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Tidesson
Profile Joined April 2010
55 Posts
May 13 2010 18:13 GMT
#241
I'm actually happy about the roach change, i think a supply change or increase in unit cost was due; it was too easy to mass them given the zerg production speed + cheap cost + 1 supply. It's not that the unit was NERFED in any way, its still like it was before, you just need to SPAWN MOAR OVERLORDS, don't cry that much. The roach rushes were getting a bit out of hand i can tell you that from personal experience (at least on EU). The forge change is ok too, helps against cannonrush and well its 10 seconds, not that much either. The vortex change was bound to happen too. Thor change, gotta wait and see, maybe with the reduction in size a reduction in power will be needed, we'll see how it plays out. I guess terran will welcome it on their mech builds which seem to be gaining popularity after recent tank changes. They said the ultralisk was going to be changed, most probably in the next patch release, and after the roach change its very probable that it's going to get a huge boost!
Bobby Kotick: from now on, this company shall be called BeLizard. Derp derp.
Code
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada634 Posts
May 13 2010 18:13 GMT
#242
On May 14 2010 03:11 baeracaed wrote:
Probably worth noting that way less Zerglings will be able to surround Thors now.

hmm good point...i guess this change has both pros and cons
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#243
On May 14 2010 03:12 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:10 Jyvblamo wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:08 billyX333 wrote:
Roaches are just too mighty to be a 1 supply unit. In 200 supply battles Roaches can be very difficult to deal with even with the correct counters in play by protoss or terran players.


blizzard is balancing the game for players who encounter 200/200 supply roaches
thank you, this was a huge issue
bw's hydralisk was 1 supply, i'd much rather mass bw hydraling than sc2 roachling (esp. now)
T_T!

Being able to flood with ~50 roaches after a huge late game battle was actually a big issue in high level play.


and how has this been changed?


Well you can only make 25 Roaches for the same food cost. Do you think before you post?
Sensator
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia377 Posts
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#244
Is there any hope for Zerg in the future? I mean seriously. Blizzard must have put no thought process into this nerf.
MrRey
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 18:14:58
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#245
On May 14 2010 03:11 iG.CatZ wrote:
sigh, just give me chat channels or i quit this is so dumb


Blizzard won't give us channels because there would be too much rage on it with those kind of patches ^^.

I feel that the zergs can't be called "the Swarm" anymore. There're more units in a terran army now.
It kills zerg spirit.

I play random by the way.
StarcraftGuy4U
Profile Joined May 2010
United States74 Posts
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#246
As a Protoss player I look forward to no longer needing immortal tech every game, I am confident zerg will remain a heavy contender.
Jdanzi
Profile Joined March 2010
England78 Posts
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#247
On May 14 2010 03:13 Code wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:11 baeracaed wrote:
Probably worth noting that way less Zerglings will be able to surround Thors now.

hmm good point...i guess this change has both pros and cons


yes pros for terran cons for zerg lol. Like we all knew when we read the patch notes.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#248
i feel good that i'm not playing this anymore. this is getting ridicoulos
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
general.snus
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway60 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 18:15:05
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#249
Anyone else having the crash after exiting the game? Happends to me all the time, so annoying since the sound really bugs up..
Housta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States57 Posts
May 13 2010 18:14 GMT
#250
I know the roach nerf sucks but i think it was necessary, in the meta game you can wipe an entire zerg army and they can easily re mass roaches even with a gas shortage
YJ_
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada36 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#251
Doesnt look like bliz wants to fix Marauders.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#252
Following jinro's line of thinking, I'd actually much, much prefer a minor health nerf to the roach, say down to 125 hp or less, and keep them swarmable. If you saw Kiwkaki vs sheth in the ace match of the first USA vs canada, it was SO cool how many units were swarming around. This would make early rushes a bit stronger in ZvP, but you can just use more lings or something. Reapers and hellions can barely touch roaches as it is.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#253
On May 14 2010 03:11 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:05 Zelniq wrote:
i'm confident the reason why there's almost no other changes to the game is just to see exactly how this single change effects the entire game..because they understand the gravity of it

tbh, as a zerg player, i'm pleased with this change. people became a little too dependent on roaches, this is the single best change to 'diversify zerg' that i can see.

