EPTUnless I'm retarded I do know of many top US players who behave like Idra. Most of them are very well mannered and can provide a good match without telling the other player to go fuck himself.
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
Unless I'm retarded I do know of many top US players who behave like Idra. Most of them are very well mannered and can provide a good match without telling the other player to go fuck himself. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
To add, the current RTS community is not bad by any means. The European and American WC3/SC1 communities are really not that bad at all. Perhaps when you compare them to people who aren't ALLOWED to be even remotely rude, sure. But considering the fact that people don't have a reason to be nice, yet act the way they currently do, I'd say we're good. There will of course be bad mannered scum of the earth players. But they won't be top players. They never have been and they never will be. | ||
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NeVeR
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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iammaru
Canada38 Posts
On April 25 2010 08:46 Froadac wrote: It depends on how the sponsors set it up. Hockey and WWE are set up in ways that encourage this sort of 'BM'. (Strange to use it out of context) If let's say, AMD sponsors it, and makes it seem very professional, it would be different from if a different corporation sponsors it and portrays it in a different light. Hockey as in the NHL? Because, just, no. That's not even a little true. Professional hockey players are the classiest athletes in the world, bar none. What could possibly make you think that? I think it's unfortunate, but BM players like Idra will only help the game get popular in the West. I don't know if full-on WWF style grudge matches and trash talk are the way to go, but you 'mericans sure do like your drama. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
Also I think you guys are worrying for nothing. Most of our top US players are not like the top CS, Halo and WoW teams. Sure we have Idra and we'll probably have more but they are not many. Looking at the tournament in the SC2 tourney forums with the US players in it they there hasn't been many cases where players get into huge trash talks and ruins the fun. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On April 25 2010 07:52 shindigs wrote: Also, consider that American audiences are different from our fellow Koreans in terms of cultural behaviors as well. The general American audiences want big personalities and big talk with flashy stages and pre-game trash talk. wrong. i do not want this crap. i don't watch WWE, and i wouldn't watch pro sc2 if they acted like morons either. | ||
Falling
Canada11496 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:25 Reborn8u wrote: OMG what are you people on??!? Trash Talk exists in EVERY professional sport. You've never heard of the 1st baseman taunting the runner on his base? Or a basketball player saying "Nice Shot" when the other team misses. And I suppose would be the point of contention- what do we mean by trash talking? Your basketball example, I would be perfectly fine with if translated to SC2. If it's the FPS trash talk diarrhea of "fag, nigger, jew, etc" Then I would have nothing to do with it (imagine if your professional sportsmen doing that to each other.) But as most of that diarrhea is limited to the lower levels of play, I guess there would be less to worry about. | ||
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Tomnki
United States62 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:29 danl9rm wrote: wrong. i do not want this crap. i don't watch WWE, and i wouldn't watch pro sc2 if they acted like morons either. Oh so you are speaking on behalf of the American audience? Sorry but you are in the minority. Look how popular WWE and MMA are or shows like the Jersey Shore. People love that stuff and to try and say that his statement is wrong is just ignorant. | ||
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segfix
United States32 Posts
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:25 Reborn8u wrote: OMG what are you people on??!? Trash Talk exists in EVERY professional sport. You've never heard of the 1st baseman taunting the runner on his base? Or a basketball player saying "Nice Shot" when the other team misses. Or Walshy from halo quoting T2 "I'm the best player in the world" as he kills him and teabags him with a needler. Getting in your opponents head adds more to any competition and rivalries grow because of it. If you don't want to be offended go hide under a rock! I love how people get on Idra for his bm, yet in all his interviews he seems very sarcastic and smiles and laughs a lot, but people take it soooo serious. I hope the trash talk is blatant and harsh. I can't wait to hear some rude New Yorker tell some Korean who his daddy is and where his mom was last night! We're not koreans so why should we try to act like them, you ever noticed how boring most korean interviews are because they're all scared to offend anyone. Haha do you really think that unless we have our own pro teams that we will not stand a chance against the koreans in high levels of play? We will not get pro teams unless we look very respectable and are a sound investment for a company. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:29 danl9rm wrote: wrong. i do not want this crap. i don't watch WWE, and i wouldn't watch pro sc2 if they acted like morons either. Top US SC2 players don't act like morons. You make it sound as if we do not have top US players already. Check out the tournament forums. ITL, CraftCup, Triple Strike, GosuCoaching Weekly and etc where the top US players compete. Essentially they are the ones who are going to be competing at major tournaments in the US if we eventually get those. Idra doesn't count for all of them. On April 25 2010 09:33 Falling wrote: And I suppose would be the point of contention- what do we mean by trash talking? Your basketball example, I would be perfectly fine with if translated to SC2. If it's the FPS trash talk diarrhea of "fag, nigger, jew, etc" Then I would have nothing to do with it (imagine if your professional sportsmen doing that to each other.) But as most of that diarrhea is limited to the lower levels of play, I guess there would be less to worry about. Trash talking in the US is done for the sole purpose of intimidating your opponents and making yourself look good and can be done in a humorous way as well which is what the crowd loves. Sure trash talking can form of insult but its not meant like that and players usually end up shaking hands and drinking beer together after that since its all done for the fun of the game. