they dont lose their charge when switching units, if that would be changed they would be the dedicated anti-capital ship fighter they are supposed to be, and not the "owns everything when charged up" monster they are now

edit: maybe make them instantly lose charge when they move without firing would be a good compromise

On May 14 2010 03:24 Kletus wrote:
Wow, what an indirect marauder nerf!

Seriously guys, stop whining; it's not the end just because roaches are at 2 food now. I, for one, think that this is a positive change because roaches are boring and I'm looking forward to seeing them used less.

On May 14 2010 20:30 prototype. wrote:
Remember when roaches were unique?

Now it's a unit... that attacks ground. And it's gradually getting worse at doing that.

On May 14 2010 20:29 ArdentZeal wrote:
to apply a little math.
early / midgame:

before patch --> one overlord every 8 roaches
after patch --> one overlord every 4 roaches

==> cost of 8 roaches is increased by 100 minerals and one larvae so 850m / 200g instead of 700m / 200g and 10 larvae instead of 9

a nerf for sure, but not as big as everyone makes us believe it is in early / midgame. I guess the real problem occurs somewhere lategame, in which building 150 roaches is no longer a viable possibility.

In my opinion, this is a step closer to get the ultra as a tank and not just roaches. Give the zerg their long-anticipated ultrabuff and we should be fine.

On May 14 2010 21:09 Silent_Tao wrote:
Couple of thoughts after playing in patch 12

I'm a zerg player and honestly i'm not so sad about the roach change, i think it has inside a huge advantage for the zerg players in term of making zvz a bit more intresting. i was expirimenting in making mass speedlings with more success after the patch, and maybe we will start with the

roaches>>bangelings>>speedlings>>roaches dynamic more often in zvz then just mass roaches - at least in early game.

a lot of guys already meantioned that the financial change is not that big. and i'm not so afraid of 200/200 it's pretty rare situtation - and on 200/200 force i'll probably spend my money on diffrenet units then roaches.

waiting for the ultralisk buff though, even with it's 25 attack it's still ridicoulously weak/

On May 14 2010 21:02 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I'm a little miffed at the Thor change. I wish they just fixed the path finding instead of slowly unepicing all the units that used to be epic.