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Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:28 MstrJinbo wrote: Which new unit would you suggest we use against hellbats drops? I think I got it! We rush hive while building a stack of spores. get some vipers and then abduct the hellbat drop into the spores before he can unload! | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:16 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: Only because Zerg stick to WoL BOs, such as mass 3/3 ling/infestor into a minefield. If you get ROFLSTOMPED, you deserved it, no different than Chinese Kung fu sword masters charging a Gatling gun pill box. Study history my friend, within WW2 alone, the sub machine gun was invented and deployed so successfully US soldiers discarded their Lee Enfield rifles as the soonest opportunity. Calvary became obsolete, massive losses to the nations that fielded them (Marxist Russia), and so on. In war, innovate or die. Terrans have been embracing their new units, can the same be said for Zerg and Protoss players? They dont, many people are playing roach/hydra/viper and swarm host build, it's garbage Also, thanks for the history lesson but, it's not the subject ? As I said you cant just throw empty word like "Be more creative!" and expect to be taken seriously. If you have a viable build/comp post it. Or else dont post. I don't think most people have a problem with them nerfing it so quickly. I think most people's problem with blizzard is their complete lack of inconsistency when it comes to balancing the races. 1 year to nerf BFH and bunker 2 year to nerf Snipe | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On February 14 2013 08:49 Prplppleatr wrote: In blizzard time, this isn't "fast"...it's lightspeed I'm not sure if it isn't even "ridiculous speed" | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:27 avilo wrote: I don't think most people have a problem with them nerfing it so quickly. I think most people's problem with blizzard is their complete lack of inconsistency when it comes to balancing the races. If Terran ever gets anything good, it's immediately nerfed and Terrans must "figure out how to play." Whereas you still have shit in the game like oracle freewins, free stalker/zealot/mothership core pokes, and other things that are not equally nerfed like hellbats were. Hellbat drop nerfed? That's fine, but show some consistency. You cannot just touch Terran's "op shit" and then leave oracles that kill 10 workers in less than 3 seconds alone too. That is a problem. Z/P's complain loud enough, and Terran is nerfed. Terran complains and it takes over a year for the infestor to even be considered for nerfs lol. Consistency blizzard is all we ask. You balanced hellbat drops, now do the same goddamn thing to oracles. Having a worker line bursted down or build order win / losses is not fun for any race. There has been a proven history that if it's Terran it's OP, but if it's Zerg/Protoss the Terran has to "learn to handle it." It's pretty disgusting. That is because Oracles are made of candy glass and the dreams of small children and they explode when a viking looks at them. They are super powerful and might be slightly broken, but they can also be stopped dead with fixed anti air. From everything I have heard and played, the Hellbat drop was far more "unstoppable" for people. Blizzard can only focus on one major issue at a time and this was the one everyone was using and winning with. At the end of the day, we all have some pretty broken stuff in HotS that needs to be pulled back. But it needs to be pulled back correctly so it is still viable, rather than nerfed into the ground. But, I woudl rather Blizzard address once peice of broken crap at a time. | ||
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RampancyTW
United States577 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:27 avilo wrote: You're pathetic.I don't think most people have a problem with them nerfing it so quickly. I think most people's problem with blizzard is their complete lack of inconsistency when it comes to balancing the races. If Terran ever gets anything good, it's immediately nerfed and Terrans must "figure out how to play." Whereas you still have shit in the game like oracle freewins, free stalker/zealot/mothership core pokes, and other things that are not equally nerfed like hellbats were. Hellbat drop nerfed? That's fine, but show some consistency. You cannot just touch Terran's "op shit" and then leave oracles that kill 10 workers in less than 3 seconds alone too. That is a problem. Z/P's complain loud enough, and Terran is nerfed. Terran complains and it takes over a year for the infestor to even be considered for nerfs lol. Consistency blizzard is all we ask. You balanced hellbat drops, now do the same goddamn thing to oracles. Having a worker line bursted down or build order win / losses is not fun for any race. There has been a proven history that if it's Terran it's OP, but if it's Zerg/Protoss the Terran has to "learn to handle it." It's pretty disgusting. And the biggest whining about Hellbat drops was in regards to TvT. Now Hellbat drops are still viable and can absolutely do damage/punish an unprepared player, but they won't do fairly rapid game-ending damage. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:37 Protosnake wrote: 1 year to nerf BFH and bunker 2 year to nerf Snipe by that logic, 3 years to nerf infested terrans... You cant assume something is overpowered throughout its existence, things that werent overpowered in the beginning may become so after time as the players learn to utilize it in more optimal ways, sometimes in conjunction with a new patch. | ||
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Bartuk
Austria13 Posts
