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3/25/10 Newer rankings for this week on page 6. Since there was a reset, they don't matter but for historical purposes or whatever, you can see the top ranks there at the end of the first ever sc2 beta ladder : ) .
Sorry I'm a little late on the updates this week, but St. Patrick's Day interfered  + Show Spoiler +Unfortunately the only way to check this is if you have a friend online where you can check his profile to see where he stands in the rankings. (Blizzard really needs to fix this).
Div 20, & any new ones I don't have shots of because for some reason some people who were previously ranked that I added friends and notes on are not in a 1v1 ladder anymore (some kind of bug I assume). So if anyone has those please shoot me a PM with your username so I can add you and make some SS for those asap.
Stats currently among the top 8 ranks:
51 Zerg![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) , 32 Protoss![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) , 52! Terran![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) , 17 Random.
#1 Leader Ranks Only:
1! Protoss, 9 Zerg, 7 Terran, 2 Random
(I guess the cumulation of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs were too much?)
Those people are:
1 OversKy 447-187 2017 Zerg 71%
2 Smuft 455-130 2472 Protoss 79%
3 GnoMEy 177-61 1932 Random! 74%
4 CauthonLuck 435-208 1983 Terran 68%
5 Slush 298-216 2041 Zerg 56%
6 CowsRule 284-164 2230 Terran 63%
7 TeamEG 291-194 1965 Protoss 68%
8 Real 158-102 2177 Zerg 61%
9 Mekhami 249-166 2076 Terran 59%
10 qxc 176-119 2091 Terran 60%
11 Lite 185-127 2225 Terran 59%
12 Rathorse 140-82 2020 Terran 63%
13 APurpleCow 66-41 1947 Zerg 62%
14 GlaDe 140-69 2073 Zerg 69%
15 Attero 146-101 2047 Random! 59%
16 iris 246-167 2125 Zerg 60%
17 Sheth 113-64 2079 Zerg 64%
18 Boat 81-52 1850Terran 61%
19 CatZ 83-38 1953 Zerg 69%
Man, what's with all the Cows?
For Reference here are last week's stats (missing quite a few divisions though):
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115402Stats currently among the top 8 ranks:47 Zerg , 39 Protoss , 36 Terran , 14 Random . #1 Leader Ranks Only:8 Protoss , 4 Zerg , 3 Terran , 2 Random Those people are:1 OversKy 431-174 2038 Zerg 71%2 Smuft 348-98 2281 Protoss 78%3 GnoMEy 146-42 1798 Random! 78%4 Idra 369-164 1874 Protoss 69% DETHRONED CGM (he has barely played any games though) 5 vOidwards 159-75 1864 Protoss 70%6 CrunCher 223-103 2038 Protoss 68%7 philanderer 155-74 1965 Protoss 68%8 SiNdreAd 213-143 1853 Zerg 60%9 bentoboxrox 133-91 1772 Protoss 59%10 Pride 192-130 1691 Terran 60%11 TatzuSFK 283-213 1802 Protoss 57%12 Rathorse 92-52 1779 Terran 64%13 Akiika 120-88 1673 Protoss 58%14 GlaDe 86-33 1815 Zerg 72%15 Attero 50-24 2059 Random! 68%16 DEFixt 46-19 1691 Zerg 71%18 Nikola 48-27 1413 Terran 65%
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look at my handsome 2230 
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On March 19 2010 15:32 Lz wrote:look at my handsome 2230
screw you man, look at my 1816 rank 12! 
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Wow, Smuft has an insanely good record.
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Next time you post up rankings I'll be sure to be top 8.
Just started in platinum div 19.
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On March 19 2010 15:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Wow, Smuft has an insanely good record.
yea he does, first sc2 pro gamer right there.
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Man that guy Iris in my division 16 went up by like 300 points in 1 week lol. On a side note, I FINALLY MADE IT ONTO THE PAGE!!! woot rank 17! lol
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On March 19 2010 15:39 Bigpon86 wrote:
Man that guy Iris in my division 16 went up by like 300 points in 1 week lol. On a side note, I FINALLY MADE IT ONTO THE PAGE!!! woot rank 17! lol
welcome to the hard part man. If you don't play a lot every day you drop real fast. upkeep
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Tomorrow I am passing Bisu. It has been my goal for a week.
