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Beta Balance Update #11 (Jan 9, 2013) - Page 23

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 10 2013 00:45 GMT
#441
On January 10 2013 09:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 09:29 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On January 10 2013 09:24 TimENT wrote:
1. Stop this hellbat nonsense. Boring unit that sucks v everything P that isn't a Zealot
2. Give Siege Tanks an upgrade that makes their shells do extra damage to P shields.

It won't ruin early game TvP like your stupid removal of research for Siege tech AND it won't affect TvZ or TvT at all, where the siege tank shines.

Wake up. Mech is awesome because of the siege tank, the siege tank just sucks massive balls vs P.


18 base damage in hellbat mode is pretty good...


It deals 1.6 less dps than a roach.


Roachs are pretty good, ask any protoss. We hate them with the fire of a nova.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
January 10 2013 00:45 GMT
#442
On January 10 2013 09:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 09:29 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On January 10 2013 09:24 TimENT wrote:
1. Stop this hellbat nonsense. Boring unit that sucks v everything P that isn't a Zealot
2. Give Siege Tanks an upgrade that makes their shells do extra damage to P shields.

It won't ruin early game TvP like your stupid removal of research for Siege tech AND it won't affect TvZ or TvT at all, where the siege tank shines.

Wake up. Mech is awesome because of the siege tank, the siege tank just sucks massive balls vs P.


18 base damage in hellbat mode is pretty good...


It deals 1.6 less dps than a roach.


That's about right though. Similar supply, similar costs, similar tech.
brutality
Profile Joined August 2010
United States167 Posts
January 10 2013 00:47 GMT
#443
I don't think toss needs to worry about the faster 1 1 1 with siege because of the planetary nexus. Better range and good damage
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
January 10 2013 00:48 GMT
#444
I just wish Blizzard would try removing the smart AI from tanks and buffing their damage somewhat. The thing that ruined the siege tank was the AI. Who has ever thought that researching Siege mode was a problem within the game? This will only cause more timing attacks.
Spaceboy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom220 Posts
January 10 2013 00:48 GMT
#445
I get the feeling that blizzard is kinda flailing around with out much of a guiding design philosophy. My one hope is that they flail harder and harder until eventually they actually resort to doing what the game needs and add some scalability to the economic system. I'm not optimistic, but crazier stuff has happened so who knows :D
I am terrible at this game!
NeWnAr
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore231 Posts
January 10 2013 00:49 GMT
#446
Reapers are now Terran ranged Zerglings???
Live For the Swarm!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#447
On January 10 2013 09:49 NeWnAr wrote:
Reapers are now Terran ranged Zerglings???

That cost gas and is powered by rockets.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
January 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#448
On January 10 2013 09:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 09:29 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On January 10 2013 09:24 TimENT wrote:
1. Stop this hellbat nonsense. Boring unit that sucks v everything P that isn't a Zealot
2. Give Siege Tanks an upgrade that makes their shells do extra damage to P shields.

It won't ruin early game TvP like your stupid removal of research for Siege tech AND it won't affect TvZ or TvT at all, where the siege tank shines.

Wake up. Mech is awesome because of the siege tank, the siege tank just sucks massive balls vs P.


18 base damage in hellbat mode is pretty good...


It deals 1.6 less dps than a roach.

It also costs zero gas.
vibeo gane,
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
January 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#449
LoL TvT


User was warned for this post
syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 00:51:40
January 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#450
On January 10 2013 09:47 brutality wrote:
I don't think toss needs to worry about the faster 1 1 1 with siege because of the planetary nexus. Better range and good damage


Yeah people still reasonning from the WoL perspective. 1 1 1 was already dead, shut down by PF nexus. It wont change anything imo.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 10 2013 00:51 GMT
#451
On January 10 2013 09:48 labbe wrote:
I just wish Blizzard would try removing the smart AI from tanks and buffing their damage somewhat. The thing that ruined the siege tank was the AI. Who has ever thought that researching Siege mode was a problem within the game? This will only cause more timing attacks.


I thought we liked timing attacks? Do we dislike them now?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
January 10 2013 00:52 GMT
#452
rofl, TVT is ridiculous O_O This made the game almost entirely different for every terran matchup!
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
January 10 2013 00:52 GMT
#453
On January 10 2013 09:45 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 09:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On January 10 2013 09:29 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On January 10 2013 09:24 TimENT wrote:
1. Stop this hellbat nonsense. Boring unit that sucks v everything P that isn't a Zealot
2. Give Siege Tanks an upgrade that makes their shells do extra damage to P shields.

It won't ruin early game TvP like your stupid removal of research for Siege tech AND it won't affect TvZ or TvT at all, where the siege tank shines.

Wake up. Mech is awesome because of the siege tank, the siege tank just sucks massive balls vs P.


18 base damage in hellbat mode is pretty good...


It deals 1.6 less dps than a roach.


That's about right though. Similar supply, similar costs, similar tech.

Very different production mechanic though.
schwarzer
Profile Joined October 2012
Argentina25 Posts
January 10 2013 00:53 GMT
#454
I really dislike this patch. As zerg player, it's really discouraging to see nothing has changed (except for a tooltip and another infestor nerf), considering how many problems zerg has in the beta (for example: swarm hosts as all-in unit only, lack of AA since infestor nerf, widow mines heavely shut down early agression and muta harass).

And for the other changes, I don't really know what to think. It doesn't look very well...
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
January 10 2013 00:54 GMT
#455
Blizzard again dumbing down the game... Soon we will have no upgrades in a game, and 1-1-1 all over again... Jesus they havent learned ANYTHING.
syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 00:55:46
January 10 2013 00:54 GMT
#456
On January 10 2013 09:50 Godwrath wrote:
LoL TvT


I dont know why. Early siege tank is both good for attack (timing push) and defense (fe). And reaper are harmless now. Back on WoL.
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 01:00:31
January 10 2013 00:55 GMT
#457
Btw, why are people being so negative about TvT all of a sudden. You guys realize that marines trade SO much better with Reapers now than they did a patch before (7.3 DPS from Reapers to 7 DPS from marines respectively). You're going to need
to micro so damn hard to overcome the defensive advantage of a player pumping out marines 33% faster than you are Reapers.

A group of Reapers is basically a squad of unstimmed marines moving at 3.75 speed now with their own personal medivacs. Will change a lot early game, not so useful lategame. It's nice that Reapers can look after themselves now though.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
January 10 2013 00:56 GMT
#458
the fuck? loll. blizzard pulls a fast one once again. Though im going to reserve any further judgement until i get a few games in first.
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
January 10 2013 00:58 GMT
#459
http://twitter.com/DustinBrowder/statuses/289173890293432321

Beta is up. Gogogogo!
This Week in SC2Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 01:00:41
January 10 2013 00:58 GMT
#460
I like the Seeker Missile buff, not even gonna comment on anything else....
Or hell i can't stop myself.
Really blizzard, removing siege tech upgrade is your solution to try and fix mech? You really are clueless.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
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