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On May 13 2010 16:30 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
LET IT BE KNOWN!
The great debate: Which server has a stronger bronze division: ASIA
what a relief!
OP loses. rofl. I agree entirely. Get platinum and actually play. who cares if they "amazingly!" know how to use workers properly. See what it's like playing the top compared to the "top". Even in America, I find there's a huge difference in the level of play between plat 1500+ (ish) and lower level platinums. This is no comparison at all.
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On May 13 2010 15:26 DarkwindHK wrote:
I have been using an account in US server for a month now, keeping a rank near 20~30 Platinum.
Earlier this week my friend give me a beta key and I made an account, which land me in Asia server. So I start there, and it placed me in Bronze! (Well I did not use my main race in the placement)
So I start to use my main race again in ladder matches; Man the bronze league (or may be my opponents are silver) are so strong! My win rate is under 50% and I am just Bronze in Asia.
In US server, bronze level may just be learning what is FE and a proper build order.
In Asia.... man... they are already thinking how to bunker rush you/ air harass and out-macro you. I got cannon rush in Desert Oasis and he build the pylon below the cliff near my mineral lines!
I am pretty sure if those "bronze" level players in Asia migrate to US, they will all be top 20 in platinum....
That cannon rush isn't an uncommon strat on Desert Oasis in US servers either.
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So you lost vs strats you're not used to seeing... how is that significant? That happened in BW all the time.
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On May 13 2010 16:30 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
LET IT BE KNOWN!
The great debate: Which server has a stronger bronze division: ASIA
what a relief!
And we all know that anyone who isn't a top player on his server is irrelevant 
If bronze on asia is much better than bronze on US, that means there's less of a difference between plat and bronze, which does say something about the potential to produce large numbers of good players.
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I have an account on both servers, but I play mostly on Asia. I got into gold on the US server (my first five games ever) but only silver on Asia.
Although my experience on the US server is limited, I think that the Asia divisions are on average one level higher than US (so Asia bronze = US silver, Asia silver = US gold). This is just an approximation, but I think the average skill level is definitely higher. Obviously, this doesn't apply at the very top level as other guys have already pointed out.
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Asian players just like to harass you with everything they can think of and that's why new/inexperienced players will have a hard time on Asian server.
Or am I wrong?
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It's getting hard to believe you were ever platinum on US when you say such nooby stuff. Canons on desert oasis that can hit behind mineral lines is like month's old. In fact a lot of zergs, etc, don't put their spawning pool behind their mineral line on desert oasis for just this reason (not to mention with vision any unit can shoot from below and hit it).
And the build up there was based off a terran raven opening that AVILO (a US player) was the first to bring into the terran mainstream. If anything, the koreans copied it off him and NOT the other way around. Avilo was doing this since around patch 3. I've been watching replays from both US/EU/Asia servers since patch 1 and I didn't see any terran do anything like this in the early patches. Avilo's opening can be found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123717
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On May 13 2010 15:26 DarkwindHK wrote:
I have been using an account in US server for a month now, keeping a rank near 20~30 Platinum.
Earlier this week my friend give me a beta key and I made an account, which land me in Asia server. So I start there, and it placed me in Bronze! (Well I did not use my main race in the placement)
So I start to use my main race again in ladder matches; Man the bronze league (or may be my opponents are silver) are so strong! My win rate is under 50% and I am just Bronze in Asia.
In US server, bronze level may just be learning what is FE and a proper build order.
In Asia.... man... they are already thinking how to bunker rush you/ air harass and out-macro you. I got cannon rush in Desert Oasis and he build the pylon below the cliff near my mineral lines!
I am pretty sure if those "bronze" level players in Asia migrate to US, they will all be top 20 in platinum....
It's just kind of cheesy there... People just cheese like crazy (especially at lower levels like bronze).
EDIT: I never on play Asia but i'm like top 5 silver I think...
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so i finally played few games on us server ...
went 13-1 1350+ points, every game vs 1600~1800 platin (some of them cryed after game about balances^^, while i played rnd)
its definitively that us server lacks in the width good player, to be honest most of the ~1700 guys i played today would barly make it out of gold on europe and since asia have a bigger width with good player then europe, its no surprise that lower us platin player makes it only into broze league in asia
dont like empty friendlist, so feel free to add me for some games
deutschland.ivan
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On May 13 2010 15:39 samuraibael wrote:
I dont know why people persist in using rank as a measure. Its utterly meaningless. Just use rating.
Rank is rating sorted. If you use rank it means you are using rating as a measure. I don't understand what you mean.
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On May 13 2010 22:47 Strykjarnet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2010 15:39 samuraibael wrote:
I dont know why people persist in using rank as a measure. Its utterly meaningless. Just use rating. Rank is rating sorted. If you use rank it means you are using rating as a measure. I don't understand what you mean.
Except #20 in division 108 can be 1300 points, while #20 in division 2 can be 1650. Big difference.
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On May 13 2010 16:30 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
LET IT BE KNOWN!
The great debate: Which server has a stronger bronze division: ASIA
what a relief!
LOL
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On May 13 2010 22:47 Strykjarnet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2010 15:39 samuraibael wrote:
I dont know why people persist in using rank as a measure. Its utterly meaningless. Just use rating. Rank is rating sorted. If you use rank it means you are using rating as a measure. I don't understand what you mean.
wrong.
Rank is rating sorted by division. Big difference there.
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...And suddenly we realize that platinum is like D+ iCCup anyway.
Props to Incontrol, I lol'd :D
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The asia scrubs are better than the other servers scrubs for sure.
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A lot of the bronze people in US are people who have never played SC1 or quit ages ago. Most of the bronze players in Korea are people who played SC1.
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On May 13 2010 15:26 DarkwindHK wrote:
I have been using an account in US server for a month now, keeping a rank near 20~30 Platinum.
Earlier this week my friend give me a beta key and I made an account, which land me in Asia server. So I start there, and it placed me in Bronze! (Well I did not use my main race in the placement)
So I start to use my main race again in ladder matches; Man the bronze league (or may be my opponents are silver) are so strong! My win rate is under 50% and I am just Bronze in Asia.
In US server, bronze level may just be learning what is FE and a proper build order.
In Asia.... man... they are already thinking how to bunker rush you/ air harass and out-macro you. I got cannon rush in Desert Oasis and he build the pylon below the cliff near my mineral lines!
I am pretty sure if those "bronze" level players in Asia migrate to US, they will all be top 20 in platinum....
that cannon rush is nothing new, but im sure the skill difference is huge... i already notice a difference playing on EU from NA and i can tell there much better
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huummm... I play zerg exclusively for about 3weeks now and:
I'm 1550ish US PLAT and having maximum trouble against Terran
I'm 1620ish ASIA PLAT and having no trouble against Terran only some Zerg players
and I'm around 1200ish EU PLAT and having SUPER HUGE trouble against Terran!
So imo.... EU > US > ASIA at laest for terran players
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that cannon rush is pretty old. it got me once. now i scout differently. haven't lost to it since.
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