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It seems to me that the amount of top eight ranked Protoss players is quickly falling. Does anyone have numbers to confirm this?
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On March 19 2010 16:08 cmpcmp wrote:
It seems to me that the amount of top eight ranked Protoss players is quickly falling. Does anyone have numbers to confirm this?
I'll do it tomorrow if no one does it by then. Check back later.
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In my divison theres 5 terrans in top 8. Doing top race for each league isn't the best. Some of them don't have as many points as me. Top 50 overall would represent things much better.
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On March 19 2010 15:29 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Div 20, & any new ones I don't have shots of because for some reason some people who were previously ranked that I added friends and notes on are not in a 1v1 ladder anymore (some kind of bug I assume). So if anyone has those please shoot me a PM with your username so I can add you and make some SS for those asap.
It's a bug, and it's caused by having too many friends on your friend list. Delete some friends and you'll be able to see people's (and yours) ladder again.
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On March 19 2010 18:22 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2010 15:29 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Div 20, & any new ones I don't have shots of because for some reason some people who were previously ranked that I added friends and notes on are not in a 1v1 ladder anymore (some kind of bug I assume). So if anyone has those please shoot me a PM with your username so I can add you and make some SS for those asap.
It's a bug, and it's caused by having too many friends on your friend list. Delete some friends and you'll be able to see people's (and yours) ladder again.
that's weird, it's only happened to some people, and I can see mine and most of the people on my list.
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On March 19 2010 18:46 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2010 18:22 Dionyseus wrote:On March 19 2010 15:29 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Div 20, & any new ones I don't have shots of because for some reason some people who were previously ranked that I added friends and notes on are not in a 1v1 ladder anymore (some kind of bug I assume). So if anyone has those please shoot me a PM with your username so I can add you and make some SS for those asap.
It's a bug, and it's caused by having too many friends on your friend list. Delete some friends and you'll be able to see people's (and yours) ladder again. that's weird, it's only happened to some people, and I can see mine and most of the people on my list.
Yep it starts out like that (when you have around 30 friends), and every friend you add after that it just gets even worse and eventually you wouldn't be able to see your own ladder.
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Heh, I don't feel bad of not being at the top anymore after seeing this. There's not a single protoss #1 right now other than Smuft who already had a really solid headstart on everyone and he's getting help from Spunky as well.
I'm glad to see tosses are getting raped hard and it's not just me. This has been a pretty frustrating week of getting 8 pooled/mass muta'd and SCV rushed constantly... 
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Wow, it's kind of shocking to see all the protoss #1s go down except for Smuft, and I think he could stop playing for 3 weeks and still be number one...
I count 10 zerg #1s, 8 terran and Smuft and most of the newer ladders don't have a single toss in the top 8. I have a feeling Bliz went a little far with the protoss nerf-bat.
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which is the point of being 1# in 20000 platinum division? i suppose they should bring to 1 the platinum division..
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On March 19 2010 19:29 LuDwig- wrote:
which is the point of being 1# in 20000 platinum division? i suppose they should bring to 1 the platinum division..
Which platinum division that is the best is utterly random, depends on who gets put where. They have said they will have a division above platinum, so you have something to aim at. The top 8 each division seems to be relevant for something as well.
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Hmm can't view the images for some reason.
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On March 19 2010 19:28 RisingTide wrote:
Wow, it's kind of shocking to see all the protoss #1s go down except for Smuft, and I think he could stop playing for 3 weeks and still be number one...
I count 10 zerg #1s, 8 terran and Smuft and most of the newer ladders don't have a single toss in the top 8. I have a feeling Bliz went a little far with the protoss nerf-bat.
it's hard to win a game or even to have fun when you're toss right now - so I just started doing random stuff. Too much scv/rine rushes, zergling rush on small maps, mutas on other maps to really do anything.
The only time I find I have a chance is to do something equally retarded like 2x proxy gates ^^ but experimenting has been fun, even though it hasn't been successful lol
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Having the same difficulty as other Protoss right now. Getting 8 pooled and SCV / marine rushes with reactors every game is getting old quickly.
