Makes me feel much better after seeing this. I was top 10 in platinum (division 12) for a week but I stopped playing cause I lost motivation after losing due to retarded strats, ie PvP warpgate rush. Ugh, maybe I'm just a bad player. Now I'm bumped down to the 30s due to inactivity.

I always felt that Protoss is the weakest race since it got wacked by the nerf bat multiple times; I guess this proves my point.

Edit: WOOO GO SMUFT!! Gives me a reason to stay toss!

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

March 20 2010 00:14 GMT

#43

blizz has a week or so before I jump boat and go z/t. Tired of having to do the most retarded builds because Terran can all in for the win if they want .. which then puts me behind in mid->late game if they decide to not do that OR I can pretend they won't/don't do the scv/all in and I can just pray for a manly T in which case I win damn near every time.

And vs Z you CANNOT scout until obs but that obs means you have commit to robo (which you have to do if they even hint at making the insanely cheap roach den) and that obs can cost you vs a fast roach OR if they just go straight macro Z with muta/hydra it is an uphill battle all game cause you made the robo tech which is now useless until late game where colossus MIGHT help IF they didn't go muta..

So basically I have to guess 3x to get to mid game and all the Z has to do to fuck with my brain is pick Z.

P NEEDED the nerf on warpgates cause that was OP in favor of P but they went to far. OR they need to nerf the T/Z a bit to make this game playable. I am/was the biggest supporter and I am vastly becoming the biggest pessimist.

buKe

Canada168 Posts

March 20 2010 00:27 GMT

#44

its cause of the marine/scv push, nothing else.

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

March 20 2010 00:28 GMT

#45

On March 20 2010 04:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:

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is it on purpose that you didn't read the op??

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Xeris

Iran17695 Posts

March 20 2010 00:48 GMT

#46

It's pretty crazy how fast the turnaround was for Protoss... in 1 week they went from dominant to getting owned really badly by almost everyone. They really were nerfed way too much. I think the biggest help to Protoss right now would be a Stalker buff... that would give Protoss players one more possible strategy to use.

Simple

United States801 Posts

March 20 2010 00:49 GMT

#47

i think its a combination of nerfs and buffs, and people not adapting to such changes

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

March 20 2010 00:52 GMT

#48

wow, looks like protoss has been pooped on

chocoed

United States398 Posts

March 20 2010 00:56 GMT

#49

On March 20 2010 09:14 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
blizz has a week or so before I jump boat and go z/t. Tired of having to do the most retarded builds because Terran can all in for the win if they want .. which then puts me behind in mid->late game if they decide to not do that OR I can pretend they won't/don't do the scv/all in and I can just pray for a manly T in which case I win damn near every time.

And vs Z you CANNOT scout until obs but that obs means you have commit to robo (which you have to do if they even hint at making the insanely cheap roach den) and that obs can cost you vs a fast roach OR if they just go straight macro Z with muta/hydra it is an uphill battle all game cause you made the robo tech which is now useless until late game where colossus MIGHT help IF they didn't go muta..

So basically I have to guess 3x to get to mid game and all the Z has to do to fuck with my brain is pick Z.

P NEEDED the nerf on warpgates cause that was OP in favor of P but they went to far. OR they need to nerf the T/Z a bit to make this game playable. I am/was the biggest supporter and I am vastly becoming the biggest pessimist.

Your points are the main reason why I went inactive for a week and began to find much frustration and eventually boredom in SC2, but now I'm starting to feel motivated to play again, all thanks to getting knocked down to the 40s and playing bad players.

Mike941

United States98 Posts

March 20 2010 01:30 GMT

#50

Isn't smuft the guy that made a whole thread about playing with himself? Lol sry couldn't resist.

deathgod6

United States5064 Posts

March 20 2010 01:32 GMT

#51

On March 19 2010 15:32 Lz wrote:
look at my handsome 2230

so good Jake! ^_^

theqat

United States2856 Posts

March 20 2010 01:33 GMT

#52

Move the creep speed bonus to a 100/100 Lair upgrade

red.venom

United States4651 Posts

March 20 2010 01:39 GMT

#53

Does anyone else just feel like a lot of this shit with balance is really dancing around the issue that matches are EXTREMELY.. tiltable. Like the game hinges 100% on simply winning a single battle or getting away with some economic thing(Typically this is how Z works) that lets you get a force that cannot be fucked with.

I just can't help but feel all the units are paper, harassment is very difficult to pull off after the first few minutes of the game & scouting is so difficult every race has to guess a bunch in the early game effectively making shit FEEL like rock/paper/scissors.

ugh. thats where im at with this game. theres always new stuff to learn and its fun to compete which keeps me playing but I'm so concerned with the direction of the game

Sfydjklm

United States9218 Posts

March 20 2010 01:42 GMT

#54

yep venom, at least as zerg all games for me end if i lose 1 battle. To boost my winratio tenfold i did a simple adjustment- stopped attacking at all. I deny bases, i take fights in the middle but i never try to attack their main or natural.

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

March 20 2010 01:43 GMT

#55

On March 20 2010 09:49 Simple wrote:
i think its a combination of nerfs and buffs, and people not adapting to such changes

I think you are partially correct in your incredibly "duh" comment. People "aren't adapting" for sure.. and that is because if this is HALF the game that scbw was we will be "adapting" for 6 years.

But in the current build.. there are simply overpowered elements stacked against protoss and that is a simple fact.

When they go from having 80% of the divisions (if not higher) being lead by a P to only ONE division having a P leader.. and btw, smuft submitted reps to dayvie about the T rush because HE cannot beat it on a consistent basis -> you have problems.

Sfydjklm

United States9218 Posts

March 20 2010 01:58 GMT

#56

who says u have to beat a rush on a consistent basis?
Really u need to be patient and give it some time. Tosses did abysmally in last zotac and quiet quiet well in the ESL. I betcha well see some tosses in today's PlayXP tournament do well too.
U have to have patience before u scream imba.

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

March 20 2010 02:04 GMT

#57

hey dude

I know you don't actually play, you just follow whatever top eastern european is doing well atm but:

Toss is doing terribly because of some imbalances in a beta. If we patiently fold our hands and accept this blizzard won't hear the problems. It isn't some strange coincidence EVERY SINGLE P has started to lose more than they win. It isn't some strange occurrence that it goes from having a ton of P's in top 8 to nearly NONE.

But I love the lecture on patience. That shit is deep bro.

DeMusliM

United Kingdom401 Posts

March 20 2010 02:08 GMT

#58

seems to vary from the US/EU quite alot :S -
but yeah i'd agree right now, protoss have it tough early game - once they hit late they are rocksolid though, so something needs to be swayed, maybe an exchange of their late game capabilities to their early more, so people don't have to win early vs toss, and toss don't have to fight tooth and nail just to get past the 5 minute barrier.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

March 20 2010 02:08 GMT

#59

Yeah, I agree with iNc. Early on in beta, I was having an impossible time TvP, but now I'm winning nearly every game with 2 rax (1 tech 1 reactor) pressure early game. I just 2-0'd response when he went 1 gate robo cross spots on kulas 2nd game, and 2 gate on desert oasis first game (both really fucking far distance maps compared to others).