Beta Balance Update #14 - Page 16

On February 15 2013 01:19 Qikz wrote:


It's the same, but a) it will require even more investment and b) it'll come later.

You nerf it's damage, then all that'll happen is they'll lose all usability in TvP or even TvZ apart from against zerglings or zealots, they already get owned pretty hard by AOE.

On February 15 2013 01:09 Saumure wrote:

So everyone loosing to hell bat drops does not sound boring to you? You can still go for the drop, but you will not get an instant win out of it. Is that so bad? Besides, hell bat drop ist just like dropping helions on lined up workers. Just a little too strong.


No tank / HSM ? Doesn't that give you more opportunities and makes the game less boring?

Stop complaining just for the purpose of complaining... HotS is gonna be AWESOME!

On February 15 2013 01:31 Serimek wrote:
Will be interesting to see if players start to do 4 hellions-drops into hellbats carnage or choose to do 4 hellions drops or 2 hellbats drops...

On February 15 2013 01:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:


Remember the good old times when a single EMP removed all the shields and energy from an entire protoss army. What are you supposed to do except whine.
Sometimes it's fairly obvious if things are broken

On February 15 2013 01:24 NightOfTheDead wrote:


Problem isnt the damage. Problem is the cost. There should be an upgrade with heavy gas cost in it for this to be fair, even if it fast upgrade like 20 sec. Or the additional cost to transform similar as banelings.

On February 15 2013 01:42 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:



Looks like blizzard is against upgrades, seeing how they removed the research upgrade for HSM, siege mode or hallucination in HotS. On top of that, the new casters, like MSC, Oracle or Viper all spawn with 3 abilities available :/ I really would like to hear the reasoning behind that, because I really hate that idea.

On February 15 2013 01:40 c0sm0naut wrote:


Sometimes, it's not so obvious. Like marauders being "so op they counter all protoss ground units" (paraphrased whine circa 2010). Meanwhile, professional and amateur protoss alike scratch their heads and warp in only stalkers. Now, even though the majority of the community at that point in time would have said, yes marauders are slightly too strong against protoss with concussive shells, they are not made in stupid numbers anymore and you can lose battles to chargelot/anything simply by having too many marauders

But sometimes it is obvious, you're right. Like when the winrates show protoss lagging bbehind for most of early Sc2, or infestors being too strong, in almost every game and inflating zerg to 60%+ in korea for over a year. they were, and were nerfed. Rightly so, but it took a while. The battle hellion has been out in it's current form for like one month tops, and the whine has already gotten it nerfed. There isn't even a developed pro scene to base these changes on, nothing but ridiculous whine. Keep pretending like every race is treated fairly, becuase that is what you have to do to actually have this conclusion about blizzard. They do not kneejerk nerf any race except terran, that is only my point. And that this build was easy/didnt even need to be changed, players just have to start positioning correctly and not playing so "greedy."

really i have no idea how people can still think that punishing terran for imbalances they didn't intend to abuse in 2010 can be relevant to balance decision making in a beta phase for a game in 2013, but hey it's the internet. People can use retarded logic, but as long as they rabblerabblerabble together, blizzard has to consider it. now we have had multiple retarded patches in a row, and everyone loves it because they no longer have to deviate from their 1rax/1gate/15h FE builds, where they immediately go for double upgrades and produce no units build

edit: please tell me, what is so obvious about this change that it had to be done?
8 min:30 seconds, you have 1 medivac, and 4 units with 125(?) hp, with 2 range, that are slower than all your units?

On February 15 2013 01:40 c0sm0naut wrote:


Sometimes, it's not so obvious. Like marauders being "so op they counter all protoss ground units" (paraphrased whine circa 2010). Meanwhile, professional and amateur protoss alike scratch their heads and warp in only stalkers. Now, even though the majority of the community at that point in time would have said, yes marauders are slightly too strong against protoss with concussive shells, they are not made in stupid numbers anymore and you can lose battles to chargelot/anything simply by having too many marauders

But sometimes it is obvious, you're right. Like when the winrates show protoss lagging bbehind for most of early Sc2, or infestors being too strong, in almost every game and inflating zerg to 60%+ in korea for over a year. they were, and were nerfed. Rightly so, but it took a while. The battle hellion has been out in it's current form for like one month tops, and the whine has already gotten it nerfed. There isn't even a developed pro scene to base these changes on, nothing but ridiculous whine. Keep pretending like every race is treated fairly, becuase that is what you have to do to actually have this conclusion about blizzard. They do not kneejerk nerf any race except terran, that is only my point. And that this build was easy/didnt even need to be changed, players just have to start positioning correctly and not playing so "greedy."

really i have no idea how people can still think that punishing terran for imbalances they didn't intend to abuse in 2010 can be relevant to balance decision making in a beta phase for a game in 2013, but hey it's the internet. People can use retarded logic, but as long as they rabblerabblerabble together, blizzard has to consider it. now we have had multiple retarded patches in a row, and everyone loves it because they no longer have to deviate from their 1rax/1gate/15h FE builds, where they immediately go for double upgrades and produce no units build

edit: please tell me, what is so obvious about this change that it had to be done?
8 min:30 seconds, you have 1 medivac, and 4 units with 125(?) hp, with 2 range, that are slower than all your units?

On February 15 2013 01:20 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
Terran is starting to become the skinny kid who fought off a bully and his gang and got suspended for self-defense...
GG Zerg and Protoss your whin... Er "prayers" to the nerf gods have been answered.

On February 15 2013 01:40 c0sm0naut wrote:
edit: please tell me, what is so obvious about this change that it had to be done?
8 min:30 seconds, you have 1 medivac, and 4 units with 125(?) hp, with 2 range, that are slower than all your units?

On February 15 2013 01:22 HeeroFX wrote:
I don't see how this changes things. If you can put 4 helions in and drop them and transform. I am assuming this is just hellbat only. With booster rockets you fly in drop em in you will get worker kills still aand once you transform they still are hellbats. Don't get me wrong as a Terran i like this beefy unit. But I still think protoss needs to be adjusted. Game won't be ready in march thats for sure lol.

On February 15 2013 02:05 Protosnake wrote:


It's still the most OP race on Hots, you're embarrassing yourself

On February 15 2013 02:09 JDub wrote:

1-base hellbat drop openings could hit at 6:30-6:45. At 7:15-7:30 you can have 2 medivacs with 8 units with 125 hp, 2 range, and that can be transported and dropped right on top of enemy units using medivac speed.

Hellbats weren't the obvious problem, and medivac speed wasn't an obvious problem, but the combination of hellbats + medivac speed were an obvious problem. That's what Blizzard nerfed.

On February 15 2013 02:16 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:


Only because Zerg stick to WoL BOs, such as mass 3/3 ling/infestor into a minefield.
If you get ROFLSTOMPED, you deserved it, no different than Chinese Kung fu sword masters charging a Gatling gun pill box.
Study history my friend, within WW2 alone, the sub machine gun was invented and deployed so successfully US soldiers discarded their Lee Enfield rifles as the soonest opportunity. Calvary became obsolete, massive losses to the nations that fielded them (Marxist Russia), and so on.

In war, innovate or die. Terrans have been embracing their new units, can the same be said for Zerg and Protoss players?