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TSL-Lore
Profile Joined January 2009
United States412 Posts
April 08 2010 00:24 GMT
#741
Is anyone waiting for the game to go through more stages of development and playing other games instead?

I'm putting a TON of hours into trying to get my Golbat to evolve into a Crobat =P
I want to become stronger. -Shindou Hikaru
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 00:28:13
April 08 2010 00:25 GMT
#742
Yeah I do realise thors 1 shotted hydras before, but i was getting carapace to stop that, now that doesn't work, as well as me having to deal with thors popping out so much faster.

I am sticking with Z, but honestly I just think that these are the wrong combination of changes to make.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
April 08 2010 00:30 GMT
#743
On April 08 2010 09:25 dethrawr wrote:
Yeah I do realise thors 1 shotted hydras before, but i was getting carapace to stop that, now that doesn't work, as well as me having to deal with thors popping out so much faster.

I am sticking with Z, but honestly I just think that these are the wrong combination of changes to make.

Guess you're gonna half to think a little bit now.
Are you human?
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 08 2010 00:31 GMT
#744
ok, played a couple games, mech is just trash still, works vs bad zergs and in TvT thats it, try going any mech against P and ur toast, same as before.... fuck I hate the immortal, most imba unit in this game...and has dodged the nerfbat every patch W T F ?
"I like turtles"
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
April 08 2010 00:32 GMT
#745
On April 08 2010 09:31 arnold(soTa) wrote:
ok, played a couple games, mech is just trash still, works vs bad zergs and in TvT thats it, try going any mech against P and ur toast, same as before.... fuck I hate the immortal, most imba unit in this game...and has dodged the nerfbat every patch W T F ?


use ghosts with mech?
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 08 2010 00:36 GMT
#746
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:32 dethrawr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09:31 arnold(soTa) wrote:
ok, played a couple games, mech is just trash still, works vs bad zergs and in TvT thats it, try going any mech against P and ur toast, same as before.... fuck I hate the immortal, most imba unit in this game...and has dodged the nerfbat every patch W T F ?


use ghosts with mech?


ye I have been doing that. but tanks are just so retarded, I have to micro them like they are my children (their AI must be the worst in this game, blizz fix their priorities plz..) or they will shoot some useless unit or a unit that is close to another tank and splash his friend to death.

most of the losses Ive gotten off extremly wellplaced EMPS (ps. not very hard with cloak) and still got steamrolled. if you go tanks you just letting him expand, no way you can stop it.
im fine with marauders having their slow be an upgrade, but 80 seconds? all races have some rush except terran... whenever im up against T. I can expand fast without having to worry about rush...no fun.
"I like turtles"
roemy
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany432 Posts
April 08 2010 00:36 GMT
#747
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p
rock is fine.. paper could need a buff, but scissors have to be nerfed
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 08 2010 00:39 GMT
#748
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 roemy wrote:
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p


the strikecannon is useless, sry
"I like turtles"
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 08 2010 00:42 GMT
#749
I just have to add another thing, it seems that blizz is encouraging the use off most units in your army for it to be optimized, marines + marauders + medevacs, tanks ghosts, thors...etc etc.
but they havent took into consideration that they all share different upgrades, unlike zerg and protoss. ;E that was np in scbw because you went either or. mech or bio. realisticlly you cant upgrade both if you want an army. just saying, Im a bit steamed right now but I think my points r still valid
"I like turtles"
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
April 08 2010 00:43 GMT
#750
On April 08 2010 09:36 arnold(soTa) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:32 dethrawr wrote:
On April 08 2010 09:31 arnold(soTa) wrote:
ok, played a couple games, mech is just trash still, works vs bad zergs and in TvT thats it, try going any mech against P and ur toast, same as before.... fuck I hate the immortal, most imba unit in this game...and has dodged the nerfbat every patch W T F ?


use ghosts with mech?


all races have some rush except terran... whenever im up against T. I can expand fast without having to worry about rush...no fun.

uh... reaper rush?

You guys aren't even trying anymore.
Are you human?
Loverman
Profile Joined September 2007
Romania266 Posts
April 08 2010 00:44 GMT
#751
So whats next hardened shield tech at robo bay? XD
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
April 08 2010 00:45 GMT
#752
On April 08 2010 09:42 arnold(soTa) wrote:
I just have to add another thing, it seems that blizz is encouraging the use off most units in your army for it to be optimized, marines + marauders + medevacs, tanks ghosts, thors...etc etc.
but they havent took into consideration that they all share different upgrades, unlike zerg and protoss. ;E that was np in scbw because you went either or. mech or bio. realisticlly you cant upgrade both if you want an army. just saying, Im a bit steamed right now but I think my points r still valid

You don't have to use every unit every game, dude.
Are you human?
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 08 2010 00:45 GMT
#753
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:43 suejak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09:36 arnold(soTa) wrote:
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:32 dethrawr wrote:
On April 08 2010 09:31 arnold(soTa) wrote:
ok, played a couple games, mech is just trash still, works vs bad zergs and in TvT thats it, try going any mech against P and ur toast, same as before.... fuck I hate the immortal, most imba unit in this game...and has dodged the nerfbat every patch W T F ?


use ghosts with mech?


all races have some rush except terran... whenever im up against T. I can expand fast without having to worry about rush...no fun.

uh... reaper rush?