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:45 Snusmumriken wrote: by that logic, 3 years to nerf infested terrans... You cant assume something is overpowered throughout its existence, things that werent overpowered in the beginning may become so after time as the players learn to utilize it in more optimal ways, sometimes in conjunction with a new patch. Infested terran were the result of an infestor buff mid-wol. Players didnt learn to utlize it, blizzard just buffed it. Bunkers and multirax opening on the other hand were overpowered and massively used until it got severely nerfed. Which took time. Same for snipe. Same for BFH. Terran aren't "discriminated" or something, reading that is embarrassing. | ||
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koOma
Norway462 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
I expect quite a few nerfs 1 month after hots is released. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:43 Plansix wrote: That is because Oracles are made of candy glass and the dreams of small children and they explode when a viking looks at them. They are super powerful and might be slightly broken, but they can also be stopped dead with fixed anti air. From everything I have heard and played, the Hellbat drop was far more "unstoppable" for people. Blizzard can only focus on one major issue at a time and this was the one everyone was using and winning with. At the end of the day, we all have some pretty broken stuff in HotS that needs to be pulled back. But it needs to be pulled back correctly so it is still viable, rather than nerfed into the ground. But, I woudl rather Blizzard address once peice of broken crap at a time. The funniest thing is that after the update #13, Widow Mines one-shot Oracles again. Unit that is 75/25/2 one-shots unit that is 150/150/3, without you even losing it. And they can't wait for Oracle to have energy for Envision, or for the Observer, so it is a gamble for them to attack your workers. And after that, you can have like 1-2 Missile Turrets per base anyway, and Oracles can't do a thing if there aren't 3+ of them. But hey, that is Avilo, not like that I expected anything different from him. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On February 14 2013 08:42 Musicus wrote: Yes. So you have a lot more time to react. Yes. Wow. Horrible design. They should have done the change for both Hellbats and Hellions. As an aside, they should have changed it to 3 instead of 4 as well. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On February 15 2013 03:01 Protosnake wrote: Infested terran were the result of an infestor buff mid-wol. Players didnt learn to utlize it, blizzard just buffed it. Bunkers and multirax opening on the other hand were overpowered and massively used until it got severely nerfed. Which took time. Same for snipe. Same for BFH. Terran aren't "discriminated" or something, reading that is embarrassing. Your right about the blue flame hellion but not about the snipe. Snipe was nerf rather fast compare to the other stuff. I think MVP first display the power of snipe at GSL Metalopolis where he split map and mass ghost. It only lasted like 2 months then it got nerfed. Blue flame hellion on the other hand did take ages for it to get nerfed. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On February 15 2013 03:43 SheaR619 wrote: Your right about the blue flame hellion but not about the snipe. Snipe was nerf rather fast compare to the other stuff. I think MVP first display the power of snipe at GSL Metalopolis where he split map and mass ghost. It only lasted like 2 months then it got nerfed. Blue flame hellion on the other hand did take ages for it to get nerfed. There was a trend of about a month of blue flame hellion use that was unprecedented, Blizzard was reasonably quick in nerfing it. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
 It enjoyed hellbat drops. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:16 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: Only because Zerg stick to WoL BOs, such as mass 3/3 ling/infestor into a minefield. If you get ROFLSTOMPED, you deserved it, no different than Chinese Kung fu sword masters charging a Gatling gun pill box. Study history my friend, within WW2 alone, the sub machine gun was invented and deployed so successfully US soldiers discarded their Lee Enfield rifles as the soonest opportunity. Calvary became obsolete, massive losses to the nations that fielded them (Marxist Russia), and so on. In war, innovate or die. Terrans have been embracing their new units, can the same be said for Zerg and Protoss players? I wouldn't usually post such a snarky comment, but you set yourself up so well by insisting that he 'study history my friend'. Lee Enfield rifles were British, not US issue. US was the m1 Garand. Submachine guns were invented in WW1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun Calvary is a Christian religious site. Cavalry is what you meant, and it was obsolete long before WW2. If you're going to be a smartass, it helps to make sure that easy checkable facts are correct. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On February 15 2013 04:36 mynameisgreat11 wrote: I wouldn't usually post such a snarky comment, but you set yourself up so well by insisting that he 'study history my friend'. Lee Enfield rifles were British, not US issue. US was the m1 Garand. Submachine guns were invented in WW1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submachine_gun Calvary is a Christian religious site. Cavalry is what you meant, and it was obsolete long before WW2. If you're going to be a smartass, it helps to make sure that easy checkable facts are correct. M1 Garrand was still widely used in the Korean War and remained in use in the 60s. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
On February 15 2013 04:44 MstrJinbo wrote: M1 Garrand was still widely used in the Korean War and remained in use in the 60s. Yup. Still not the Enfield this guy talks about. | ||
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