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afg-warrior
Profile Joined June 2007
Afghanistan328 Posts
April 08 2010 00:56 GMT
#761
On April 08 2010 09:39 arnold(soTa) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 roemy wrote:
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p


the strikecannon is useless, sry


lol your kidding right? 500 damage and a stun. how much stronger does it need to be?
"Yeah fuck multiplayer I'm only in this for the xel'naga" snowdrift86
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 08 2010 00:58 GMT
#762
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:56 afg-warrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09:39 arnold(soTa) wrote:
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 roemy wrote:
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p


the strikecannon is useless, sry


lol your kidding right? 500 damage and a stun. how much stronger does it need to be?


did you just read the tooltip or did you actually try it?..
"I like turtles"
hzhao
Profile Joined June 2007
China75 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 01:01:17
April 08 2010 01:00 GMT
#763
On April 08 2010 09:58 arnold(soTa) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:56 afg-warrior wrote:
On April 08 2010 09:39 arnold(soTa) wrote:
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 roemy wrote:
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p


the strikecannon is useless, sry


lol your kidding right? 500 damage and a stun. how much stronger does it need to be?


did you just read the tooltip or did you actually try it?..


it kills every immortal I saw. yes, I tried it, it is in fact 25 hits in 6 secs, and each 20 damage.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 08 2010 01:01 GMT
#764
did i read that right? a STUN?

lmao.......
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
April 08 2010 01:03 GMT
#765
On April 08 2010 08:15 btlyger wrote:
Zerg player, was 11-1 before patch. Now im 12-9. enough said.


Then they need to nerf Zerg more until you get to 10-10 or 11-11
MLG_Wiggin
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States767 Posts
April 08 2010 01:08 GMT
#766
I think the thing people are missing about Hydras is their speed off creep. They assume they can be used like SCBW Hydras, when in reality they are so damnably slow that it is sometimes difficult to justify their cost.
@DBWiggin, SC2 ref
Koffiegast
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands346 Posts
April 08 2010 01:10 GMT
#767
On April 08 2010 10:08 w_Ender_w wrote:
I think the thing people are missing about Hydras is their speed off creep. They assume they can be used like SCBW Hydras, when in reality they are so damnably slow that it is sometimes difficult to justify their cost.


This is also why I don't like the whole creep boosts speed idea.
On the other hand it may be simply used with the idea that Z will be slower when it comes to giving early pressure and easy containments. On the other hand, rine/marauder/reaper move very swiftly.
Wut
cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
April 08 2010 01:32 GMT
#768
I totally called the concussive shells change
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 08 2010 01:41 GMT
#769
On April 08 2010 08:56 ploy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 08:53 nodule wrote:
I was being sarcastic, making exactly the point you were


My mistake


S'ok, I should have learned to avoid sarcasm in these forums by now
CandleJack
Profile Joined March 2010
United States104 Posts
April 08 2010 01:43 GMT
#770
On April 08 2010 10:08 w_Ender_w wrote:
I think the thing people are missing about Hydras is their speed off creep. They assume they can be used like SCBW Hydras, when in reality they are so damnably slow that it is sometimes difficult to justify their cost.


Or you could use creep tumors and spread the creep all over the map for some hardcore map control.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
April 08 2010 01:46 GMT
#771
On April 08 2010 10:43 CandleJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 10:08 w_Ender_w wrote:
I think the thing people are missing about Hydras is their speed off creep. They assume they can be used like SCBW Hydras, when in reality they are so damnably slow that it is sometimes difficult to justify their cost.


Or you could use creep tumors and spread the creep all over the map for some hardcore map control.

and u could kill creep tumors with 1 banshee. terrans are much stronger then they look because very few use them to their maximum potential. Lucifron comes closest and if he had macro to match hed be the bonjwaest bonjwa by far.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
afg-warrior
Profile Joined June 2007
Afghanistan328 Posts
April 08 2010 01:51 GMT
#772
On April 08 2010 10:01 da_head wrote:
did i read that right? a STUN?

lmao.......


grammar nazi
"Yeah fuck multiplayer I'm only in this for the xel'naga" snowdrift86
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
April 08 2010 02:02 GMT
#773
Anyone played Zerg vs Thor / hellion after patch? Just got completely crushed by this combo now, and i had 3 bases vs 2, and one of mine was yellow. I massed roach hydra and sent in lings when most hellions where gone, but his 180 supply thor hellion just rolled over my 200/200.

What is best for zerg vs thors now?
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
April 08 2010 02:03 GMT
#774
I understand the updates and I understand how TvZ is affected.

Most players are still going hydra/roach and wondering why they are losing though, with no sense of macro. Can a good Zerg player tell me how he views ZvT and ZvP has changed from this patch? Like I'm totally confused as to what is actually happening with these changes.

