EPTlol your kidding right? 500 damage and a stun. how much stronger does it need to be?
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afg-warrior
Afghanistan328 Posts
lol your kidding right? 500 damage and a stun. how much stronger does it need to be? | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 08 2010 09 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:56 afg-warrior wrote: lol your kidding right? 500 damage and a stun. how much stronger does it need to be? did you just read the tooltip or did you actually try it?.. | ||
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hzhao
China75 Posts
On April 08 2010 09:58 arnold(soTa) wrote: did you just read the tooltip or did you actually try it?.. it kills every immortal I saw. yes, I tried it, it is in fact 25 hits in 6 secs, and each 20 damage. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
lmao....... | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On April 08 2010 08:15 btlyger wrote: Zerg player, was 11-1 before patch. Now im 12-9. enough said. Then they need to nerf Zerg more until you get to 10-10 or 11-11 | ||
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
On April 08 2010 10:08 w_Ender_w wrote: I think the thing people are missing about Hydras is their speed off creep. They assume they can be used like SCBW Hydras, when in reality they are so damnably slow that it is sometimes difficult to justify their cost. This is also why I don't like the whole creep boosts speed idea. On the other hand it may be simply used with the idea that Z will be slower when it comes to giving early pressure and easy containments. On the other hand, rine/marauder/reaper move very swiftly. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
S'ok, I should have learned to avoid sarcasm in these forums by now  | ||
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CandleJack
United States104 Posts
On April 08 2010 10:08 w_Ender_w wrote: I think the thing people are missing about Hydras is their speed off creep. They assume they can be used like SCBW Hydras, when in reality they are so damnably slow that it is sometimes difficult to justify their cost. Or you could use creep tumors and spread the creep all over the map for some hardcore map control. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 08 2010 10:43 CandleJack wrote: Or you could use creep tumors and spread the creep all over the map for some hardcore map control. and u could kill creep tumors with 1 banshee. terrans are much stronger then they look because very few use them to their maximum potential. Lucifron comes closest and if he had macro to match hed be the bonjwaest bonjwa by far. | ||
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afg-warrior
Afghanistan328 Posts
On April 08 2010 10:01 da_head wrote: did i read that right? a STUN? lmao....... grammar nazi  | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
What is best for zerg vs thors now? | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
Most players are still going hydra/roach and wondering why they are losing though, with no sense of macro. Can a good Zerg player tell me how he views ZvT and ZvP has changed from this patch? Like I'm totally confused as to what is actually happening with these changes. As a Terran player I AM using mech more TvP. Whether it is better than getting Marauders or not, I'm not sure. But I'm pumping 5 Thors a minute and 15 seconds faster than normally... so I'm able to push out and compete against the Protoss with my army way faster than previously. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On April 08 2010 11:02 Pekkz wrote: Anyone played Zerg vs Thor / hellion after patch? Just got completely crushed by this combo now, and i had 3 bases vs 2, and one of mine was yellow. I massed roach hydra and sent in lings when most hellions where gone, but his 180 supply thor hellion just rolled over my 200/200. What is best for zerg vs thors now? I went Thor/Hellion and lost to mass neural parasites. I even had 4 bases as opposed to his 2 at one point. It was pretty sick. Should have added Valks. | ||
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Wintermute
United States427 Posts
On April 08 2010 11:03 SCC-Faust wrote: I understand the updates and I understand how TvZ is affected. Most players are still going hydra/roach and wondering why they are losing though, with no sense of macro. Can a good Zerg player tell me how he views ZvT and ZvP has changed from this patch? Like I'm totally confused as to what is actually happening with these changes. As a Terran player I AM using mech more TvP. Whether it is better than getting Marauders or not, I'm not sure. But I'm pumping 5 Thors a minute and 15 seconds faster than normally... so I'm able to push out and compete against the Protoss with my army way faster than previously. I am only a gold player so I probably don't qualify as "good" but so far I've been stomping all over any zerg who try to mass roaches. Zealots are close enough in effectiveness to deal with roaches now, and once you add some stalkers and sentries it's a slaughter. Don't really even need immortals except to bust through a choke point. Roaches will still beat zealots badly any place where they can't get a lot of surface area (like ramps and chokes). Then again, ramps and chokes give you a lot of opportunities to abuse forcefield without needing a lot of sentries. I only played one ZvT game, but I was able to take down mass roaches with massed marines (with stim and combat shield), more or less equal supply on both sides. I had maybe one marauder per ~6-7 marines, as I was building from a single tech lab and 4 naked barracks. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
um no i wasn't correcting his grammer. i was indirectly saying: a stun? wtf is this warcraft in space? lmao.. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On April 08 2010 09:04 T33K3SS3LCH3N wrote: You do realise that 2x45 makes 90 and killed a hydralisk in one burst before as well? Only thing changed is that terran doesn't need to make weapon upgrade for it against zergs trying to upgrade carapace. 45 + 45 = 90, yes, but the hydras regen 1 hp instantly when the first shot hits. So 0 weapon upgrade thors vs 0 carapace upgrade hydras left the hydras at 1 hp before this patch. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On April 08 2010 10:03 StarcraftMan wrote: Then they need to nerf Zerg more until you get to 10-10 or 11-11 They need to nerf zerg so that this poor guy LOSES wins? lol. I also was a zerg player, with a pretty good rec around 25-10 and top 5 in my Platinum division.. then the marauder 3rax timing pushes started happening, went totally downhill from there. I gave up and switched to toss, which is hard learning a whole new race when I didnt even play more than 15 games before this current reset, so im losing to newbs, but least I feel like I have a slight chance vs T now. I feel so bad for zergs now, hydras and roaches nerfed, while thors buffed (wow) and Marauders hardly nerfed. Think of it this way; This marauder upgrade basically just means 1 less marauder in their army before their push. They really needed to nerf the STATS of the marauder, they will still dominate everything once that upgrade is done. I hate to agree with Idra for once, but watching Lzgamer vs Idra replay, where Idra had the whole map and twice the army Lz had, but Lz had marauders.. I would say it was like 40 marauders/medivac taking out 80 hydra/roach. Its just wrong. | ||
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Hansel
Germany311 Posts
On April 08 2010 11:04 SCC-Faust wrote: I went Thor/Hellion and lost to mass neural parasites. I even had 4 bases as opposed to his 2 at one point. It was pretty sick. Should have added Valks. Did this vs a terran some minutes ago, he got ghosts emping and sniping my infestors after i controlled his first 3 thors. I scouted his base with overlord and thought oh nice more thors for my mindcontroll but got my ass handed to me on a silver plate. | ||
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