Beta Balance Update #14 - Page 18

On February 15 2013 04:44 MstrJinbo wrote:


M1 Garrand was still widely used in the Korean War and remained in use in the 60s.

On February 15 2013 03:52 Grumbels wrote:

There was a trend of about a month of blue flame hellion use that was unprecedented, Blizzard was reasonably quick in nerfing it.

On February 15 2013 05:12 aksfjh wrote:

There was an MLG where (SlayerS) Terrans used a BFH/marine drop in TvZ. Top Zergs began learning how to defend against it and TvT was still being played either bio or mech, then it was nerfed.

The MLG tournament happened on July 29-31, the PTR was announced sometime around August 25. Less than 1 month before a response. Testing went on about a month before it was applied.

On February 15 2013 02:16 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:


Only because Zerg stick to WoL BOs

On February 15 2013 08:03 TommyP wrote:


thats because essentially nothing of zerg has changed until lair except burrow at hatchery and drones going to the mineral patches automatically.

On February 15 2013 08:28 LingBlingBling wrote:
This is not even a change, hellbats in general are to strong. So now people will have to press a button before attacking?? All people need to do is drop 4 hellions at a location in the players base where they can't been seen and just transform them to 4 hellbats. I don't Know the thought process behind this when david kim/DB made this change.

Won't balance a thing imo.

On February 15 2013 08:33 Qikz wrote:


You realise that the hellion takes 5 seconds to transform right?

If you don't have enough units to kill atleast 3 if not all of them in 5 seconds you're playing greedy and deserve to take damage from hurass.

Also you can run your workers away in that time too.

On February 15 2013 06:06 GinDo wrote:


That was such a sweet GSL. And then Blizzard crapped all over SC2. It seems that everytime Terran makes a build that forces roaches, Blizzard brings out the nerf hammer.

On February 15 2013 14:11 abei1234 wrote:
- This patch has taken a step in the right direction but did not hit the mark and left many people questioning their logic.
- The medivac is the unit that needed to be modified due to its overwhelmingly strong synergy with the hellbat
- Consider my options above on changes to the medivac that say (never tested before) since nearly everything about the hellbat has already been tried in previous patches.

E) Medivac speed boost would require using energy
F) Medivac speed boost researched at Starport Techlab
G) Medivacs unable to drop while speed boosting

On February 15 2013 06:06 GinDo wrote: It seems that everytime Terran makes a build that forces roaches, Blizzard brings out the nerf hammer.

On February 15 2013 14:44 OceanFlex wrote:


I think that F is a step too far. E would be ok, so long as it is a minor amount of energy (<25, but the cool-down would need to be lowered if the energy cost is anything above 10). G makes perfect sense. It is a very "small" change and makes PERFECT sense on the lore side.

On February 15 2013 14:11 abei1234 wrote:
This entire thread is a response to "Hellbat DROPS". Nobody is complaining about hellbats doing sick damage when elsewhere on the battlefield (and yes, they do do sick damage).
Blizzard agreed that hellbat DROPS were too strong, because the combination of hellbats with medivacs is too powerful, so they adjusted the cargo space from 2 to 4.
Reasons for it being too strong:
1) Biological Tag allows them to be healed by medivacs. 2) They do 30 damage to light units. 3) They do conical splash damage. 4) They cost only 100 minerals. 5) Teching to 1/1/1 with Armory is not going to ruin the rest of your build.
6) Anything else I may have left out.

Since this #14 Patch (cargo space), resourceful terrans can ideally work around this limitation simply by making a 2nd medivac out of a reactor to compensate for the increased cargo.
While this "Cargo Space" tag modified a tag on the hellbat unit, what this change actually affects is the MEDIVAC!!! (mind-blown!). Taking a step back, we can see that the MEDIVAC (not the hellbat) is the unit of concern here.

I would like to see 2 polls created on this subject. First poll being:

A) Hellbat drops were perfect, even before this patch.
B) Due to this patch, everything has been fixed.
C) This patch helps, but more changes are needed.
D) This patch changes nothing.

Second poll being: If you responded C or D - what ELSE would you like to see done ?

A) Hellbats unable to be healed by medivac - Bio tag removed. (Beta Balance Patch #3 reversed)
B) Hellion into Hellbat transformation researched at the Armory. (Beta Balance Patch #7 reversed)
C) Hellbats damage reduced from 18 + 12 to light to its previously 10 + 9 to light. (Beta Balance Patch #11 reversed)
D) Hellbats cost increased from mineral only to X amount of gas cost (never tested before)
E) Medivac speed boost would require using energy (never tested before)
F) Medivac speed boost researched at Starport Techlab (never tested before)
G) Medivacs unable to drop while speed boosting (never tested before)
H) Medivac speed boost completely removed from game (Beta Balance Patch #8 reversed)

Now that I have enlightened you, please lets help get the following information back to blizzard:

- This patch has taken a step in the right direction but did not hit the mark and left many people questioning their logic.
- The medivac is the unit that needed to be modified due to its overwhelmingly strong synergy with the hellbat
- Consider my options above on changes to the medivac that say (never tested before) since nearly everything about the hellbat has already been tried in previous patches.

My best recommendation for Blizzard is to implement all 3 options E, F & G.
E) Medivac speed boost would require using energy
F) Medivac speed boost researched at Starport Techlab
G) Medivacs unable to drop while speed boosting

But I will settle for any one of the three.

Please, your responses to my comment will be appreciated as I will check back here since this is a subject close to my heart.
TL;DR: The medivac is the unit that needs a change, due to the synergy it has with the hellbat, not the hellbat itself.

On February 15 2013 16:37 Don.681 wrote:


Dude, you should post this as a separate thread as this will be ignored in this thread when it's no longer in the latest page.

In fact, you should make a thread like this for every problem currently being faced on a per-unit basis. I like how you stated what has been tried and what has never been tried before.

Start a new thread, this is heaps better than the OP of this thread. Its like: "Okay Blizzard just changed the Hellbat, go at it."

So now we got people going at it with no direction.