• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:43
CEST 21:43
KST 04:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League59Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder Battle.net abbreviations list Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away. Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP Do we even care about balance?
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8528 users

Incentives to move out on the Map - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
mcgavin
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada47 Posts
May 09 2010 23:42 GMT
#61
I think that the reason why you don't see alot of people moving out of there base unless they plan to attack or expand is because the map pool is pretty limited and most map are either too small or too big. When it only takes 15-20 sec to reach your opponents natural, there is no insentive to take possition in the middle when you could just chill by your choke where your re-enforcement are closer. Otherwise, maps like desert oasis makes it very dangerous to venture out far in fear of counter attacks. There's a 50-50 chance your opponent will end up taking the other route and it just turns into an elimination race. All you need is 2-3 cheap unit in the middle to scout expos and towers.
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
May 10 2010 05:20 GMT
#62
On May 10 2010 08:42 mcgavin wrote:
I think that the reason why you don't see alot of people moving out of there base unless they plan to attack or expand is because the map pool is pretty limited and most map are either too small or too big. When it only takes 15-20 sec to reach your opponents natural, there is no insentive to take possition in the middle when you could just chill by your choke where your re-enforcement are closer. Otherwise, maps like desert oasis makes it very dangerous to venture out far in fear of counter attacks. There's a 50-50 chance your opponent will end up taking the other route and it just turns into an elimination race. All you need is 2-3 cheap unit in the middle to scout expos and towers.


I don't think any map is too big and DO is o dangerous to move out cuz of the 2 different paths...
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 10 2010 05:25 GMT
#63
The problem right now is that players arent familiar enough with the races and units to truly be able to tell what they can get a way with when it comes to expanding. Expanding was the main reason to leave your base in broodwar, and it no doubt will be in SC2 as well. Once players learn what unit comps and timings allow them to drop an expo down, then we will start to see more movement.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
May 10 2010 05:26 GMT
#64
against zerg i move out asap, the last thing i want to do is move out and see half the map full of his creep **** and his units are running circles around me. I hate the creep and even when I'm zerg and I spread tumors like rats spread disease I feel like I'm cheating somehow.
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 05:33:46
May 10 2010 05:32 GMT
#65
lol believe it or not, I have the most trouble against a P that sits tight in base and gets out 5-6 collusus then pushes out. It's quite gg

Or a T that pushes out with 4-5 Thors with mass Helions.

Mind you, this can be done quite quickly so that the advantage of having extra bases hasn't kicked in yet.

lol maybe i'm just noob but yea =S
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
May 10 2010 05:34 GMT
#66
On May 04 2010 16:00 imBLIND wrote:
what about scout towers?
what about mineral patches that give more money?
what about having buildable terrain on the map so people can proxy?

how about winning the game? i don't think thats a reason to move out yet is it?

You might wanna play more games if you haven't already.


strong douchebaggery here
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 10 2010 05:37 GMT
#67
On May 10 2010 14:34 StayFrosty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 16:00 imBLIND wrote:
what about scout towers?
what about mineral patches that give more money?
what about having buildable terrain on the map so people can proxy?

how about winning the game? i don't think thats a reason to move out yet is it?

You might wanna play more games if you haven't already.


strong douchebaggery here

...Because he is right?
Honestly, those are three legit reasons.
And its not like there wasn't turtling in scbw D:
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
Darby.mcg
Profile Joined May 2010
United States16 Posts
May 10 2010 06:19 GMT
#68
Im not super pro, not by a long shot, but i do find it easier to do a 1 basing turtle strategy than any other. With Terran I just scan to make sure they aren't expanding, so i don't have to move out. With Protoss I just make an obs and patrol with it, and I don't really play Zerg much. If im moving out, I send 1 or 2 guys to the watch towers, and make sure there isn't anything coming and THEN i move out. I dont need to constantly move around.
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
May 10 2010 09:54 GMT
#69
On May 10 2010 14:37 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2010 14:34 StayFrosty wrote:
On May 04 2010 16:00 imBLIND wrote:
what about scout towers?
what about mineral patches that give more money?
what about having buildable terrain on the map so people can proxy?

how about winning the game? i don't think thats a reason to move out yet is it?

You might wanna play more games if you haven't already.


strong douchebaggery here

...Because he is right?
Honestly, those are three legit reasons.
And its not like there wasn't turtling in scbw D:


And it's not like you understand the topic at all....

Plz ppl - read the post's before you start writing stuff we've discussed 10x before in this thread.

It's not about expanding or getting single Units out on the Map, it's about constant movement and holding positions on the Map without necessarily attacking or expanding.
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
KULA_u
Profile Joined March 2010
Switzerland107 Posts
May 10 2010 11:00 GMT
#70
I agree. units like the colossus, reaper, nydus, burrowed moving, medics that are also dropships, transformers (these are ok though, because they aren't that strong), etc. and bad map design force you to stay in your base, making it kind of boring to play and really boring to watch.

giving the player some real good incentives would really counteract this. watchtowers could be made more interesting (like only revealing the map in one direction, but farther.). High ground advantage HAS to come back. it is just so extremely sad, that all maps are basically flat with some minor obstacles. (high ground is either an extreme advantage or no advantage at all...) they improved the design possibilities with rocks, grass, watchtowers and yellow minerals, but just took away the most important thing in mapdesign: high ground.
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AI Arena Tournament
02:00
RO8 - Day 1
FEL
18:00
ScienceCraft - Day 1
RotterdaM654
IndyStarCraft 362
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 654
IndyStarCraft 362
mouzHeroMarine 327
JuggernautJason79
EmSc Tv 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 896
ZZZero.O 129
Dewaltoss 110
Sexy 40
HiyA 38
Mong 31
Hyuk 31
Dota 2
Cr1tdota2052
canceldota92
febbydoto3
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 604
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu623
Trikslyr111
MindelVK17
Other Games
Grubby3767
Liquid`RaSZi1958
FrodaN1945
singsing1698
B2W.Neo885
Beastyqt729
QueenE46
UpATreeSC23
ToD0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1430
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 17
EmSc2Tv 17
angryscii 12
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 56
• Adnapsc2 41
• HeavenSC 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 115
• 80smullet 26
• ChaeLyn 7
• FirePhoenix6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2633
League of Legends
• Jankos4179
• Nemesis3425
• Scarra1195
Other Games
• imaqtpie720
• Shiphtur486
• tFFMrPink 14
Upcoming Events
FEL
14h 17m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 17m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 16h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.