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3 days not playing and suddenly im not on there anymore...gay.
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Is it on purpose that you didn't post division 20 ??
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Holy crap, I beat CauthonLuck #1 Division 4, without knowing who he was or even what league he was in. I'm a silver player, heh. Double reactor rax marine rush ftw?!
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Only one protoss at the top of his division. Ugh, look at the number of zergs
disgusting
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Add Jambi.rts for div 17 ranks.
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Oh my god, I am so relieved to hear that every other Protoss is having the same trouble as I am having. I was starting to feel like a fucking idiot thinking it was just me. How the hell do we handle the reactor rush and the 8pool? It feels like to handle 8 pool, i leave myself vulnerable to quick roaches. >___<
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On March 19 2010 22:34 Tamerlane wrote:
Is it on purpose that you didn't post division 20 ??
is it on purpose that you didn't read the op??
and what's with all these toss complaining about 8pool? It's not hard at all to stop. learn to make a base and scout maybe?
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Did the basic part for you
Stats currently among the top 8 ranks:
52 Zerg
31 Protoss
51 Terran
17 Random.
I keep missing 1 so it adds to 151 atm
#1 Leader Ranks Only:
1 Protoss
9 Zerg
7 Terran
2 Random
Those people are:
1 OversKy 447-187 2017 Zerg 70.5%
2 Smuft 348-98 2472 Protoss 77.8%
3 GnoMEy 177-61 1932 Random 74.4%
4 CauthonLuck 435-208 1983 Terran 67.7%
5 Slush 298-216 2041 Zerg 56.0%
6 Cowsrule 284-164 2166 Zerg 63.4%
[b]7 TeamEG/b] 291-194 2230 Terran 60.0%
8 Real 158-102 2177 Zerg 60.8%
9 Mekhami 249-166 2076 Terran 60.0%
10 qxc 176-119 2091 Terran 59.7%
11 Lite 185-127 2225 Terran 59.3%
12 Rathorse 140-82 2020 Terran 63.1%
13 APurpleCow 66-41 1947 Zerg 61.7%
14 Glade 140-69 2073 Zerg 58%
15 Attero 146-101 2047 Random 59.1%
16 Iris 246-167 2125 Zerg 59.6%
17 Sheth 113-64 2079 Zerg 63.8%
18 BOAT 81-52 1850 Terran 60.9%
19 CatZ 83-38 1953 Zerg 68.6%
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oh, u son of a bitch. I just finished doing them >.<
wtf why are some % all rainbow? btw, I was rounding up .5 higher and .4 lower.
edit- hey some of the win% are wrong, and I counted 51z 52t. and it's CetZ (I hate the bnet font 6's look like 5's or 8's etc) nvm >.<
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Russian Federation1607 Posts
Smuft, gogo, dont stop. U are our only hope now!
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On March 20 2010 05:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
Smurf, gogo, dont stop. U are our only hope now!
lol it's Smuft
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OMG there is more terran now. Now I'm happy
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Russian Federation1607 Posts
On March 20 2010 05:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2010 05:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
Smurf, gogo, dont stop. U are our only hope now! lol it's Smuft
Oh, thanks for this. I thought that it's old school Protoss
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On March 20 2010 05:37 Jenia6109 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2010 05:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:On March 20 2010 05:21 Jenia6109 wrote:
Smurf, gogo, dont stop. U are our only hope now! lol it's Smuft Oh, thanks for this. I thought that it's old school Protoss
Uh Smuft is an old school protoss, used to play in Korea etc. ;o
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
if the numbers aren't any kind of an indicator.. P cannot fucking win atm rofl
HELP US BLIZZZZ
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
On March 20 2010 05:41 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
if the numbers aren't any kind of an indicator.. P cannot fucking win atm rofl
HELP US BLIZZZZ
u are toss user now? why?
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Makes me feel much better after seeing this. I was top 10 in platinum (division 12) for a week but I stopped playing cause I lost motivation after losing due to retarded strats, ie PvP warpgate rush. Ugh, maybe I'm just a bad player. Now I'm bumped down to the 30s due to inactivity.
I always felt that Protoss is the weakest race since it got wacked by the nerf bat multiple times; I guess this proves my point.
