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HydroXy
United States513 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:10 Jyvblamo wrote: Being able to flood with ~50 roaches after a huge late game battle was actually a big issue in high level play. Assuming the zerg's overlords are all still alive, the patch didn't fix this problem. Cost is the same so the zerg can still just mass as many roaches as he has larvae. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:10 Jyvblamo wrote: Being able to flood with ~50 roaches after a huge late game battle was actually a big issue in high level play. Don't know about you, but I hardly ever reach 200/200 supply in any game. Most of my games are over way to quick for that to happen. I have to agree tough that the Zerg was able to generate an insane amount of Roaches very quickly. | ||
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Cuber
Poland48 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:09 Sohma wrote: Roach pwned....Yeah why not :/(as a toss player, couldn't care less, anyway I just don't lose to mass roach just like most players....). But the forge nerf, wtf oO.Not gonna change much imo.... I moderated ur post so it makes more sense now, Roach pwned....Yeah why not :/(as a toss player, couldn't care less, anyway I just don't lose to mass roach just like most players....). But the forge nerf, wtf oO ^^ | ||
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Gomas
Poland312 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:06 MaD.pYrO wrote: To be fair i have seen many Zergs use Zerglings to great extent, i'm not sure why they're so underestimated by most players. I don't know why ppl whine about Zlings so much as well, IMHO, Speedlings is the scariest Zerg-Unit besides Broodlords. Maybe give them a better T3-Upgrade, but Speedlings in large Numbers can just rip through any Army that does not have heavy AoE-Units. Try to fight with Any Terran ground-force without Hellions or Tanks against Mass-Speedlings - NIGHTMARE! ^^' Also, if they catch you out of position with your tanks, they'll just rape you. I try not to go Hellions in TvZ, just to try out some new builds and with Mass-Marines Speedlings are sooo scary, until your siegetanks get out and even then you have to be very cautious when moving out to not get counterattacked or backstabbed when the Tanks aren't sieged yet. Just like I don't use Marauders as Terran (which works fine for me), I don't think going Roaches is that necessary as Zerg. I just think that Roaches now aren't as good anymore obviously, but they don't have a clear role in the game, so basically, you have no reason to build them anymore, right? ^^' | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
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Twilexia
United States62 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Decent changes, well done Blizzard. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:10 Jyvblamo wrote: Being able to flood with ~50 roaches after a huge late game battle was actually a big issue in high level play. and how has this been changed? | ||
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:01 StarBrift wrote: Roaches are still going to be a viable 2 base tank unit that takes the brunt of the damage. The only change is that you actually ahve to pop an overlord or two extra when massing them. Anyone who made roaches early game was going all in anyway. How does this change affect ZvT at all? Speedling / spines into lair is what the standard build is. Going roaches early against terran has allways been a huge gamble because of the posibility of a marauder counter before your lair tech hits. The roach is now fixed in its roll as a tanking unit. It does affect it. I don't know at what league you play or what points you play, but going Lings into Lair isn't that viable. Terrans now know that Mech opening is the best way to go, and you NEED Roaches early game to fight against Hellions. Otherwise you will take 1. too much damage 2. need to overspend on cost-inefficient zerglings. 3. Make numerous Spine Crawlers, which also have now decrease efficiency because of the nerf to their rooting time. These things lead to delayed tech or worse economy. While the Terran has numerous options depending what the Zerg does. (Going expand, switching to marauder / hellion, going Banshee, going Thor or going for Siege tank push, which for example is extremely strong on Steppes of War.) Roaches on the other hand are extremely cost efficient against Hellions, but even they have problems on open maps with wide naturals etc. Now with this nerf, it will be harder to deal with. | ||
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HeyheyLBJ
Sweden160 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:10 Jyvblamo wrote: Being able to flood with ~50 roaches after a huge late game battle was actually a big issue in high level play. And is not solved with this change cause by then you have already enough overlords to support that after your army has died. Why can't the roach has a role it's good at? Every other unit is allowed to, but not the roach for some reason? | ||
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t3tsubo
Canada682 Posts
And i guess 200 supply of roaches beat 200 supply of any other non air army, so they nerfed it. Too bad it couldnt take 1.5 supply. Thor change seems reasonable | ||
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Smikis
Lithuania117 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:06 MaD.pYrO wrote: To be fair i have seen many Zergs use Zerglings to great extent, i'm not sure why they're so underestimated by most players. cuz they are so easy to counter.. zerglings are not viable in mid-lategame.. armies becomes too big.. tanks/helions/rines rapes zerglings, shit helions rape zergings early too colosus , ff and zealots rape zerglings.. , sure its decent unit early, but thats about it.. you would still have 40 zergling stoped by 7+ marauders/zealots at any ramp.. even if zerglings are supposed to counter both of them in open field.. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1186 Posts
Or may be pvt match up? Or may be anything versus terran? First I was like "LOLOLOLOL" After that i got angry cause of those changes... Well.. ANGRY LOL haha | ||
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ymirheim
Sweden300 Posts
On May 14 2010 02:49 Kennigit wrote: + Radius decreased from 1.375 to 0.8125. + Model size reduced to match new radius. FINALLY edit: Also I don't think that the roach change is as big of a deal as it may seem. It is really only going to have a huge impact on late game when you are maxing out on supply. | ||
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University
United States263 Posts
ZERG o Roach + Supply count increased from 1 to 2. Oh my god. I am not the one to act dramatically about patch changes... but wow. This is huge. Also: Thank God the Thor's size was reduced. It was a cool unit... but simply out of hand haha. | ||
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Jdanzi
England78 Posts
On May 14 2010 03:12 kickinhead wrote: I don't know why ppl whine about Zlings so much as well, IMHO, Speedlings is the scariest Zerg-Unit besides Broodlords. this User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post - History of 1 liners and shit posts. | ||
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