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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-20 11:02:16
March 20 2010 05:03 GMT
#81
On March 20 2010 10:39 red.venom wrote:
Does anyone else just feel like a lot of this shit with balance is really dancing around the issue that matches are EXTREMELY.. tiltable. Like the game hinges 100% on simply winning a single battle or getting away with some economic thing(Typically this is how Z works) that lets you get a force that cannot be fucked with.

I just can't help but feel all the units are paper, harassment is very difficult to pull off after the first few minutes of the game & scouting is so difficult every race has to guess a bunch in the early game effectively making shit FEEL like rock/paper/scissors.

ugh. thats where im at with this game. theres always new stuff to learn and its fun to compete which keeps me playing but I'm so concerned with the direction of the game

I'd agree with this actually

the slippery slope in this game is really like a fucking 80° Cliff face. This is especially bad because of units like marauder who slow units, and the fact that rallied units come out attacking.

So like say my expo is being threatened by a few marauders and a few marines leftover from a larger battle that just happened. I can't rally my lings/roaches away from the men without half of them dying. So terran reinforcements are coming and I just have no chance to comeback or save expo at all.

And then there are units like sentry who offensively forcefield ramps and keep your reinforcements from coming out to help, so your army is divided and you lose the first one , and then when the field wears off you lose the 2nd one.

Also, There is no high ground advantage (via miss percentage). This makes the slippery slope even harder because melee units funneling down a ramp at your own base just get raped. Usually the high ground is only coming from YOUR bases so less units are needed to control this terrain. Now all you need is an overlord. Players don't fear the high ground at all because it doesn't mean shit.

Scouting is really inefficient early game because workers are too easily repelled/killed. So we are usually trying to get tier 2 to scout, and since these tech routes are not cheap, there is a problem with being able to have the correct units to deal with any timing attacks before this.

harrassment sucks as well, because of stupid things like auto surround/auto target. So like if I have 6 lings, click a probe, 2-3 of them will hit that probe, and the remainder will just attack whatever is nearby. And if the probe slides away, the first 2-3 also just attack whatever. Not to mention ling DPS is lesser than it was in BW.
On March 20 2010 10:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
yep venom, at least as zerg all games for me end if i lose 1 battle. To boost my winratio tenfold i did a simple adjustment- stopped attacking at all. I deny bases, i take fights in the middle but i never try to attack their main or natural.


also this, remember in BW how trading bases was usually bad? Now it's even worse, attacking at all is bad, haha wtf. Most my wins in TvZ are just expand, defend, map control, defend from drops air rushes, map control, etc. Tech up to Imbalords.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
March 20 2010 06:03 GMT
#82
a little off topic now but in responses stream right now it shows him as rank 1 in division 6 platinum 1v1 with a rating of only 1600 (i think)? Why is that? Did they reset the ratings or something?
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 20 2010 06:13 GMT
#83
On March 20 2010 15:03 t3tsubo wrote:
a little off topic now but in responses stream right now it shows him as rank 1 in division 6 platinum 1v1 with a rating of only 1600 (i think)? Why is that? Did they reset the ratings or something?


He's currently rank 14 with a rating of 1829. I think you're watching a replay of that stream.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Lite Kirby
Profile Joined November 2005
United States74 Posts
March 20 2010 07:49 GMT
#84
Yes #1 finally when you post the update. I am proud of myself.
Get upgrades, get observers, get storm.
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
March 20 2010 09:10 GMT
#85
Yeah it's even gotten a bit silly to watch replays now, protoss is such shit. I dont like mirrors much so only interesting match-up to watch atm is TvZ..
here i am
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
March 20 2010 09:39 GMT
#86
On March 20 2010 14:03 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2010 10:39 red.venom wrote:
Does anyone else just feel like a lot of this shit with balance is really dancing around the issue that matches are EXTREMELY.. tiltable. Like the game hinges 100% on simply winning a single battle or getting away with some economic thing(Typically this is how Z works) that lets you get a force that cannot be fucked with.

