EPTSkill level difference between US and Asia server - Page 4
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
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WAAA
New Zealand291 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:11 3clipse wrote: I don't know why I bother, but... Ratings are accurate measures of skill. You play matches vs the bnet population at large, not only with those in your division. One's division has no bearing on rating. One's division does have a bearing on rank, as being in a new division or one with weaker/inactive players makes it easy to obtain high ranks with a low rating. In summary: Rank is dependent on rating and division. Divisions are arbitrarily constructed, rendering rank useless. Rating is independent of division and is drawn from an increasingly large pool of players (as you play more games). TBH I thought like you.. but that is a direct quote from blizzard you are argueing with (atleast I think it is havent clicked link). | ||
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Windblade
United States161 Posts
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
On May 14 2010 12:53 Windblade wrote: the cannon cheese on desert oasis is kinda old...i did that myself on the map b/c i hate it so much why not just tumb it down ? | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
I think the US has one important advantage over the Koreans (and over Asia). Community. In Asia, everyone's playing, everyone has their own clans, their own things, etc. In the US, many of the top players and minds convene together... whether it be at TL, over some other place, top US minds are sharing what they know. Sure, Koreans will play more. But everyone has gotta take advantage of all the knowledge being dropped by all the pros we have here at TL. It's one way you're going to be able to keep up with the Koreans. Learn, because learning from other people's mistakes is faster than learning from your own. That's what school is for... and I think people have proved school is pretty effective. | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
 )And the lower leagues of asia are so much harder then the lower leagues of EU and US. I dont know about platinum, but i assume its at least a bit harder, because im in silver and playing silver players and maintain less then 50% winrate and it feels much harder then playing platinum players on the US/EU servers | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On May 14 2010 12:44 stork4ever wrote: ahh one guy's experience and now US is full of noob scrubs that have to read the description of each unit they are trying to build with an apm of 15 (apm of 300 if one includes eating/drinking/texting at the same time). Yeah gotta love anecdotes. As far as I'm concerned this thread is pointless until the top koreans play the top EU/US players and rape them. I would believe that asia has a larger abundance of good players and therefore a more balanced playing field, but as far as being better than US or EU i dunno. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On May 14 2010 12:51 WAAA wrote: TBH I thought like you.. but that is a direct quote from blizzard you are argueing with (atleast I think it is havent clicked link). Honestly, rating is a much better judge of skill than ranking, but they're both only so good. The best judge of skill is looking at rating and win %. For example, I am like 2050 right now, and so is nony, but he absolutely wrecks me PvP. Similarly, OneSmile and masq are both around 2050 also, but masq is much much better, at least at TvP. It also really depends on the MU though. I have a positive record against all the top zergs I've played so far other than zelniq, but I get destroyed whenever I play like nony, qxc, nhqne, etc. | ||
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
On May 13 2010 15:55 eXNewB wrote: ASIA because they have teams over there that PAY kids to play all day... you don't see that in north america (for this game at least) Not a single active broodwar progamer with the exception of idra has switched over yet, and none of the proteams have sc2 divisions yet as far as i know | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On May 14 2010 14:37 calvinL wrote: Not a single active broodwar progamer with the exception of idra has switched over yet, and none of the proteams have sc2 divisions yet as far as i know Plus the progamers weren't much better in the first few years of BW anyway... Elky and some others were just as strong as like every korean progamer for a long time. | ||
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skypacer
China174 Posts
On May 13 2010 16:40 Art_of_Kill wrote: its not a secret that the width of good player is ASIA > EU > US, but the top player on all the three server are pretty close in skill To be honest, top guys especially those who are former Korean Starcraft progamers in Asian server are much better. | ||
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Khadgars
United States38 Posts
In comparison, in the US tons of people are playing Star Craft for the first time, some its the first RTS they played (tons of WoW recruits for sure). I think we all agree that the top players in all three zones are about equal, and debating which area has the better "average" base is meaningless at this point since the pool from which we are judging is too small at the moment. Have to wait until a decent time after release to understand the relationship properly. | ||
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BADSMCGEE
United States94 Posts
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Khadgars
United States38 Posts
On May 14 2010 13:01 rotinegg wrote: So my friend, a 1650 rating platinum toss on US server, has flown to korea and played on the ASIA server. He went 1-4 in placement matches and is getting his ass raped in bronze, very similar story to OP. I am joining him on May 19th to go back home, and am trembling in anticipation. I am a 1200~1700 (1600~1700 before reset, sitting at 1210 now with 19-13 rec) platinum zerg player on US, and have a feeling that I will get manhandled in korea. Only time will tell, and I will be sure to report on TL how it feels. A lot of the plat players in the US are not really plat players. Here in the US the placement matches can set you up with players who have never played the game before or are still very new to it. If you get lucky you can skate your way into plat easily with out being that good. That doesn't happen in Korea because every one that has a beta key LOVES star craft. Like I said, its too early to be talking about the average players. You need to compare apples to apples and the only way to do that is comparing the top players with each other. It's pretty even across EU, NA, Asia. | ||
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ScN.gosu
Canada18 Posts
On May 14 2010 13:00 Wings wrote: I'm actually going to go against the tide here. I think the US has one important advantage over the Koreans (and over Asia). Community. In Asia, everyone's playing, everyone has their own clans, their own things, etc. In the US, many of the top players and minds convene together... whether it be at TL, over some other place, top US minds are sharing what they know. Sure, Koreans will play more. But everyone has gotta take advantage of all the knowledge being dropped by all the pros we have here at TL. It's one way you're going to be able to keep up with the Koreans. Learn, because learning from other people's mistakes is faster than learning from your own. That's what school is for... and I think people have proved school is pretty effective. lol if you watch any of Artossis videos you would know that this could not be farther from the truth. The Koreans dont just spam games and play individually. They share ideas and thoughts as well. I mean the 5 best players for sc2 in korea are living together. I however feel that the Asia server is not harder AT ALL. The quality of the average player may be slightly higher, but still not hard. I mean I get cheesed in Asia plat 8/10 games, I mean its ALWAYS cheese on Asia. So I dont belive there is much difference in skill yet (consedering all of the progamers from bw have not yet switched over). | ||
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Comet702
China236 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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