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nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 07 2010 23:48 GMT
#721
useless hydras (for their cost, they are now so shit).


yeah, the mainstay unit of zerg that appeared in pretty much every game is pretty much never going to be used again due to a medium hp reduction.
Brokengamer
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines116 Posts
April 07 2010 23:48 GMT
#722
Nice patch though..

Ultras still hasn't been buffed...
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 07 2010 23:52 GMT
#723
On April 08 2010 08:15 btlyger wrote:
Zerg player, was 11-1 before patch. Now im 12-9. enough said.


So you maintained a 92% winrate consistently before the patch? Do you expect to have learned the intricacies of the new balances changes instantly?
ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
April 07 2010 23:52 GMT
#724
On April 08 2010 08:48 nodule wrote:
Show nested quote +
useless hydras (for their cost, they are now so shit).


yeah, the mainstay unit of zerg that appeared in pretty much every game is pretty much never going to be used again due to a medium hp reduction.


You guys are ridiculous. Hydras still do very good DPS for their cost.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 07 2010 23:53 GMT
#725
I was being sarcastic, making exactly the point you were
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
April 07 2010 23:55 GMT
#726
Considering i've never had burrowed roachs roam into my base, im not that thrilled about that change, but 2 armour to 1 is pretty huge. immortal now 3 shot roaches with +1 right? 54-108-162. Also immortals now 4-shot hydra with +1 compared to 5 previously. +1 immo push will be the std protoss timing attack during this patch i guarantee it.
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ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
April 07 2010 23:56 GMT
#727
On April 08 2010 08:53 nodule wrote:
I was being sarcastic, making exactly the point you were


My mistake
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 23:58:54
April 07 2010 23:57 GMT
#728
On April 08 2010 08:55 Ftrunkz wrote:
Considering i've never had burrowed roachs roam into my base, im not that thrilled about that change, but 2 armour to 1 is pretty huge. immortal now 3 shot roaches with +1 right? 54-108-162. Also immortals now 4-shot hydra with +1 compared to 5 previously. +1 immo push will be the std protoss timing attack during this patch i guarantee it.

immo 3 shot roach w/o upgrades now (pre-patch was 4) (almost no dmg wasted) even with regen
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Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
April 07 2010 23:57 GMT
#729
The void rays kill queens a lot faster now but, and it's a big but when killings queens, if you now manually move the void ray (to move it closer to the queen to stop its escape) it will stop shooting.
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teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 00:02:06
April 07 2010 23:59 GMT
#730
On April 08 2010 08:15 btlyger wrote:
Zerg player, was 11-1 before patch. Now im 12-9. enough said.


Well, i'm just trying to count all those ways one could understand it.

Such as "Hey I'm a medium player but had badass stats becuz of Zerg"
or "Hey I'm so sad, I was badly overrated and now started meeting good opponents"
or "I only met Terrans before Patch and now I'm getting mirrors where I get pwned because I'm actually a worse player"

Well I don't mean to actually insult you but 11-1 to 12-9 stats doesn't say anything.

Right now im kinda enjoying the patch though I hope to figure out one day if a baneling zerg is beatable However, I think that Marauder fix is the one thing every toss hoped for and it seems pretty good for me right now. Guess I'm gonna try some crazy things against Zerg right now as I really could never figure how terran could win with having one base for a long time while zerg goes fast expand to mutas against it. I guess I can start to fix my previous anti-zerg-desperation now with some early thor or tanks stuff.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 07 2010 23:59 GMT
#731
it always stopped shooting if you moved it so its not facing the target. if it faces the target exactly the same does it still stop shooting when moving?
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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
April 07 2010 23:59 GMT
#732
On April 08 2010 08:48 nodule wrote:
Show nested quote +
useless hydras (for their cost, they are now so shit).


yeah, the mainstay unit of zerg that appeared in pretty much every game is pretty much never going to be used again due to a medium hp reduction.


hitting it with a 12% hp nerf along with the reduced thor building time... Yes they are useless, thors 1 shotting my unit that is almost 1/3rd of the cost of a thor is ridiculous. I doubt ZvZ's will even get to the stage of using hydras now that roaches CANNOT ever deal with a decent player going mass ling +1, and they were already JUST good enough in ZvP for their cost, now I would rather use other units.
teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 00:09:53
April 08 2010 00:04 GMT
#733
On April 08 2010 08:59 dethrawr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 08:48 nodule wrote:
useless hydras (for their cost, they are now so shit).


yeah, the mainstay unit of zerg that appeared in pretty much every game is pretty much never going to be used again due to a medium hp reduction.


hitting it with a 12% hp nerf along with the reduced thor building time... Yes they are useless, thors 1 shotting my unit that is almost 1/3rd of the cost of a thor is ridiculous. I doubt ZvZ's will even get to the stage of using hydras now that roaches CANNOT ever deal with a decent player going mass ling +1, and they were already JUST good enough in ZvP for their cost, now I would rather use other units.