I just can't help but feel all the units are paper, harassment is very difficult to pull off after the first few minutes of the game & scouting is so difficult every race has to guess a bunch in the early game effectively making shit FEEL like rock/paper/scissors.

ugh. thats where im at with this game. theres always new stuff to learn and its fun to compete which keeps me playing but I'm so concerned with the direction of the game

I'd agree with this actually

the slippery slope in this game is really like a fucking 80° Cliff face. This is especially bad because of units like marauder who slow units, and the fact that rallied units come out attacking.

So like say my expo is being threatened by a few marauders and a few marines leftover from a larger battle that just happened. I can't rally my lings/roaches away from the men without half of them dying. So terran reinforcements are coming and I just have no chance to comeback or save expo at all.

And then there are units like sentry who offensively forcefield ramps and keep your reinforcements from coming out to help, so your army is divided and you lose the first one , and then when the field wears off you lose the 2nd one.

Scouting is really inefficient early game because workers are too easily repelled/killed. So we are usually trying to get tier 2 to scout, and since these tech routes are not cheap, there is a problem with being able to have the correct units to deal with any timing attacks before this.

harrassment sucks as well, because of stupid things like auto surround/auto target. So like if I have 6 lings, click a probe, 2-3 of them will hit that probe, and the remainder will just attack whatever is nearby. And if the probe slides away, the first 2-3 also just attack whatever. Not to mention ling DPS is lesser than it was in BW.
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2010 10:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
yep venom, at least as zerg all games for me end if i lose 1 battle. To boost my winratio tenfold i did a simple adjustment- stopped attacking at all. I deny bases, i take fights in the middle but i never try to attack their main or natural.


also this, remember in BW how trading bases was usually bad? Now it's even worse, attacking at all is bad, haha wtf. Most my wins in TvZ are just expand, defend, map control, defend from drops air rushes, map control, etc. Tech up to Imbalords.


i have one question does blizzard read this forum?
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
March 20 2010 09:44 GMT
#87
Btw what does it look like on Europe (and Asia)? Same trend?
here i am
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 20 2010 10:45 GMT
#88
[image loading]
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
vradovic
Profile Joined September 2008
United States293 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-20 15:08:42
March 20 2010 15:01 GMT
#89
Please add division 21

vasenego.vasenego.




Shaithis
Profile Joined March 2010
United States383 Posts
March 20 2010 15:19 GMT
#90
Pretty sure all the Cows are Bliz employees.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 20 2010 15:28 GMT
#91
division 21 is full, pretty sure there's a division 22 and probably a division 23 as well.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Davee
Profile Joined March 2010
United States38 Posts
March 20 2010 15:33 GMT
#92
davee.davee for Division 22
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 20 2010 21:55 GMT
#93
stupid friends list bug making me unable to see vasengo's ladder so can't post that one
[image loading]
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-25 16:27:10
March 25 2010 16:23 GMT
#94
Wow! Some people played A LOT of games! 500 games? Crazy! I've only played around ~40 and I'm like 25-13 Rank 23 in Platinum... forgot which division...

I had beta since wave too but didn't get to enjoy it until last week cuz I didn't have a PC to play it on -.-

Sooo any tournaments coming up?!?! I know of one! If anyone interested, I'll provide the info later ^^
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
Arveene
Profile Joined March 2010
United States10 Posts
March 25 2010 18:44 GMT
#95
Try adding Arveene.lolwatizdis for div 21 if you can't see vasengo's
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 25 2010 18:52 GMT
#96
k ty, sorry I was late again this week. I actually haven't played that much sc2 in the last couple of days. I'll try and get a new thread out later tonight.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
March 25 2010 19:03 GMT
#97
Smuft is dominating in an insane manner!
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
March 25 2010 19:24 GMT
#98
i'm in div25
phisix.uwaterloo
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10848 Posts
March 25 2010 19:26 GMT
#99
omfg. #18 -_-
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
lepape
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada557 Posts
March 25 2010 19:35 GMT
#100
lepape.lepape, division 26
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