You guys aren't even trying anymore.


reapers are crap rushers, the are harassers only. its not very effecient to make more than a couple of those expensive/slowtrained units if you plan on winning.
maybe if you read the entire posts instead of just one line before you respond.

"I like turtles"
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
April 08 2010 00:47 GMT
#754
On April 08 2010 09:45 arnold(soTa) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:43 suejak wrote:
On April 08 2010 09:36 arnold(soTa) wrote:
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:32 dethrawr wrote:
On April 08 2010 09:31 arnold(soTa) wrote:
ok, played a couple games, mech is just trash still, works vs bad zergs and in TvT thats it, try going any mech against P and ur toast, same as before.... fuck I hate the immortal, most imba unit in this game...and has dodged the nerfbat every patch W T F ?


use ghosts with mech?


all races have some rush except terran... whenever im up against T. I can expand fast without having to worry about rush...no fun.

uh... reaper rush?

You guys aren't even trying anymore.


reapers are crap rushers, the are harassers only. its not very effecient to make more than a couple of those expensive/slowtrained units if you plan on winning.
maybe if you read the entire posts instead of just one line before you respond.


I responded to the only thing worth responding to.

Give reapers a try, sport. You might like it.
Are you human?
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
April 08 2010 00:47 GMT
#755
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:45 suejak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09:42 arnold(soTa) wrote:
I just have to add another thing, it seems that blizz is encouraging the use off most units in your army for it to be optimized, marines + marauders + medevacs, tanks ghosts, thors...etc etc.
but they havent took into consideration that they all share different upgrades, unlike zerg and protoss. ;E that was np in scbw because you went either or. mech or bio. realisticlly you cant upgrade both if you want an army. just saying, Im a bit steamed right now but I think my points r still valid

You don't have to use every unit every game, dude.



the point flying over your head... not even gonna bother replying with an argument my orignal post you commented on will suffice.
"I like turtles"
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
April 08 2010 00:47 GMT
#756
On April 08 2010 09:39 arnold(soTa) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 roemy wrote:
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p


the strikecannon is useless, sry

Strikecannon kills an immortal in 3 seconds even with shields up, it is not useless.
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-08 00:49:05
April 08 2010 00:48 GMT
#757
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:47 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2010 09:39 arnold(soTa) wrote:
On April 08 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:36 roemy wrote:
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p


the strikecannon is useless, sry

Strikecannon kills an immortal in 3 seconds even with shields up, it is not useless.


and cost a shitload of energy and takes forever to activate. and is countered by a simple +b move.
"I like turtles"
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
April 08 2010 00:49 GMT
#758
Please stop joking.
Roaches got too much nerfed. It's not even fun.
The main units for z were hydras and roaches and to an additionnal content zerglings. But now that roaches can't even tank, it becames really hard to rely on them.
This patch is seriously bullshit sorry.
I mean i wasn't really against a roach nerf but when you guys will realise that marauders are really fucking powerfull mid late game ? The upgrade changed nothing really.
Clearly i'm laughing my ass off because my marauders still have stim and they can rape zerg more than ever. Glings / blings ? Np i scout you my wall of rax is here for you. Plz say hi to hellion.
The patch did only 1 good thing : now marauders will have a harder time against protoss but that's about it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
April 08 2010 00:54 GMT
#759
i dont see any issue in zvt apart from the possiblity of mech being hard to deal with, and completely impossible to counter on Kulas.
Mutaling was always superior to hydra/roach anyway.
The zvp is definitely a huge problem. It doesnt seem per se imbalanced, just the skill roof is 10x higher for zerg. U have to get everything perfect while all P has to do is click the F button over and over.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
April 08 2010 00:55 GMT
#760
On April 08 2010 09:36 roemy wrote:
just did a 3x thor drop in enemys base, had them bombard his nexus, GG

that strikecannon also works beautifully on immos
feedback just got more interesting :p


Oh God. It's started. The thing I feared since Beta hit. Terran players figured out the Thor drop.

My Hatcheries are all so going to die today...

On April 08 2010 09:42 arnold(soTa) wrote:
I just have to add another thing, it seems that blizz is encouraging the use off most units in your army for it to be optimized, marines + marauders + medevacs, tanks ghosts, thors...etc etc.
but they havent took into consideration that they all share different upgrades, unlike zerg and protoss. ;E that was np in scbw because you went either or. mech or bio. realisticlly you cant upgrade both if you want an army. just saying, Im a bit steamed right now but I think my points r still valid


How is this different from SC1? While TvP was basically Factor vs. Protoss, both TvZ and TvT involved support from other areas. SK Terran was all about M&M yes, but it also involved DropShips and most importantly Vessels. TvT often involved tons of DropShip play.

MMM in SC2 just requires one StarPort. That's all. Yes, you could get ship plating upgrades, but that's hardly required. Bringing Ghosts with your Mech is likewise not a burden, as the Ghosts are there for EMP, not for their damage or armor.

Things get more complicated with more complete combinations, like Marines and Thors. But even Terrans in SC1 pulled this off; M&M with Siege Tank support was a functional build vs. Zerg. They seemed to manage the task of upgrading everything just fine.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
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