Edit: WOOO GO SMUFT!! Gives me a reason to stay toss!
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
blizz has a week or so before I jump boat and go z/t. Tired of having to do the most retarded builds because Terran can all in for the win if they want .. which then puts me behind in mid->late game if they decide to not do that OR I can pretend they won't/don't do the scv/all in and I can just pray for a manly T in which case I win damn near every time.
And vs Z you CANNOT scout until obs but that obs means you have commit to robo (which you have to do if they even hint at making the insanely cheap roach den) and that obs can cost you vs a fast roach OR if they just go straight macro Z with muta/hydra it is an uphill battle all game cause you made the robo tech which is now useless until late game where colossus MIGHT help IF they didn't go muta..
So basically I have to guess 3x to get to mid game and all the Z has to do to fuck with my brain is pick Z.
P NEEDED the nerf on warpgates cause that was OP in favor of P but they went to far. OR they need to nerf the T/Z a bit to make this game playable. I am/was the biggest supporter and I am vastly becoming the biggest pessimist.
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its cause of the marine/scv push, nothing else.
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On March 20 2010 04:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2010 22:34 Tamerlane wrote:
Is it on purpose that you didn't post division 20 ?? is it on purpose that you didn't read the op??
To see the division 20 ladder add tamer.SPL to friend list.
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It's pretty crazy how fast the turnaround was for Protoss... in 1 week they went from dominant to getting owned really badly by almost everyone. They really were nerfed way too much. I think the biggest help to Protoss right now would be a Stalker buff... that would give Protoss players one more possible strategy to use.
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i think its a combination of nerfs and buffs, and people not adapting to such changes
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wow, looks like protoss has been pooped on
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On March 20 2010 09:14 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
blizz has a week or so before I jump boat and go z/t. Tired of having to do the most retarded builds because Terran can all in for the win if they want .. which then puts me behind in mid->late game if they decide to not do that OR I can pretend they won't/don't do the scv/all in and I can just pray for a manly T in which case I win damn near every time.
And vs Z you CANNOT scout until obs but that obs means you have commit to robo (which you have to do if they even hint at making the insanely cheap roach den) and that obs can cost you vs a fast roach OR if they just go straight macro Z with muta/hydra it is an uphill battle all game cause you made the robo tech which is now useless until late game where colossus MIGHT help IF they didn't go muta..
So basically I have to guess 3x to get to mid game and all the Z has to do to fuck with my brain is pick Z.
P NEEDED the nerf on warpgates cause that was OP in favor of P but they went to far. OR they need to nerf the T/Z a bit to make this game playable. I am/was the biggest supporter and I am vastly becoming the biggest pessimist.
Your points are the main reason why I went inactive for a week and began to find much frustration and eventually boredom in SC2, but now I'm starting to feel motivated to play again, all thanks to getting knocked down to the 40s and playing bad players.
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Isn't smuft the guy that made a whole thread about playing with himself? Lol sry couldn't resist.
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On March 19 2010 15:32 Lz wrote:look at my handsome 2230
so good Jake! ^_^
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Move the creep speed bonus to a 100/100 Lair upgrade
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Does anyone else just feel like a lot of this shit with balance is really dancing around the issue that matches are EXTREMELY.. tiltable. Like the game hinges 100% on simply winning a single battle or getting away with some economic thing(Typically this is how Z works) that lets you get a force that cannot be fucked with.
I just can't help but feel all the units are paper, harassment is very difficult to pull off after the first few minutes of the game & scouting is so difficult every race has to guess a bunch in the early game effectively making shit FEEL like rock/paper/scissors.
ugh. thats where im at with this game. theres always new stuff to learn and its fun to compete which keeps me playing but I'm so concerned with the direction of the game
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yep venom, at least as zerg all games for me end if i lose 1 battle. To boost my winratio tenfold i did a simple adjustment- stopped attacking at all. I deny bases, i take fights in the middle but i never try to attack their main or natural.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On March 20 2010 09:49 Simple wrote:
i think its a combination of nerfs and buffs, and people not adapting to such changes
I think you are partially correct in your incredibly "duh" comment. People "aren't adapting" for sure.. and that is because if this is HALF the game that scbw was we will be "adapting" for 6 years.
