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On May 30 2011 09:35 Top3Control wrote:
Offensive content on MY INTERNET? Get the fuck out. People need to grow up and get over this kind of nonsense. Words is just words.

On May 30 2011 09:26 PanzerKing wrote:
On the subject of race - I know a lawyer, a black lawyer, who went into criminal court one time in casual clothing, only to be told by a court officer "have a seat, your attorney will be with you in a moment." This guy has been a respected prosecutor for thirty years, in and out of that same court for most of his career and a court officer takes one look at his denim slacks and sneakers and automatically makes him for a criminal because of his skin color. He doesn't think "he's probably a paralegal", he thinks "he's a defendant."

On May 30 2011 09:26 PanzerKing wrote:
Destiny absolutely humiliated himself today, in my opinion. I was absolutely appalled by so much of what he said that I have to vent that frustration publicly.

I've interviewed rape victims immediately after they've been assaulted. When you've seen that kind of pain, and you realize that it's going to emotionally impact them for the rest of their life, you can't listen to the kind of ridiculous, fatuous statements he was making today without getting incensed. "A lot of women who've been raped are able to make jokes about it?" Really? Are you fucking kidding me? Who are these women, because I've never met them. The ones I've met (at least, the ones that are old enough to be considered 'women' and not 'girls') aren't joking about it. They're grappling with the enormity of an experience that quite often precludes them from ever pursuing another successful relationship.

And you know what? Rape is a reality that all women deal with. It's a reality that can strike any of them at any time, whether they're a single mother or a teenage girl or a college student. So, no, it's not just something that affects only a tiny portion of women - it's a reality that's in the back of a woman's mind when she's walking down an empty street alone, or when she's being stared at on the subway by a creepy guy, late at night.

On the subject of race - I know a lawyer, a black lawyer, who went into criminal court one time in casual clothing, only to be told by a court officer "have a seat, your attorney will be with you in a moment." This guy has been a respected prosecutor for thirty years, in and out of that same court for most of his career and a court officer takes one look at his denim slacks and sneakers and automatically makes him for a criminal because of his skin color. He doesn't think "he's probably a paralegal", he thinks "he's a defendant."

I know another lawyer, a white lawyer, whom I was sitting next to in an upstate courtroom. He pointed at a paralegal who had walked into the courtroom and said, under his breath, "that's something you don't see often." I didn't know what he meant. He clarified "One of 'those people' wearing a suit."

THAT is the kind of racism that still exists today, Destiny. It's not the Jim Crow, lynch mob, cross-burning racism of the 1950's - it's the unconscious prejudice, it's institutional racism like higher interest rates on home loans for blacks, it's the long glances you get from a clerk when you're alone in the back of a convenience store late at night, it's the nervous looks people give you when you sit next to them at 2:00 am on the subway, it's the subtle and unthinking insinuation that you've only gotten where you have in life because of a white man's pity.

THAT is part of why people are hurt by the N-word. Do you know the other part? It's the idea that, no matter how far we've come from that time, no matter how far we've removed ourselves from that part of history, it's the idea that a single word like that can be used to define a person of color. It's the idea that it doesn't matter who or what you are - you can be called a 'nigger', and that word sums you up, defines the entirety of your existence, strips you of your individuality and makes you just a faceless member of an underclass. And that idea, whether you want to recognize it's existence or not, has NOT gone away in the last fifty years, and it might never go away - it's something everyone keeps in the back of their head because it's the kind of realization that can't be unthought.

But to be on-topic - if people are serious about making e-sports a successful venue, they need to step outside of themselves and realize that their audience is not just young heterosexual white males. Some people don't fall into that category, and some of those people take their racial, ethnic or religious background, or their sexual orientation, or their prior life experiences quite seriously. The inability to demonstrate even a modicum of respect for those people's feelings strikes me as so incredibly callous and arrogant that, quite frankly, I was appalled during today's show. Your hypothetical desire to 'freely express' yourself with vulgar and hurtful language matters more than respecting your audience and exercising a basic level of decency for their feelings? How much more self-important can a person be?

That said, I strongly respect Incontrol for admitting that he isn't perfect. Nobody is. The point is that you should try to accept your role as a representative of something larger than yourself, and you should try to comport yourself in a manner that respects other people's perspectives even if you can't bring yourself to respect them in reality. Even if someone doesn't always succeed, it matters most of all that they tried - that they placed the well-being of their organizational affiliations (i.e. e-sports or a team affiliation) and the emotional well-being of other people who are receiving said message, over their own base wants. If you can do that, then you'd start to build some credibility in my eyes, but today I saw a confident, responsible adult in Incontrol, and a petulant, crude boy in Destiny.

