Beta Balance Update #14 - Page 17

On February 15 2013 02:28 MstrJinbo wrote:


Which new unit would you suggest we use against hellbats drops?

On February 15 2013 02:16 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:


Only because Zerg stick to WoL BOs, such as mass 3/3 ling/infestor into a minefield.
If you get ROFLSTOMPED, you deserved it, no different than Chinese Kung fu sword masters charging a Gatling gun pill box.
Study history my friend, within WW2 alone, the sub machine gun was invented and deployed so successfully US soldiers discarded their Lee Enfield rifles as the soonest opportunity. Calvary became obsolete, massive losses to the nations that fielded them (Marxist Russia), and so on.

In war, innovate or die. Terrans have been embracing their new units, can the same be said for Zerg and Protoss players?

I don't think most people have a problem with them nerfing it so quickly. I think most people's problem with blizzard is their complete lack of inconsistency when it comes to balancing the races.

On February 14 2013 08:49 Prplppleatr wrote:

In blizzard time, this isn't "fast"...it's lightspeed

On February 15 2013 02:27 avilo wrote:
I don't think most people have a problem with them nerfing it so quickly. I think most people's problem with blizzard is their complete lack of inconsistency when it comes to balancing the races.

If Terran ever gets anything good, it's immediately nerfed and Terrans must "figure out how to play."

Whereas you still have shit in the game like oracle freewins, free stalker/zealot/mothership core pokes, and other things that are not equally nerfed like hellbats were.

Hellbat drop nerfed? That's fine, but show some consistency. You cannot just touch Terran's "op shit" and then leave oracles that kill 10 workers in less than 3 seconds alone too.

That is a problem. Z/P's complain loud enough, and Terran is nerfed. Terran complains and it takes over a year for the infestor to even be considered for nerfs lol.

Consistency blizzard is all we ask. You balanced hellbat drops, now do the same goddamn thing to oracles. Having a worker line bursted down or build order win / losses is not fun for any race.

There has been a proven history that if it's Terran it's OP, but if it's Zerg/Protoss the Terran has to "learn to handle it." It's pretty disgusting.

On February 15 2013 02:27 avilo wrote:
I don't think most people have a problem with them nerfing it so quickly. I think most people's problem with blizzard is their complete lack of inconsistency when it comes to balancing the races.

If Terran ever gets anything good, it's immediately nerfed and Terrans must "figure out how to play."

Whereas you still have shit in the game like oracle freewins, free stalker/zealot/mothership core pokes, and other things that are not equally nerfed like hellbats were.

Hellbat drop nerfed? That's fine, but show some consistency. You cannot just touch Terran's "op shit" and then leave oracles that kill 10 workers in less than 3 seconds alone too.

That is a problem. Z/P's complain loud enough, and Terran is nerfed. Terran complains and it takes over a year for the infestor to even be considered for nerfs lol.

Consistency blizzard is all we ask. You balanced hellbat drops, now do the same goddamn thing to oracles. Having a worker line bursted down or build order win / losses is not fun for any race.

There has been a proven history that if it's Terran it's OP, but if it's Zerg/Protoss the Terran has to "learn to handle it." It's pretty disgusting.

On February 15 2013 02:37 Protosnake wrote:
1 year to nerf BFH and bunker
2 year to nerf Snipe

On February 15 2013 02:45 Snusmumriken wrote:


by that logic, 3 years to nerf infested terrans... You cant assume something is overpowered throughout its existence, things that werent overpowered in the beginning may become so after time as the players learn to utilize it in more optimal ways, sometimes in conjunction with a new patch.

On February 15 2013 02:43 Plansix wrote:


That is because Oracles are made of candy glass and the dreams of small children and they explode when a viking looks at them. They are super powerful and might be slightly broken, but they can also be stopped dead with fixed anti air. From everything I have heard and played, the Hellbat drop was far more "unstoppable" for people. Blizzard can only focus on one major issue at a time and this was the one everyone was using and winning with.

At the end of the day, we all have some pretty broken stuff in HotS that needs to be pulled back. But it needs to be pulled back correctly so it is still viable, rather than nerfed into the ground. But, I woudl rather Blizzard address once peice of broken crap at a time.

On February 14 2013 08:42 Musicus wrote:


Yes. So you have a lot more time to react.




Yes.

On February 15 2013 03:01 Protosnake wrote:


Infested terran were the result of an infestor buff mid-wol. Players didnt learn to utlize it, blizzard just buffed it.

Bunkers and multirax opening on the other hand were overpowered and massively used until it got severely nerfed. Which took time. Same for snipe. Same for BFH.

Terran aren't "discriminated" or something, reading that is embarrassing.

On February 15 2013 03:43 SheaR619 wrote:


Your right about the blue flame hellion but not about the snipe. Snipe was nerf rather fast compare to the other stuff. I think MVP first display the power of snipe at GSL Metalopolis where he split map and mass ghost. It only lasted like 2 months then it got nerfed. Blue flame hellion on the other hand did take ages for it to get nerfed.

On February 15 2013 02:16 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:


Only because Zerg stick to WoL BOs, such as mass 3/3 ling/infestor into a minefield.
If you get ROFLSTOMPED, you deserved it, no different than Chinese Kung fu sword masters charging a Gatling gun pill box.
Study history my friend, within WW2 alone, the sub machine gun was invented and deployed so successfully US soldiers discarded their Lee Enfield rifles as the soonest opportunity. Calvary became obsolete, massive losses to the nations that fielded them (Marxist Russia), and so on.

In war, innovate or die. Terrans have been embracing their new units, can the same be said for Zerg and Protoss players?

On February 15 2013 04:36 mynameisgreat11 wrote:



I wouldn't usually post such a snarky comment, but you set yourself up so well by insisting that he 'study history my friend'.

Lee Enfield rifles were British, not US issue. US was the m1 Garand.

Submachine guns were invented in WW1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun

Calvary is a Christian religious site. Cavalry is what you meant, and it was obsolete long before WW2.


If you're going to be a smartass, it helps to make sure that easy checkable facts are correct.

On February 15 2013 04:44 MstrJinbo wrote:


M1 Garrand was still widely used in the Korean War and remained in use in the 60s.