But in the current build.. there are simply overpowered elements stacked against protoss and that is a simple fact.
When they go from having 80% of the divisions (if not higher) being lead by a P to only ONE division having a P leader.. and btw, smuft submitted reps to dayvie about the T rush because HE cannot beat it on a consistent basis -> you have problems.
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who says u have to beat a rush on a consistent basis?
Really u need to be patient and give it some time. Tosses did abysmally in last zotac and quiet quiet well in the ESL. I betcha well see some tosses in today's PlayXP tournament do well too.
U have to have patience before u scream imba.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
hey dude
I know you don't actually play, you just follow whatever top eastern european is doing well atm but:
Toss is doing terribly because of some imbalances in a beta. If we patiently fold our hands and accept this blizzard won't hear the problems. It isn't some strange coincidence EVERY SINGLE P has started to lose more than they win. It isn't some strange occurrence that it goes from having a ton of P's in top 8 to nearly NONE.
But I love the lecture on patience. That shit is deep bro.
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seems to vary from the US/EU quite alot :S -
but yeah i'd agree right now, protoss have it tough early game - once they hit late they are rocksolid though, so something needs to be swayed, maybe an exchange of their late game capabilities to their early more, so people don't have to win early vs toss, and toss don't have to fight tooth and nail just to get past the 5 minute barrier.
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Yeah, I agree with iNc. Early on in beta, I was having an impossible time TvP, but now I'm winning nearly every game with 2 rax (1 tech 1 reactor) pressure early game. I just 2-0'd response when he went 1 gate robo cross spots on kulas 2nd game, and 2 gate on desert oasis first game (both really fucking far distance maps compared to others).
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So I guess I should switch from Z to T instead of Z to P? xD
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early days yet, play what you find most fun, since everything is gonna continue to change
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I'm sorry but I don't agree with your attitude. I think there should be a bit more patience so that they can try to analyze what is up. I'm sure there is a lot of tweaking to be done, and maybe other strategical options will open up with units like the stalker.
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On March 20 2010 11:04 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
hey dude
I know you don't actually play, you just follow whatever top eastern european is doing well atm but:
I play and quiet well, ty very much
Toss is doing terribly because of some imbalances in a beta. If we patiently fold our hands and accept this blizzard won't hear the problems. It isn't some strange coincidence EVERY SINGLE P has started to lose more than they win. It isn't some strange occurrence that it goes from having a ton of P's in top 8 to nearly NONE.
But I love the lecture on patience. That shit is deep bro.
Yea just look at how Dimaga slaughtered Lucifron with his unstoppable banelings 
I understand the signs are alarming, but you gotta give it a bit more time. How long did it took tosses to deviate from gate-core against z? Much much more then 1 week.
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The biggest problem that I see is that people need to be a little bit more creative...
I am in platinum league and all you ever see is the same strat like its been cemented into the game for years, while to this day in bw we are finding different ways of doing things.
so why? the game will never be and should never be balanced to 100% because that will only lead to hard counters and it will only kill our options
I've tried some things with zerg that I havent seen anybody try and found great success.
Really I think we are trying to play this game with the basis of BW but at the same time forgetting some fundamental innovations from BW.
I don't want to get into what I am doing, but I think people need to open up their minds and hopefully a post like this will lead somebody that reads it to open their minds to try new things.
If we want to balance this game to the point where we are doing 14 pool 16 queen and whatever up to 200 than our game will not last very long!
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For anyone who is interested, here are all of the numbers from the last three weeks side by side:
4-Mar 10-Mar 18-Mar
Stats currently among the top 8 ranks:
Zerg:
29>>>47>>>52
Protoss:
28>>>39>>>31
Terran:
15>>>36>>>51
Random:
7>>>14>>>17
Total:
79>>136>>151
#1 LeadeR Ranks Only:
5 Protoss 8 Protoss 1 Protoss
3 Zerg 4 Zerg 9 Zerg
2 Terran 3 Terran 7 Terran
0 Random 2 Random 2 Random
It appears that Protoss are in fact falling behind. Keep in mind that the total number of "top 8" slots grew from 136 to 151 yet the amount of Protoss players fell from 39 to 31. Furthermore, among #1 ranked players Protoss went from holding 8 to 1 spots, an 87% decrease.
