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Artosis said in his stream tonight that in his opinion zerg has the highest skill ceiling. You take this and play in a region(asian ladders) where the players are capable of so much you're bound to get a lot of good zerg players.
Also I read somwhere on TL that said sc2 zerg was somewhat similar to sc1 zerg in either units(obv lol) or macro or something. I didn't play sc1, but watching a lot of pro matches it seems that's the case. Ling muta is strong in sc1 and is strong in sc2. While sair/reaver isn't possible in sc2 and you have new units like sentries and collosus that you have to work with.
Idunno I think there are a lot of good points in the post by azro above mine as well.
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imo zerg and terran changed roles in SC2 a bit.
In SC1, zerg has to harrass the terran (for example with mutalisk) and expand himself to prevent getting owned by a timing push. In SC2 the terran has to harrass the zerg to prevent getting steamrolled in the lategame by macro zergs.
However, in SC1 the zerg was able to stop the terran even if the harrass didn't work out well (it wasn't very easy tough) but in SC2, the terran is pretty much owned without standing much of a chance if the harrass doesn't work out well.
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pfff korean zergs are nothing compared to some foreigners we got. the great thing about SC2 is the fact that everyone started off at the same time, korea in BW was ahead by like 2-3 years or something but now its all even so koreans are just as good, better and worse then some foreigners. nony, naz, tlo are all people that can play the race zerg and beat people of "korean zerg level" caliber with like np.
they may have a different style then us but that dont mean there better.
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On May 03 2010 20:39 zealing wrote: pfff korean zergs are nothing compared to some foreigners we got. the great thing about SC2 is the fact that everyone started off at the same time, korea in BW was ahead by like 2-3 years or something but now its all even so koreans are just as good, better and worse then some foreigners. nony, naz, tlo are all people that can play the race zerg and beat people of "korean zerg level" caliber with like np.
they may have a different style then us but that dont mean there better.
This is very misinformed. BW was not released in korea before it was in the USA.
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On May 03 2010 20:58 EnderW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 20:39 zealing wrote: pfff korean zergs are nothing compared to some foreigners we got. the great thing about SC2 is the fact that everyone started off at the same time, korea in BW was ahead by like 2-3 years or something but now its all even so koreans are just as good, better and worse then some foreigners. nony, naz, tlo are all people that can play the race zerg and beat people of "korean zerg level" caliber with like np.
they may have a different style then us but that dont mean there better. This is very misinformed. BW was not released in korea before it was in the USA.
i didn't say that did i? no i said that koreans were more into SC then we were when it first came out, they had pro leagues/courage and becoming a pro gamer was not uncommon. while in NA if you say i wanna be a pro gamer 99% of the time your going to get smacked upside the head :S
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I realize koreans got very good at sc1 but this is a different game. I am not going to assume the koreans are better than euro or usa at sc2 until it has been shown in tournaments.
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imo europe and usa are still eSport stone age in comparison to korea
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Artosis is streaming right now - v T this game delayed exp, speedlings into hydras and ovie speed.
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Do you guys really think that europe/us players could be equal with korean? Well a few might be able to put up a good fight, but when SC2 is released - more older it gets, bigger domination by Koreans will occur.
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For many years in BW Koreans have seen Jaedong and many other great Zerg progamers doing specific build (Lurker/Mutas) to pressure the opponent and expanding while you're at it, and use Defiler to fend off later attacks and eventually win with macro war/massive drops.
Almost same tactics can be applied in SC2 with Speedlings -> Spine Crawlers to defend -> Banelings/Mutas for pressure while expanding -> Infestor for late game -> Broodlords or Mass Roach/Hydra/Cracklings and few Infestors for ending. I've seen Koreans doing alot of multitasking with different unit composition (which they were used to doing it during BW with Lurker/Muta/Defiler control) and I think this is what sets Koreans from NA/EU players apart.
For example, I've rarely seen NA Zerg players using Burrow and Overlord Drops as much as Koreans did.
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can you hook it up with some more korean zerg reps plz?
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I been more impressed with dimaga then with korean zergs and idra/artosis tbh...
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On May 03 2010 21:47 Ricjames wrote: Do you guys really think that europe/us players could be equal with korean? Well a few might be able to put up a good fight, but when SC2 is released - more older it gets, bigger domination by Koreans will occur. You overestimate Koreans. A lot. If eSports outside Korea stays as small as it currently is then yes, Koreans will dominate. This probably won't be the case though.
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Ye i seen those i dont see how hes better then dimaga lol... serious...
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I don't play zergs for 1v1, but one of my guesses is that Korean Zergs are more aggressive. Every time I play against a zerg its always a FE passive zerg fending off harass or baneling bust.
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On May 03 2010 21:47 Ricjames wrote: Do you guys really think that europe/us players could be equal with korean? Well a few might be able to put up a good fight, but when SC2 is released - more older it gets, bigger domination by Koreans will occur.
that has got nothing to do with the way things are now (which this thread is about fyi)
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I could see koreans using different strategies such as ovie drop more. That is something I think foreign zergs have overlooked. It is really powerful and way better than nydus, in my opinion. However beyond that, the replays I've seen, there hasn't been much that they do that is particularly good compared to what foreigners do.
I almost want to blame korean lack of ability in p and t, but I haven't seen enough replays to know if that is the case.
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On May 03 2010 22:12 Technique wrote:Ye i seen those i dont see how hes better then dimaga lol... serious... I couldn't agree with you more. But imo they use a slightly different unit combination.
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On May 03 2010 20:10 bjwithbraces wrote: Artosis said in his stream tonight that in his opinion zerg has the highest skill ceiling. You take this and play in a region(asian ladders) where the players are capable of so much you're bound to get a lot of good zerg players.
Also I read somwhere on TL that said sc2 zerg was somewhat similar to sc1 zerg in either units(obv lol) or macro or something. I didn't play sc1, but watching a lot of pro matches it seems that's the case. Ling muta is strong in sc1 and is strong in sc2. While sair/reaver isn't possible in sc2 and you have new units like sentries and collosus that you have to work with.
Idunno I think there are a lot of good points in the post by azro above mine as well.
thats because its his race. Artosis has always been pretty biased, still an amazing person and commentator :p
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