however some changes to other units are probably in order, melee vs force field is a major issue for one, ultralisks are obviously another, etc

Yes, this is probably true, but it's just so un-zerg for all their units to cost 2 supply (hydra and roach) =/

ya i dislike the hydra unit tbh..i prefer the weaker, faster, 1 supply low tech hydras from bw much much more. the harder hitting/expensive/slow hydra just does not fit with zerg..but perhaps if hydras were weaker and did less dmg but were cheaper/tier 1..it'd be just too overpowered

i just wish melee was more viable vs force fields..then we have 2 tier 1, 1 supply units that would be useful
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NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#254
On May 14 2010 03:13 waxypants wrote:
Why are people calling this a Terran buff? Now it seems like Thors will clump more for better AoE attacks/spells.


Because of the maps. They have ridocolously small chokes etc, so the Thors when in big numbers have a hard time forming proper arcs, they also block other units.

Ultralisks have the same issue, except since their melee they have it even worse.

Now with this you can get alot more Thors attacking the same time.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#255
On May 14 2010 03:12 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:10 Jyvblamo wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:08 billyX333 wrote:
Roaches are just too mighty to be a 1 supply unit. In 200 supply battles Roaches can be very difficult to deal with even with the correct counters in play by protoss or terran players.


blizzard is balancing the game for players who encounter 200/200 supply roaches
thank you, this was a huge issue
bw's hydralisk was 1 supply, i'd much rather mass bw hydraling than sc2 roachling (esp. now)
T_T!

Being able to flood with ~50 roaches after a huge late game battle was actually a big issue in high level play.


and how has this been changed?

I didn't mean to imply that it was changed haha.
Bluerain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States348 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#256
On May 14 2010 03:05 Zelniq wrote:
i'm confident the reason why there's almost no other changes to the game is just to see exactly how this single change effects the entire game..because they understand the gravity of it

tbh, as a zerg player, i'm pleased with this change. people became a little too dependent on roaches, this is the single best change to 'diversify zerg' that i can see.

however some changes to other units are probably in order, melee vs force field is a major issue for one, ultralisks are obviously another, etc


diversify in as never use the roach? lol
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#257
On May 14 2010 03:12 Amestir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2010 03:10 Jyvblamo wrote:
On May 14 2010 03:08 billyX333 wrote:
Roaches are just too mighty to be a 1 supply unit. In 200 supply battles Roaches can be very difficult to deal with even with the correct counters in play by protoss or terran players.


blizzard is balancing the game for players who encounter 200/200 supply roaches
thank you, this was a huge issue
bw's hydralisk was 1 supply, i'd much rather mass bw hydraling than sc2 roachling (esp. now)
T_T!

Being able to flood with ~50 roaches after a huge late game battle was actually a big issue in high level play.


Don't know about you, but I hardly ever reach 200/200 supply in any game. Most of my games are over way to quick for that to happen.

I have to agree tough that the Zerg was able to generate an insane amount of Roaches very quickly.


Except in the late game supply isn't as much of an issue as it is in the early game, imo this just nerfs zerg early game even more.
Simplification
Profile Joined May 2010
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 18:18:12
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#258
This patch only effect roaches late game, since, early game, lets face it 1-2 overlords @100 min, is kind of like getting community service for a DUI.
RawrAnOcean
Profile Joined February 2006
United States359 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#259
I'm glad I play Terran.
I was a Z player in BW and I really wanted to play them in SC2. Nerf after Nerf I slowly drift away from the mighty Zerg race.
Syro
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany113 Posts
May 13 2010 18:15 GMT
#260
lol

I don't know why Z must nerfed every patch.. Gogo mass Hydras, f*ck of* Roach
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