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it would be more accurate to measure europe too, not just US :S
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Smuft is our last remaining hope.
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Help us Smuft-Wan Kenobi, your our only hope!
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
PATIENCE GUYS THOSE NUMBERS WILL FLIP AROUND WHEN THE COLLECTIVE P'S PLAY WITH "creativity" WTF?
Sorry..but I am usually the LAST person to complain about imbalances. This however, is inexcusable. There needs to be a change or else the # of P's will decrease.. not just wins, this will become another war3 where a certain race is a ghost.
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On March 20 2010 11:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
PATIENCE GUYS THOSE NUMBERS WILL FLIP AROUND WHEN THE COLLECTIVE P'S PLAY WITH "creativity" WTF?
Sorry..but I am usually the LAST person to complain about imbalances. This however, is inexcusable. There needs to be a change or else the # of P's will decrease.. not just wins, this will become another war3 where a certain race is a ghost.
This may or may not be an overreaction.
Its a few weeks into the beta - it's not as if the game has even been released. Its fair to say blizzard is going to notice this, nerf terran and zerg in ways they seem appropriate versus protoss, and then protoss will be drastically overpowered - causing more people to flip out.
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On March 19 2010 15:54 Bosu wrote:
Tomorrow I am passing Bisu. It has been my goal for a week.
BOSU VS BISU....ROUND ONE: FIGHT
Thanks for compiling this charlie
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On March 20 2010 11:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
PATIENCE GUYS THOSE NUMBERS WILL FLIP AROUND WHEN THE COLLECTIVE P'S PLAY WITH "creativity" WTF?
Sorry..but I am usually the LAST person to complain about imbalances. This however, is inexcusable. There needs to be a change or else the # of P's will decrease.. not just wins, this will become another war3 where a certain race is a ghost.
75 Protoss, 65 Zerg, 33 Terran and 13 Random
97 Protoss, 95 Zerg, 71 Terran and 22 Random
90 Terran, 112 Zergs, 106 Protoss and 22 Randoms
Last are the numbers from 2 days after warp nerf.
So yes you are jumping the gun. The least u could do before crying wolf is wait for this weeks bulleting from woufou.
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Look out GNoMey - my new account is rank 20 after 2 days in plat div 3 with 18-3 record rofl
Plat div 3 seems to have gotten a makeover - like half the people in the 20-50 slots have recently joined division icon, and only ~50 players.
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everyone plays terran, when i match make i play 90% terrans at top 10plat level -_-
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On March 20 2010 12:23 _rdm_ wrote:
everyone plays terran, when i match make i play 90% terrans at top 10plat level -_-
Yeh most of the new divisions are absolutely dominated by terran and zerg.
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I find T>>>P and Z>T slightly, for me recently.
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btw Smuft is 2501 at the moment.
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warp gate nerf was necessary, the previous strength only masked protoss's weakness which now needs to be addressed
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On March 20 2010 10:39 red.venom wrote:
Does anyone else just feel like a lot of this shit with balance is really dancing around the issue that matches are EXTREMELY.. tiltable. Like the game hinges 100% on simply winning a single battle or getting away with some economic thing(Typically this is how Z works) that lets you get a force that cannot be fucked with.
I just can't help but feel all the units are paper, harassment is very difficult to pull off after the first few minutes of the game & scouting is so difficult every race has to guess a bunch in the early game effectively making shit FEEL like rock/paper/scissors.
ugh. thats where im at with this game. theres always new stuff to learn and its fun to compete which keeps me playing but I'm so concerned with the direction of the game
I'd agree with this actually
the slippery slope in this game is really like a fucking 80° Cliff face. This is especially bad because of units like marauder who slow units, and the fact that rallied units come out attacking.
So like say my expo is being threatened by a few marauders and a few marines leftover from a larger battle that just happened. I can't rally my lings/roaches away from the men without half of them dying. So terran reinforcements are coming and I just have no chance to comeback or save expo at all.
And then there are units like sentry who offensively forcefield ramps and keep your reinforcements from coming out to help, so your army is divided and you lose the first one , and then when the field wears off you lose the 2nd one.