On May 30 2011 10:07 Doodsmack wrote:
I love how Destiny brought a black guy who agreed with him on his stream today in an attempt to validate his argument. Sorry, Destiny, but his word doesn't mean that no black person should be offended.

In my mind, it's just plain silly to defend your use of the N word on a stream in front of thousands of people. Just admit your mistake, apologize, and move on.

White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

Daily effects of white privilege
Elusive and fugitive
Earned strength, unearned power

"I was taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness, not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group"

Peggy McIntosh

Through work to bring materials from women's studies into the rest of the curriculum, I have often noticed men's unwillingness to grant that they are overprivileged, even though they may grant that women are disadvantaged. They may say they will work to women's statues, in the society, the university, or the curriculum, but they can't or won't support the idea of lessening men's. Denials that amount to taboos surround the subject of advantages that men gain from women's disadvantages. These denials protect male privilege from being fully acknowledged, lessened, or ended.

Thinking through unacknowledged male privilege as a phenomenon, I realized that, since hierarchies in our society are interlocking, there was most likely a phenomenon of while privilege that was similarly denied and protected. As a white person, I realized I had been taught about racism as something that puts others at a disadvantage, but had been taught not to see one of its corollary aspects, white privilege, which puts me at an advantage.

I think whites are carefully taught not to recognize white privilege, as males are taught not to recognize male privilege. So I have begun in an untutored way to ask what it is like to have white privilege. I have come to see white privilege as an invisible package of unearned assets that I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was "meant" to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, codebooks, visas, clothes, tools , and blank checks.

Describing white privilege makes one newly accountable. As we in women's studies work to reveal male privilege and ask men to give up some of their power, so one who writes about having white privilege must ask, "having described it, what will I do to lessen or end it?"

After I realized the extent to which men work from a base of unacknowledged privilege, I understood that much of their oppressiveness was unconscious. Then I remembered the frequent charges from women of color that white women whom they encounter are oppressive. I began to understand why we are just seen as oppressive, even when we don't see ourselves that way. I began to count the ways in which I enjoy unearned skin privilege and have been conditioned into oblivion about its existence.

My schooling gave me no training in seeing myself as an oppressor, as an unfairly advantaged person, or as a participant in a damaged culture. I was taught to see myself as an individual whose moral state depended on her individual moral will. My schooling followed the pattern my colleague Elizabeth Minnich has pointed out: whites are taught to think of their lives as morally neutral, normative, and average, and also ideal, so that when we work to benefit others, this is seen as work that will allow "them" to be more like "us."

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Daily effects of white privilege

I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

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Elusive and fugitive

I repeatedly forgot each of the realizations on this list until I wrote it down. For me white privilege has turned out to be an elusive and fugitive subject. The pressure to avoid it is great, for in facing it I must give up the myth of meritocracy. If these things are true, this is not such a free country; one's life is not what one makes it; many doors open for certain people through no virtues of their own.

In unpacking this invisible knapsack of white privilege, I have listed conditions of daily experience that I once took for granted. Nor did I think of any of these perquisites as bad for the holder. I now think that we need a more finely differentiated taxonomy of privilege, for some of these varieties are only what one would want for everyone in a just society, and others give license to be ignorant, oblivious, arrogant, and destructive.

I see a pattern running through the matrix of white privilege, a patter of assumptions that were passed on to me as a white person. There was one main piece of cultural turf; it was my own turn, and I was among those who could control the turf. My skin color was an asset for any move I was educated to want to make. I could think of myself as belonging in major ways and of making social systems work for me. I could freely disparage, fear, neglect, or be oblivious to anything outside of the dominant cultural forms. Being of the main culture, I could also criticize it fairly freely.

In proportion as my racial group was being made confident, comfortable, and oblivious, other groups were likely being made unconfident, uncomfortable, and alienated. Whiteness protected me from many kinds of hostility, distress, and violence, which I was being subtly trained to visit, in turn, upon people of color.

For this reason, the word "privilege" now seems to me misleading. We usually think of privilege as being a favored state, whether earned or conferred by birth or luck. Yet some of the conditions I have described here work systematically to over empower certain groups. Such privilege simply confers dominance because of one's race or sex.