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:43 segfix wrote: Christ you people are sheltered. I get annoyed by BM too from time to time, but you guys are acting as if trash talk is the end of the world. Rudeness happens, deal with it. Again, at least I am very aware that trash talk is inevitable. The issue is whether or not trash talk will be exemplified as part of the professional competition and encouraged pregame. | ||
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OHtRUe
United States283 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:04 NeVeR wrote: Yeah, FPS players are generally low-life trash. =/ There should be regulations prohibiting BM in public tournaments. If we want SC2 to be a professional sport in the west, then we should hope that it will be run professionally. lolololololol. Im sorry, but starcraft is the only esport game in the world where people are this mannered. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:45 GenoZStriker wrote: Trash talking in the US is done for the sole purpose of intimidating your opponents and making yourself look good and can be done in a humorous way as well which is what the crowd loves. Sure trash talking can form of insult but its not meant like that and players usually end up shaking hands and drinking beer together after that since its all done for the fun of the game. Yeah. I don't know about you, but intimidating opponents in not my definition of 'fun of the game'. I don't get terribly thrown off by it and I certainly won't throw any tantrums about BM players, but seriously. Trash talk is only 'fun of the game' for the player doing it. The player on the receiving end is going to be annoyed at best if he isn't into that sort of stuff. Rivalries and drama are not why I play videogames and I can't imagine that's the case for most of the pro players either. That aside, it's childish as hell. Intimidate me with your play if you so desire, not with 'your mom' jokes or smack talk. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:49 OHtRUe wrote: lolololololol. Im sorry, but starcraft is the only esport game in the world where people are this mannered. Can you explain the relevance in what you just said? All that you have established is that the Starcraft community has much better manners than other communities. Is the implication that as a result of this, we should be less mannered? Judging by your comment, and your choosing to begin your post with "lolololololol", you just proved our point. The way things are now is great. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
Crabman123 April 25 2010 09:44. Posts 35 PM Profile Quote On April 25 2010 09:25 Reborn8u wrote: OMG what are you people on??!? Trash Talk exists in EVERY professional sport. You've never heard of the 1st baseman taunting the runner on his base? Or a basketball player saying "Nice Shot" when the other team misses. Or Walshy from halo quoting T2 "I'm the best player in the world" as he kills him and teabags him with a needler. Getting in your opponents head adds more to any competition and rivalries grow because of it. If you don't want to be offended go hide under a rock! I love how people get on Idra for his bm, yet in all his interviews he seems very sarcastic and smiles and laughs a lot, but people take it soooo serious. I hope the trash talk is blatant and harsh. I can't wait to hear some rude New Yorker tell some Korean who his daddy is and where his mom was last night! We're not koreans so why should we try to act like them, you ever noticed how boring most korean interviews are because they're all scared to offend anyone. Haha do you really think that unless we have our own pro teams that we will not stand a chance against the koreans in high levels of play? We will not get pro teams unless we look very respectable and are a sound investment for a company. I'm not sure what your trying to say because your 1st sentence is just confusing, Look at mlgpro, there is tons of trash talk in mlg, and they have 100,000$ tournaments, have had them broadcast on TV , gave a million dollar 3 year contract to 1 of teams a few years ago, and have sponsors like red bull and dr pepper. We do need pro teams to compete, but people thinking that we are supposed to follow in the footsteps of the Korean system is silly imo and kind of unAmerican. The live audiences are probably the ones you have to worry about! chanting USA USA USA lol but seriously it not like were gonna have it where the players can hear the commentators and only the Chinese players can understand them, now that would be BM! | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On April 25 2010 09:55 Reborn8u wrote: I'm not sure what your trying to say because your 1st sentence is just confusing, Look at mlgpro, there is tons of trash talk in mlg, and they have 100,000$ tournaments, have had them broadcast on TV , gave a million dollar 3 year contract to 1 of teams a few years ago, and have sponsors like red bull and dr pepper. We do need pro teams to compete, but people thinking that we are supposed to follow in the footsteps of the Korean system is silly imo and kind of unAmerican. So, following in the footsteps of a solid e-sports model with well mannered and respectable players is unAmerican? MLG's system is a joke compared to the OSL and MSL, I say we take after the more successful of the two gaming organizations.. | ||
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