Also, There is no high ground advantage (via miss percentage). This makes the slippery slope even harder because melee units funneling down a ramp at your own base just get raped. Usually the high ground is only coming from YOUR bases so less units are needed to control this terrain. Now all you need is an overlord. Players don't fear the high ground at all because it doesn't mean shit.
Scouting is really inefficient early game because workers are too easily repelled/killed. So we are usually trying to get tier 2 to scout, and since these tech routes are not cheap, there is a problem with being able to have the correct units to deal with any timing attacks before this.
harrassment sucks as well, because of stupid things like auto surround/auto target. So like if I have 6 lings, click a probe, 2-3 of them will hit that probe, and the remainder will just attack whatever is nearby. And if the probe slides away, the first 2-3 also just attack whatever. Not to mention ling DPS is lesser than it was in BW.
On March 20 2010 10:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
yep venom, at least as zerg all games for me end if i lose 1 battle. To boost my winratio tenfold i did a simple adjustment- stopped attacking at all. I deny bases, i take fights in the middle but i never try to attack their main or natural.
also this, remember in BW how trading bases was usually bad? Now it's even worse, attacking at all is bad, haha wtf. Most my wins in TvZ are just expand, defend, map control, defend from drops air rushes, map control, etc. Tech up to Imbalords.
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a little off topic now but in responses stream right now it shows him as rank 1 in division 6 platinum 1v1 with a rating of only 1600 (i think)? Why is that? Did they reset the ratings or something?
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On March 20 2010 15:03 t3tsubo wrote:
a little off topic now but in responses stream right now it shows him as rank 1 in division 6 platinum 1v1 with a rating of only 1600 (i think)? Why is that? Did they reset the ratings or something?
He's currently rank 14 with a rating of 1829. I think you're watching a replay of that stream.
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Yes #1 finally when you post the update. I am proud of myself.
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Yeah it's even gotten a bit silly to watch replays now, protoss is such shit. I dont like mirrors much so only interesting match-up to watch atm is TvZ..
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On March 20 2010 14:03 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2010 10:39 red.venom wrote:
Does anyone else just feel like a lot of this shit with balance is really dancing around the issue that matches are EXTREMELY.. tiltable. Like the game hinges 100% on simply winning a single battle or getting away with some economic thing(Typically this is how Z works) that lets you get a force that cannot be fucked with.
I just can't help but feel all the units are paper, harassment is very difficult to pull off after the first few minutes of the game & scouting is so difficult every race has to guess a bunch in the early game effectively making shit FEEL like rock/paper/scissors.
ugh. thats where im at with this game. theres always new stuff to learn and its fun to compete which keeps me playing but I'm so concerned with the direction of the game I'd agree with this actually the slippery slope in this game is really like a fucking 80° Cliff face. This is especially bad because of units like marauder who slow units, and the fact that rallied units come out attacking. So like say my expo is being threatened by a few marauders and a few marines leftover from a larger battle that just happened. I can't rally my lings/roaches away from the men without half of them dying. So terran reinforcements are coming and I just have no chance to comeback or save expo at all. And then there are units like sentry who offensively forcefield ramps and keep your reinforcements from coming out to help, so your army is divided and you lose the first one , and then when the field wears off you lose the 2nd one. Scouting is really inefficient early game because workers are too easily repelled/killed. So we are usually trying to get tier 2 to scout, and since these tech routes are not cheap, there is a problem with being able to have the correct units to deal with any timing attacks before this. harrassment sucks as well, because of stupid things like auto surround/auto target. So like if I have 6 lings, click a probe, 2-3 of them will hit that probe, and the remainder will just attack whatever is nearby. And if the probe slides away, the first 2-3 also just attack whatever. Not to mention ling DPS is lesser than it was in BW. Show nested quote +On March 20 2010 10:42 Sfydjklm wrote:
yep venom, at least as zerg all games for me end if i lose 1 battle. To boost my winratio tenfold i did a simple adjustment- stopped attacking at all. I deny bases, i take fights in the middle but i never try to attack their main or natural.
also this, remember in BW how trading bases was usually bad? Now it's even worse, attacking at all is bad, haha wtf. Most my wins in TvZ are just expand, defend, map control, defend from drops air rushes, map control, etc. Tech up to Imbalords.
i have one question does blizzard read this forum?