As a Terran player I AM using mech more TvP. Whether it is better than getting Marauders or not, I'm not sure. But I'm pumping 5 Thors a minute and 15 seconds faster than normally... so I'm able to push out and compete against the Protoss with my army way faster than previously.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
April 08 2010 02:04 GMT
#775
On April 08 2010 11:02 Pekkz wrote:
Anyone played Zerg vs Thor / hellion after patch? Just got completely crushed by this combo now, and i had 3 bases vs 2, and one of mine was yellow. I massed roach hydra and sent in lings when most hellions where gone, but his 180 supply thor hellion just rolled over my 200/200.

What is best for zerg vs thors now?


I went Thor/Hellion and lost to mass neural parasites.

I even had 4 bases as opposed to his 2 at one point. It was pretty sick. Should have added Valks.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Wintermute
Profile Joined March 2010
United States427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 02:22:36
April 08 2010 02:20 GMT
#776
On April 08 2010 11:03 SCC-Faust wrote:
I understand the updates and I understand how TvZ is affected.

Most players are still going hydra/roach and wondering why they are losing though, with no sense of macro. Can a good Zerg player tell me how he views ZvT and ZvP has changed from this patch? Like I'm totally confused as to what is actually happening with these changes.

As a Terran player I AM using mech more TvP. Whether it is better than getting Marauders or not, I'm not sure. But I'm pumping 5 Thors a minute and 15 seconds faster than normally... so I'm able to push out and compete against the Protoss with my army way faster than previously.


I am only a gold player so I probably don't qualify as "good" but so far I've been stomping all over any zerg who try to mass roaches. Zealots are close enough in effectiveness to deal with roaches now, and once you add some stalkers and sentries it's a slaughter. Don't really even need immortals except to bust through a choke point. Roaches will still beat zealots badly any place where they can't get a lot of surface area (like ramps and chokes). Then again, ramps and chokes give you a lot of opportunities to abuse forcefield without needing a lot of sentries.

I only played one ZvT game, but I was able to take down mass roaches with massed marines (with stim and combat shield), more or less equal supply on both sides. I had maybe one marauder per ~6-7 marines, as I was building from a single tech lab and 4 naked barracks.
Don't let me say this, but you're no worse than me; it's crazy.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 08 2010 02:24 GMT
#777
On April 08 2010 10:51 afg-warrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 10:01 da_head wrote:
did i read that right? a STUN?

lmao.......


grammar nazi


um no i wasn't correcting his grammer. i was indirectly saying: a stun? wtf is this warcraft in space? lmao..
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
April 08 2010 02:29 GMT
#778
On April 08 2010 09:04 T33K3SS3LCH3N wrote:
You do realise that 2x45 makes 90 and killed a hydralisk in one burst before as well? Only thing changed is that terran doesn't need to make weapon upgrade for it against zergs trying to upgrade carapace.

45 + 45 = 90, yes, but the hydras regen 1 hp instantly when the first shot hits. So 0 weapon upgrade thors vs 0 carapace upgrade hydras left the hydras at 1 hp before this patch.
We did. You did. Yes we can. No. || http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/crate.html || twitch.tv/crate3333
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
April 08 2010 02:29 GMT
#779
On April 08 2010 10:03 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 08:15 btlyger wrote:
Zerg player, was 11-1 before patch. Now im 12-9. enough said.


Then they need to nerf Zerg more until you get to 10-10 or 11-11


They need to nerf zerg so that this poor guy LOSES wins? lol.

I also was a zerg player, with a pretty good rec around 25-10 and top 5 in my Platinum division.. then the marauder 3rax timing pushes started happening, went totally downhill from there. I gave up and switched to toss, which is hard learning a whole new race when I didnt even play more than 15 games before this current reset, so im losing to newbs, but least I feel like I have a slight chance vs T now.

I feel so bad for zergs now, hydras and roaches nerfed, while thors buffed (wow) and Marauders hardly nerfed. Think of it this way; This marauder upgrade basically just means 1 less marauder in their army before their push. They really needed to nerf the STATS of the marauder, they will still dominate everything once that upgrade is done.

I hate to agree with Idra for once, but watching Lzgamer vs Idra replay, where Idra had the whole map and twice the army Lz had, but Lz had marauders.. I would say it was like 40 marauders/medivac taking out 80 hydra/roach. Its just wrong.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Hansel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany311 Posts
April 08 2010 02:31 GMT
#780
On April 08 2010 11:04 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 11:02 Pekkz wrote:
Anyone played Zerg vs Thor / hellion after patch? Just got completely crushed by this combo now, and i had 3 bases vs 2, and one of mine was yellow. I massed roach hydra and sent in lings when most hellions where gone, but his 180 supply thor hellion just rolled over my 200/200.

What is best for zerg vs thors now?


I went Thor/Hellion and lost to mass neural parasites.

I even had 4 bases as opposed to his 2 at one point. It was pretty sick. Should have added Valks.



Did this vs a terran some minutes ago, he got ghosts emping and sniping my infestors after i controlled his first 3 thors. I scouted his base with overlord and thought oh nice more thors for my mindcontroll but got my ass handed to me on a silver plate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_hDyfmEw4
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