EPTPatch 8 Discussion - Page 32
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mgl0x9
United States256 Posts
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craaaaack
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:31 TheElitists wrote: RIP Zerg Swarm 1998 - 2010 =\ well not enitrely but I was havin ZvP problems already now im going to be firebathero Join the T bandwagon with me, I'm done. ZvP is simply impossible now. | ||
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NightOne
Canada215 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:25 PlayT0wiN wrote: WTF are you taking about this patch was gold, good changes on all races. I'm talking about the EA franchise being shit.. not about how SC2 is bad (cause its good) and i support the patch... this: http://mobius-comics.com/index.php/news/2010/command-and-conquer-4-beta-review/ is what i'm talking about... | ||
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Jandos
Czech Republic928 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:33 craaaaack wrote: EUROPE SHUTTING DOWN IN 4 MINUTES finally ;] | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
Yes I know I oversimplify it somewhat but this is the core principle. the 10hp together with the 1 armor reduction on roaches hopefully makes z use infestors a whole lot more or force zerg to micro more with the roaches regen when burrowed e.g.(to just pick two things off the top of my head). In other words we wont see so much zerg switching between 2 attacking unit compositions through out a game(again oversimplification but pretty much what is going on). Oh and to be a bit optimistic perhaps blizz will figure out a new unit or ability that is needed to spice things up with the zerg(or players will start to utilize the Ultralisk more so we can finally come to some sort of conclusion on what needs to be done about it). Oh before someone mentions it yes the infestor seems very weak as it is now but I hope with increased use(if lucky) we can start to see it get a more defined place in an army and how to use it properly. Atleast these are my thoughts and hopes. edit: someone prolly said something similar but reading through 30 pages aint fun and there are still people whining so it needs to be repeated. | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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PlayT0wiN
Romania94 Posts
If you just stay 1 min to think about them and not about the race you play you will see they are good ones, except the hydra nerf since I really see this as a bad change, | ||
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cerebralz
United States443 Posts
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
edit can some1 put this in perspective, how long does stimpack research take? or a marauder to train? | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:25 Mr.E wrote: People think this means marauders are going to be used less. All it really means is early marauder pushes will be less effective. T will either have to waste resources on early upgrade or attack without concussion if they try. Thinking back to Idra vs LZ where almost every game went late MMM vs hydra roach.... I don't think Idra would even stand a chance with that strat any more in the same conditions. But nerfing Marauders early on can have great effects on how the game is played out in the long run. Look at TvP for example without thinking of Marauder-rushes: - Stalkers can now move out on the Map pressuring the Terran Wall-in and scout if the Terran goes for a FE, tech or Mass-Marauders because you don't basically suicide every Unit that goes near the Terran base. - This means 2-gate stalkers will be better than going for very fast Immortals, or at least better than this strat was before, so you can go for a solid build that doesn't just die to Banshee-rushes. - Early pressure by the Protoss will force the Terran to adapt early on, which will lead to either less viable attack-forces, a later Expansion or a later tech, which will make stimmed-marauders with EMP less powerful and Terran can't just easily get an expansion up as soon as a few Marauders and EMP are out, or it won't get to that point that fast, jsut because of the extra 100/100 needed and more early pressure by the Protoss without having to do an allin with Immortals that get raped totally by EMP and stimmed marauders. I think because of that change, TvP will be a more well-rouned MU that awards solid play and early "pressure" and plz don't think of "pressure" like "all-in's". Pressure is good and solid. all-in's are risky and stupid. ^^' | ||
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2SCV1cup
69 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:35 arnold(soTa) wrote: why would T players cry when this patch is good for them? because late game tvp is shit and they will be annihilated without early game pressure vs toss ? (tvz changes are nice tho) | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:35 arnold(soTa) wrote: why would T players cry when this patch is good for them? Because we can't make nothing but tanks in all 3 matchups and win! DUH! | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
because late game pvt is shit and they will be annihilated without early game pressure vs toss ? (tvz changes are nice tho) Except t is buffed because marauders still own after 80 seconds and 100/100, and I think the thor build time decrease makes a strategy of expo/thor/marauder viable, since the thor's power can kill an immortal. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
On April 08 2010 06 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 08 2010 06 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:37 2SCV1cup wrote: because late game tvp is shit and they will be annihilated without early game pressure vs toss ? (tvz changes are nice tho) disagree, they are still as strong. what was nerfed was the overpowred marauder-rally-point-to-your-enemies-base-and-kite-till-infinity. PS I play mostly terran so this is not a P being biased >.< check out demuslim vs phobos gosu cup round 16 if you wanna know waht im talking about. I was/am of the oppinion that marauders are not OP, but they were during a small window and I think blizz changed this with this patch, well done, but the patch will hae to be tested ofc. im anxious to test it out. | ||
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
On April 08 2010 06:23 NightOne wrote: it sucks when blizzard's lead developer use to work for the piece of shit company Electronics Arts developing C&C3 (which by the way is nothing more than paper weight now) just take a look at C&C4... thats not even paper weight.. thats like buying an expensive crappy DVD with your only satisfaction being the chick from battlestar galactica is in it.... EA = garbage, but lead develper for SC2 is from EA... barf... not saying SC2 is bad right now (totally freakin love the game) but yeah.. this doesn't help... Well, I think SC2 has a lot of C&C features in. Changeling = Spy Sensor Towers. Big "Boss" units like Thor/Mothership. Everything got damage incrase, but buildings are still as squishy = very C&C like atmosphere when killing buildings. I'm not hating on Browder, I just think that Browder worked on C&C for so long, so he thinks that these things are very great (and I'm not saying they aren't, it just feels like they are being forced into SC universe) | ||
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