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Earned strength, unearned power

I want, then, to distinguish between earned strength and unearned power conferred privilege can look like strength when it is in fact permission to escape or to dominate. But not all of the privileges on my list are inevitably damaging. Some, like the expectation that neighbors will be decent to you, or that your race will not count against you in court, should be the norm in a just society. Others, like the privilege to ignore less powerful people, distort the humanity of the holders as well as the ignored groups.

We might at least start by distinguishing between positive advantages, which we can work to spread, and negative types of advantage, which unless rejected will always reinforce our present hierarchies. For example, the feeling that one belongs within the human circle, as Native Americans say, should not be seen as privilege for a few. Ideally it is an unearned entitlement. At present, since only a few have it, it is an unearned advantage for them. This paper results from a process of coming to see that some of the power that I originally say as attendant on being a human being in the United States consisted in unearned advantage and conferred dominance.

I have met very few men who truly distressed about systemic, unearned male advantage and conferred dominance. And so one question for me and others like me is whether we will be like them, or whether we will get truly distressed, even outraged, about unearned race advantage and conferred dominance, and, if so, what we will do to lessen them. In any case, we need to do more work in identifying how they actually affect our daily lives. Many, perhaps most, of our white students in the United States think that racism doesn't affect them because they are not people of color; they do not see "whiteness" as a racial identity. In addition, since race and sex are not the only advantaging systems at work, we need similarly to examine the daily experience of having age advantage, or ethnic advantage, or physical ability, or advantage related to nationality, religion, or sexual orientation.

Difficulties and angers surrounding the task of finding parallels are many. Since racism, sexism, and heterosexism are not the same, the advantages associated with them should not be seen as the same. In addition, it is hard to disentangle aspects of unearned advantage that rest more on social class, economic class, race, religion, sex, and ethnic identity that on other factors. Still, all of the oppressions are interlocking, as the members of the Combahee River Collective pointed out in their "Black Feminist Statement" of 1977.

One factor seems clear about all of the interlocking oppressions. They take both active forms, which we can see, and embedded forms, which as a member of the dominant groups one is taught not to see. In my class and place, I did not see myself as a racist because I was taught to recognize racism only in individual acts of meanness by members of my group, never in invisible systems conferring unsought racial dominance on my group from birth.

Disapproving of the system won't be enough to change them. I was taught to think that racism could end if white individuals changed their attitude. But a "white" skin in the United States opens many doors for whites whether or not we approve of the way dominance has been conferred on us. Individual acts can palliate but cannot end, these problems.

To redesign social systems we need first to acknowledge their colossal unseen dimensions. The silences and denials surrounding privilege are the key political surrounding privilege are the key political tool here. They keep the thinking about equality or equity incomplete, protecting unearned advantage and conferred dominance by making these subject taboo. Most talk by whites about equal opportunity seems to me now to be about equal opportunity to try to get into a position of dominance while denying that systems of dominance exist.

It seems to me that obliviousness about white advantage, like obliviousness about male advantage, is kept strongly inculturated in the United States so as to maintain the myth of meritocracy, the myth that democratic choice is equally available to all. Keeping most people unaware that freedom of confident action is there for just a small number of people props up those in power and serves to keep power in the hands of the same groups that have most of it already.

Although systemic change takes many decades, there are pressing questions for me and, I imagine, for some others like me if we raise our daily consciousness on the perquisites of being light-skinned. What will we do with such knowledge? As we know from watching men, it is an open question whether we will choose to use unearned advantage, and whether we will use any of our arbitrarily awarded power to try to reconstruct power systems on a broader base.

Peggy McIntosh is associate director of the Wellesley Collage Center for Research on Women. This essay is excerpted from Working Paper 189. "White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women's Studies" (1988), by Peggy McIntosh; available for $10.00 from the Wellesley College Center for Research on Women, Wellesley MA 02181 The working paper contains a longer list of privileges.

On May 30 2011 11:34 tgun wrote:


He didn't bring debo on to agree with him: Debo has been a regular on his stream for months before this argument, and Debo asked him about the issue. Please don't post misguided opinions.

On May 30 2011 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:



I don't see how the facts that Debo is a regular on his stream and that Debo asked him about the issue necessarily mean that Destiny didn't bring him on to have a black person in agreement with him.

On May 30 2011 12:14 potsndots152 wrote:
I don't understand why it's not okay for someone to say a word like rape in a completely different context, but it is okay for Incontrol to impersonate other races in a demeaning way. I don't want to argue, i just want someone to explain the difference?

Erm, if you're talking about inControls argument, he said that neither are okay... He stated that it was wrong for him to do that.