EPTAs mentioned, blizz should give hydras the +1 range by default and leave the speed upgrade as is. Either that or change the range upgrade to allow hydras to attack two units at once HAHA
[D] Hydra upgrade order discussion - Page 2
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Grae
Australia7 Posts
As mentioned, blizz should give hydras the +1 range by default and leave the speed upgrade as is. Either that or change the range upgrade to allow hydras to attack two units at once HAHA | ||
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ailouros
United States193 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 11 2013 07:58 FeyFey wrote: Since you can get offensive Speed at any hatch. Range of course alongside with Overlord Speed. The speed upgrade is just for lazy people. But about the discussion of multiple upgrades for a unit. With the Ultra not being a techswitch unit anymore, they can actually bring back the speed upgrade on them again. But I guess Hydra speed can be interesting to surprise your opponent with a quick attack. Not exactly fair. Speed is most important for retreating, not attacking. It's easy enough to time attacks. its the "oh crap!" then need to retreat that speed is needed. It makes it so that a Hydralisk attack is not automatically an all in. It's not because Hydralisks are slow (they have standard speed), but all standard units have speed upgrades that allow them to run faster than normal speed. Between Stim, tanks, Stalkers, Forcefields, etc... standard speed units just can't retreat. | ||
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NeWnAr
Singapore231 Posts
On January 11 2013 08:40 Thieving Magpie wrote: Not exactly fair. Speed is most important for retreating, not attacking. It's easy enough to time attacks. its the "oh crap!" then need to retreat that speed is needed. It makes it so that a Hydralisk attack is not automatically an all in. It's not because Hydralisks are slow (they have standard speed), but all standard units have speed upgrades that allow them to run faster than normal speed. Between Stim, tanks, Stalkers, Forcefields, etc... standard speed units just can't retreat. This. I don't see the logic of those who say range first. If range first, then why the hell aren't you using Hydras in WoL??? Hydras are almost an abandoned unit in WoL. If you say range first, that means hydras with upgraded range must be good for at least SOME parts of the game. But the fact is that 6 range Slowdras still completely suck against almost all SC2 army compos by the time you get them. | ||
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TheAppetizer
United States146 Posts
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
 ).I get speed first with ling hydra and range first with roach hydra. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On January 11 2013 09:05 NeWnAr wrote: This. I don't see the logic of those who say range first. If range first, then why the hell aren't you using Hydras in WoL??? Hydras are almost an abandoned unit in WoL. If you say range first, that means hydras with upgraded range must be good for at least SOME parts of the game. But the fact is that 6 range Slowdras still completely suck against almost all SC2 army compos by the time you get them. range 5 can be a bit quirky in engagements with roaches because of the size of the roach and how fast front line enemy units melt, you end up having hydras running around your roach line trying to find a space to shoot from. but more important at this stage in the game, you will not have near enough hydras to be effective, especially if you dump that gas into speed. so in this respect i always go for range first to give my limited hydra numbers that needed punch if you are caught against a timing. | ||
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FS_SlimJim
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ZjiublingZ
United Arab Emirates439 Posts
So really the answer is: Are you going to be defending with your Hydralisks, wherein the speed upgrade is going to do literally nothing for you? Then range first. Or do you need the ability to attack with them as soon as possible? Then speed first. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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Lemminkainen
Belgium20 Posts
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ETisME
12702 Posts
I am not sure though, +1 range makes it better against protoss FFs | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
If you only have WOL, try stutter stepping with hydras on, then off creep, you will see how it feels. | ||
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
On January 11 2013 13:59 Lemminkainen wrote: I'm not sure. But one thing we wshould want to consider, when it's late game and you have 90+ drones and want to add some hydras to your army, go double den, since the building is cheap and you don't want to wait 80 or 110 seconds for another upgrade to have stronger hydras. The other option of going double den is when Leenock or other zerg players get double roach warren to get the tech early and hit with a timing attack. | ||
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
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NeWnAr
Singapore231 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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doggy
Germany306 Posts
If you scout some greedyness/weakness of your opponent you can go for dbl hydra and dbl upgrades and go for the kill. Its only worth to do it if you can say for sure it works. I dont like the idea to put on pressure with speed but without the rangeupgrade. Speed only helps you when you want to go on the opponents side of the map, and even for that, range is a must have! | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 11 2013 18:47 doggy wrote: Range is far more important. That is what makes the units really cost efficient. On Creep you dont need the speedupgrade anyways, and by the time hydras are out, you should have had more than enough time to cover your half of the map in creep. If you scout some greedyness/weakness of your opponent you can go for dbl hydra and dbl upgrades and go for the kill. Its only worth to do it if you can say for sure it works. I dont like the idea to put on pressure with speed but without the rangeupgrade. Speed only helps you when you want to go on the opponents side of the map, and even for that, range is a must have! Sorry, but this is just false. Range is not more important, and how do you know that he can cover half of the map with the creep? That, after all, depends on the skill level. In some situations speed is superior, and range is in other. If your pressure fail with the speed upgrade, you can retreat, if it fails with the range upgrade, your army of Hydras is good as dead. I have the feeling that people that say "Range is always better" haven't played enough with the speed first. Also, I agree with people that think you shouldn't push without both upgrades anyway, except in some rare timings. | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
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