You do realise that 2x45 makes 90 and killed a hydralisk in one burst before as well? Only thing changed is that terran doesn't need to make weapon upgrade for it against zergs trying to upgrade carapace.
And you should actually start considering that -1 armor is not as much of a nerf as you possibly think it was. Zealots still won't be a great choice, Marauders and Immortals just need one less hit if you don't have an armor upgrade.

Also, you can't just say "omg 10 hp less??", you should rather go and compare what it actually means. It doesn't necessarily makes it so much worse in every situation. For example, ok it's bad against marauders because they now need one hit less. but against Tanks it won't be much of a difference since tanks only deal 60-75 (depending on upgrades ofc) damage. Also it's few of a change against Thors. And Marines will still suck against roaches. For hellions, neither of those nerfs will make a huge difference as they will still have no whatsoever chance on roaches and still need the same amount of hits against hydras.
Ok now it's not everything about how many hits one unit needs to take another as there will be different units on the field, but really 10 hp can be overrated sometimes.
When they were introduced, he made a witticism, hoping to be liked. She laughed extremely hard, hoping to be liked. Then each drove home alone, staring straight ahead, with the very same twist to their faces.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 08 2010 00:07 GMT
#734
I like how people are crying about the nerfs in the patches (which are pretty minor considering past patches...storm nerf anybody?) and it haven't even been up a day yet.
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
April 08 2010 00:08 GMT
#735
On April 08 2010 09:04 T33K3SS3LCH3N wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 08:59 dethrawr wrote:
On April 08 2010 08:48 nodule wrote:
useless hydras (for their cost, they are now so shit).


yeah, the mainstay unit of zerg that appeared in pretty much every game is pretty much never going to be used again due to a medium hp reduction.


hitting it with a 12% hp nerf along with the reduced thor building time... Yes they are useless, thors 1 shotting my unit that is almost 1/3rd of the cost of a thor is ridiculous. I doubt ZvZ's will even get to the stage of using hydras now that roaches CANNOT ever deal with a decent player going mass ling +1, and they were already JUST good enough in ZvP for their cost, now I would rather use other units.


You do realise that 2x45 makes 90 and killed a hydralisk in one burst before as well? Only thing changed is that terran doesn't need to make weapon upgrade for it against zergs trying to upgrade carapace.
And you should actually start considering that -1 armor is not as much of a nerf as you possibly think it was. Zealots still won't be a great choice, Marauders and Immortals just need one less hit if you don't have an armor upgrade.


You do realize how much faster a thor timing push can be now that terran no longer has to upgrade +1 and a 20% decrease in building time for thors??
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teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 00:11:49
April 08 2010 00:11 GMT
#736
On April 08 2010 09:08 AssuredVacancy wrote:

You do realize how much faster a thor timing push can be now that terran no longer has to upgrade +1 and a 20% decrease in building time for thors??


So you get owned by fast tech thor because there is noooooothing zerg could ever consider to do against it, hu?
Also, if someone goes fast thor his upgrade didn't finish so long after thor pops out and ofc it only matters if zerg teched carapace very early on.
When they were introduced, he made a witticism, hoping to be liked. She laughed extremely hard, hoping to be liked. Then each drove home alone, staring straight ahead, with the very same twist to their faces.
evilm0nkey
Profile Joined October 2009
53 Posts
April 08 2010 00:11 GMT
#737
On April 08 2010 08:28 diehilde wrote:
after like 10 games i can safely say roaches are dead now zvz. its all about lings now. not that its much better. as for the other mus, I lost everything except a baneling bust zvp against runa.


I only played two ZvZs for now (Platinum), but one of them was really fun.

It was Zergling into Zergling / Baneling into Roach / Zergling into Muta (wich endet the game )
Roaches really do suck against lings in early game, but if you get the chance to build some to block your choke you can safely pump some drones. I guess this doesnt work on maps with wide chokes tho.
Later in the game with big armys Roaches obviously get stronger.
I cant tell about Hydra vs Muta for now, but my first impression is that this patch was a great improvement for ZvZ.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 00:13:29
April 08 2010 00:13 GMT
#738
Some interesting changes.
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
April 08 2010 00:22 GMT
#739
sorry if i missed an earlier post but does void ray still beat queen 1v1 starting at zero charge?
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 08 2010 00:23 GMT
#740
mech buff, good
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