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DragonDefonce
United States790 Posts
On March 03 2010 16:26 TheAntZ wrote: They cant move while shooting, thus they will NEVER be as good as vultures. Yep. You know why? Cause vultures in SC2 would be OP as hell | ||
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skypacer
China174 Posts
I totally disagree with the OP. Compared with their counterpart in SC1, hellion is the most f**cking disappointing unit of starcraft 2. I still remember my first win on Platinum League, where my opponent did a fast hellion drop and all his 4 hellions died to my 6 marines. Yes, his hellions were not upgraded, so their damage output was not that much; his micro may be not good enough, so hellions were not fully used.etc. But when I saw the scene, I'd say f**k! Four vultures with similar micro ability will kill all my marines with even 0 lost. I really don't want to compare vultrue with hellion, for hellion is just sh*t if vulture was out there. Vulture together with its spider mines is an important factor that shape Terran in Starcraft 1, placing vulture amongst his arsenal,Terran - has a distinct way of mirco - has a distinct way to push - has a distinct way of detection - has a distinct way of turtle - has a serial of distinct strategies whose key are vulture micro or spider mines. And Terran gains - stronger ability of detection - stronger ability on map control. - a more rounded and mobile defensive system. - A tons more strategy choices. - bigger chance to win if you got behind. - bigger chance to survive when facing a much larger invading forces. - bigger chance to survive when facing special tactics like dt rush or reaver drop. And the most important thing is, that Terran with vulture is much much more fun! To the whole game of Starcraft, vulture together with its spider mine: - severe punish casually Attack Move, even in late game. - encourage micro no matter you are using vulture or countering them. - encourage more detection no matter you are countering vultures or you are using them. - further distinguish the player's skill level, especially when you are a terran player. Yes, hellions are good when you have a mass of them, or maybe when you have some fancy micro skill in manipulating them, but hellions adds very little to gameplay aspect. They are just something that counter something, and when something countering them arrive, they become scrap. Someone said that "you can not compare vulture with hellions, because they are totally different things". but you should remember that, on the tech tree, the position for vulture is now taken up by hellion ! Someone even said that you cannot compare A of SC2 to B of SC1, but you should note that it is Starcraft 2, the successor of the original starcraft, not CnC5, warcraft 4 or something totally new. I'd admit that I'm way too emotional and My English is as crappy as some firing buggy, but what I say is just something that springs from my heart after 2 years of close follow and a week of beta experience. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
![[image loading]](http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00002NDF5.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) + ![[image loading]](http://www.imfdb.org/images/8/8f/M2_Flamethrower.jpg) = ![[image loading]](http://www.eslaultima.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Hellion.jpg) | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
- sunglasses, great voiceover - can actually see the guy in the bike - mines and grenade launcher whereas, hellion: - looks like a remote controlled 4-wheel drive car with a freaking laser attached to it. Seriously. The unit is boring as fuck. - hellion's role is already compromised by reapers (they have very similar roles -_-) Blizzard, please tell me what you were thinking when you came up with this one? O_O | ||
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tancor
Barbados55 Posts
the hellion voiceover sucks , design sucks (the years of 2500 and pizza car... just fuck) @skypacer +1 | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 03 2010 17:27 T.O.P. wrote: Back when SC1 came out, no one knew how to play rts. But there are so many good rts players nowdays that you can't really hope that new micro techniques will be invented. "No one knew how to play RTS"? Kind of insulting to the early top players of SC coming off of WC2 like Pillars and Tillerman. And the engine works differently. Just because you've played different RTSs before doesn't mean you have any idea how to optimally do things in a new engine. On March 03 2010 17:40 TheAntZ wrote: so...eventually, when players are more skilled, they will micro SO well that they will change how the unit works!?! well hot damn, brb making zealots fly It's not an issue of skill. Its an issue of not having spent enough time with the engine to know how to abuse it (particularly when people making these bold claims about what the Hellion is and isn't capable of aren't even in beta). It took years for people to figure out the subtle differences between Patrol, Attack-Move, and Hold Position. The same commands existed in Warcraft 2, but that doesn't mean they function the same way in terms of their subtleties. Yes, people will probably figure it out faster in Starcraft 2, but that means in weeks or months, not days. And until you understand that, you can't really say what a unit is and isn't capable of. Certainly you can't vulture micro effectively if the only command you're using is attack-move. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On March 04 2010 03:02 skypacer wrote: I hate hellions! I totally disagree with the OP. Compared with their counterpart in SC1, hellion is the most f**cking disappointing unit of starcraft 2. I really don't want to compare vultrue with hellion, You seem to be contradicting yourself here. The Hellion has NO counterpart in sc. It's a new unit. It doesn't "replace" anything. It doesn't even fulfill the same role as a vulture. One might argue that the role of the vulture has no place in sc2 with terran's new mobility. So don't compare the hellion to the vulture, it just doesn't make sense. It's a new unit, with new uses. The vulture is gone. It hasn't been replaced by the hellion, its just gone. The hellion is a new unit, just like the maurader, just like the thor, etc. We really just need to collectively let it go. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Nottoway
United States15 Posts
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mkay
Italy20 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
Fuck off helions, stop harassing my probes >_> You terrans really should learn some more finesse, and not just.. flame your way in. Slammin or not! | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On March 04 2010 00:54 ICanFlyLow wrote: I gotta be honest, the helion is a freaking command and conquer unit. http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/11/10244/thumb_620x2000/Render_Buggy.jpg And so is the banshee! http://starcraft.incgamers.com/gallery/data/517/Banshee1.jpg http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/10/9011/Orca_Large.png Dustin is putting 2 franchises together, im just saying. oO more info plx | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
May the mods have mercy on my soul. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
It is arguably in the top 3 best terran units. If it had more use in TvP it would be #1 no problem. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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tok
United States691 Posts
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