EPTConcerns with a big SC2 scene in the West - Page 3
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:52 DarQraven wrote: The player on the receiving end is going to be annoyed at best if he isn't into that sort of stuff. It really depends on how you personally deal with it. I have friends who are big trash talkers during the game and I have played Brawl tournaments as well where players talk shit non stop but at the end of it I just laugh and focus on my game. With time you learn to ignore them. Ofcourse if I lose I might feel pissed depending far the person has gone but if I win the satisfactions is even great. And like I said in the end its all about the fun of the game and people never mean what they say. Same | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
also manner doesnt exactly mean telling someone to go fuck themselves, it could be refusing to play on their hosts, delaying them just because you want to, not allowing barred players, or purposely taking rules out of context. | ||
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Fortress
Sweden96 Posts
Either you love it, or you love to hate it, and it's easy to just ignore if you really don't care. But more importantly, players should be able to behave however they want towards eachother. Of course there are boundaries, like in real life, but fierce rivalry matches are always gonna bring in the biggest crowd. There's a difference between friendlies and championship matches, lets keep it that way. | ||
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bloodynose
Canada44 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
If there is no sportsmanship parents will not allow their kids to play competitively, and the (e)sport will phase out, with no support from underneath. | ||
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Spork
United States35 Posts
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segfix
United States32 Posts
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
It happens in China as well when we talk about the same games US players trash talk during with games like DotA and Counter-Strike. You are right the argument isn't valid at all. Europe is also not a nation to play innocent. At the WCG 2009 CS Grand Final the Polish and the Swedes where trash talking each other (LOL they don't understand each other), but because it wasn't in English no one knew what was going on till the chat was translated and people figured out they'd been trash talking the whole game. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
3 guys jumping in the air bellslapping each other < football 100 people waving shinny foam bats behind the away teams goal during free throws < basket ball people chanting USA < olympics well I guess we just dont have any professional sports in the us lolz | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:04 NeVeR wrote: Yeah, FPS players are generally low-life trash. =/ There should be regulations prohibiting BM in public tournaments. If we want SC2 to be a professional sport in the west, then we should hope that it will be run professionally. As bad as it sounds, Its true. I consider competitive gaming here a lost cause TBH. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
I think professionals should be used to trash talking though so I don't think its a problem there. What the problem is I think is people BM after the game is over and making up excuses for losing and not gg'ing. Professionals are still professionals in the end, you can't act like a someone who can't control their emotions. This happens in any sport, no matter how much trash talk there is, the players congratulate each other at the end. Putting aside what happened before because its only a part of game, not anything more. Otherwise you just give the e-sport a bad image. | ||
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WorkersOfTheWorld
United States619 Posts
On April 25 2010 10:22 GenoZStriker wrote: What does professional mean? :/ It means you get paid to do it. That's about it. | ||
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Mr.E
United States434 Posts
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
However, what example the pros set WILL have an effect on the general online population, especially if SC2 becomes as big as this thread suggests. Right now, if some guy on bnet acts like a moron during a match, he'll be considered BM. In some way, that's probably going to come back to him, some day. Even if it's only the fact that there is a concensus that he's BM, that could be enough. However, if immature BS like that is common, even encouraged among pro players, what moral high ground do we 'regular' players even have over these little dirtbags? Are you guys really looking forward to countless ladder matches being riddled by opponents taunting and smacktalking all the time? Do we want the counterstrike crowd in here? I must say I rather enjoy being able to play a game without having my sexuality questioned or being told what my mom did last night with my current opponent. | ||
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klez.gen
United States50 Posts
There will never be a big sc2 scene in the west. Once the DLC starts rolling in, the "scene" will be no different than activision's other products, namely call of duty. A bunch of people will play it online and hate each other, but that's about it (as far as anything good). | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On April 25 2010 10:11 Reborn8u wrote: when you make negative, vast generalizations about ppl "fps players are generally low life trash" I think it's time to take a hard look in the mirror and figure out who is bad mannered. Trash Talk IS a part of Professional competition in the west. So your argument is really invalid, every professional sport/game in the west has trash talk. So your saying the Major league baseball, football, basketball, MLG are all unprofessional because they allow trash talk? Either way the popularity of starcraft2 will make it an American Esport, some people will be polite some will bm get used to it and stop trying to dictate your morality on other people. Ever read the 1st amendment of the US constitution ??? Thats what were about! Lead by example but don't force people to do what you feel is right when it doesn't hurt anyone. None of this matters. The only players who will be on stage and stuff at big MLG tournaments will be the top players. Top level RTS players do not behave like "top" Halo players and all those kids. Its simply a completely different level of competition. Sure those players will exist, but the more mature, skilled, mentally advanced players will surpass them. I think the reason that the top level RTS players also just to happen to not be huge flamers is because they are mature people who can take responsibility for their own losses and can approach the game level minded and make advancements that way. The upper level of players in the American Halo and COD or whatever scene...They aren't the same kind of gamer that will be on the top of SC2. They are way below that. They don't have nearly the same level of mental strength and fortitude that top RTS players do. That's why they are immature, and that is why they are worse. The point is that the two tend to go hand in hand. Everyone flames and BMs SOMETIMES, it is a simple matter of frequency. And the top RTS players BM much, much, much less. Its all connected. Consistently bad manner and immaturity go hand in hand with being bad. | ||
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