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Btw what does it look like on Europe (and Asia)? Same trend?
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Please add division 21
vasenego.vasenego.
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Pretty sure all the Cows are Bliz employees.
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division 21 is full, pretty sure there's a division 22 and probably a division 23 as well.
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davee.davee for Division 22
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stupid friends list bug making me unable to see vasengo's ladder so can't post that one
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Wow! Some people played A LOT of games! 500 games? Crazy! I've only played around ~40 and I'm like 25-13 Rank 23 in Platinum... forgot which division...
I had beta since wave too but didn't get to enjoy it until last week cuz I didn't have a PC to play it on -.-
Sooo any tournaments coming up?!?! I know of one! If anyone interested, I'll provide the info later ^^
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Try adding Arveene.lolwatizdis for div 21 if you can't see vasengo's
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k ty, sorry I was late again this week. I actually haven't played that much sc2 in the last couple of days. I'll try and get a new thread out later tonight.
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Smuft is dominating in an insane manner!
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i'm in div25
phisix.uwaterloo
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lepape.lepape, division 26
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rofl platinum divisions full of under 50 game people.
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i just heard the euro servers did the clean slate wipe reset and US might be soon. So hopefully I can get home and get the screenshots taken for this weeks post.
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awww I almost made it 52 zerg ><
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On March 26 2010 06:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
i just heard the euro servers did the clean slate wipe reset and US might be soon. So hopefully I can get home and get the screenshots taken for this weeks post.
This is what I meant with my post in the other thread.
No, the EU server did not get a wipe. We are having the issues that the US server had a bit earlier this week, aka B.net going down for a moment, people having lost their friend list, portraits being buggy and so on.
Yes, there might be a server wipe, and this are their preparations for them, but no, atm the EU server did not get wiped.
(I was online the last 2 hours, and I even relogged a couple of times to see it it was that or just the server having some trouble).
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servers are down, new patch!
Probably gonna be a wipe. I did manage to get some screenshots of some of the divisions, but cause of the stupid bug where you have too many friends, I couldn't get them all (even though I should have).
Since the servers are probably going to be wiped, I dunno if a new thread is warranted. I'll just post the last ranks for the first sc2 beta ladder as some kind of history or whatever.
Can't see 4
Can't see 10
can't see 12
Can't see 14
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Looks like we missed the chance to see the pre patch breakdown. Oh well.
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On March 26 2010 11:47 Wintermute wrote:
Looks like we missed the chance to see the pre patch breakdown. Oh well.
sorry long post haha
Mostly all Zerg #1 spots, a few more random #1s and 2 #1 Protoss. No Terrans. But again, I missed quite a few because the friends list bug bullshit >.<
But overall, pretty diverse top 8s. Looks pretty even to me, maybe a bit heavy on the zergs.
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glad to be one of those few protoss' #1 ^^
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Smuft and Artosis tearing it up
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On March 26 2010 11:57 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2010 11:47 Wintermute wrote:
Looks like we missed the chance to see the pre patch breakdown. Oh well. sorry long post haha Mostly all Zerg #1 spots, a few more random #1s and 2 #1 Protoss. No Terrans. But again, I missed quite a few because the friends list bug bullshit >.< But overall, pretty diverse top 8s. Looks pretty even to me, maybe a bit heavy on the zergs.
I was a T#1, but prob moved down a few spots since I have not played games since last night 
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Why do you people bump this thread like it's current? You do know there was a reset right? I mean I fucking wrote it in bold red font at the top of the OP..
PS- Smuft isn't laddering anymore. Smuft has been playing assem only in custom games. We should expect to see him in tournaments and real ladders later on.
Once the ladder divisions settle down (no more new (!) marks) then i'll repost a new ranking.
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Can we get some updated information as of the server reset and patch 7.0? THANKS a ton in advance, this information is extremely helpful.
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Would also like to see an update to this, really wish we could see it ourselves
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i want to play the damn game. How are people that are not in beta supposed to compete with those in beta...wtf
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