EPTBeta Balance Update #11 (Jan 9, 2013) - Page 21
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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Vore210
Ireland256 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:14 Consummate wrote: I don't know why so many people think the Reaper changes were a buff. They got their damage nerfed so marines can deal with them far more easily, and more importantly - unless I am misreading something, they no longer have cliff vision any more. This is a huge deal because marines camping cliffs means a lot of dead reapers. Also means reapers can't kite to a cliff and shoot them where SCVs can't hit them. Thinking proxy reapers is going to be a huge deal is a huge joke. Proxy reapers that do 8 damage(4x2) per shot at their old fire rate. I am sure that will work great against two marines. Or zerglings! It would only take 6 shots per zergling, so you would need to kite them...forever. | ||
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Herect
Brazil216 Posts
But the problem in the late game is essentialy unadressed. But, well, Terran Players couldn't even get there before. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:15 baldgye wrote: How many insane buffs does mech need before blizzard are happy that terrans arnt just by default going bio??? This patch screams to me a more insane 111push, and why in the love of god have mutas not been put back?? Hots started with blizz saying mutas are too strong zvp... And now they can tank storms they are ok??? This patch makes me confused... REALLY confused, what are they hoping to achieve? Good terrans that knew how to play where already going mech because its totally broken and unstoppable if done right in both tvz and tvp... literally nothing that you just wrote even made sense | ||
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TheAppetizer
United States146 Posts
Siege tank changes will help against zerg all-ins, but I do think their attack damage should be buffed. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:15 baldgye wrote: How many insane buffs does mech need before blizzard are happy that terrans arnt just by default going bio??? This patch screams to me a more insane 111push, and why in the love of god have mutas not been put back?? Hots started with blizz saying mutas are too strong zvp... And now they can tank storms they are ok??? This patch makes me confused... REALLY confused, what are they hoping to achieve? Good terrans that knew how to play where already going mech because its totally broken and unstoppable if done right in both tvz and tvp... I cannot wait to see this new HSM in action, doing more damage than storm with a 5 Blizzard seconds cook up time, at 10 range. | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:15 baldgye wrote: This patch makes me confused... REALLY confused, what are they hoping to achieve? Good terrans that knew how to play where already going mech because its totally broken and unstoppable if done right in both tvz and tvp... Hahaha, what good terrans are winning TvP with mech? | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:17 Aveng3r wrote: literally nothing that you just wrote even made sense How so? | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:18 Plansix wrote: I cannot wait to see this new HSM in action, doing more damage than storm with a 5 Blizzard seconds cook up time, at 10 range. I think most battles are over in 5 seconds... Lol... Will be interesting to see, I agree... | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
This is going to be hell for everyone v T early game | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
The siege tank mode, wtf ? | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:14 Millet wrote: I realized this also shortly after posting. I retract that statement and agree with you fully. I don't think "hidden economic adventages planted there by Blizz genies" is anything we have to look for. They stated "we are addressing TvP mech" They removed siege tank research. Does that change anything in the equation where Immortal >> Factory? No. So all it does is that it encourages 1 base play, and that T players are gonna be laughed at if they are not siegeing at 6 minutes up at enemy nat with proxy reactored raxes giving birth to unlimited reapers. It's like we are back at WoL beta again. | ||
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EssenceSC
United Kingdom29 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
The Tank "buff" is a joke, just that. It helps for defense but in a very boring way. Takes decisions and suspense away from the game. The Raven change sound great. Although, will the targeted unit light up red still? Over all, Tanks still suck and so will mech in TvP. I hope they can do better then this, sigh... | ||
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
2. Give Siege Tanks an upgrade that makes their shells do extra damage to P shields. It won't ruin early game TvP like your stupid removal of research for Siege tech AND it won't affect TvZ or TvT at all, where the siege tank shines. Wake up. Mech is awesome because of the siege tank, the siege tank just sucks massive balls vs P. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Ok so reapers get available earlier but their damage is rediculously bad?? Seems like they might as well remove it from the game again... How can david kim not understand that the only way to make reapers something else than an early game gimmick is to give them an upgrade for LATER in the game.. Just keep them on tech lab, nerf them just a little bit and give them a lategame upgrade on ghost academy for example to give them a use at that phase.. Now they are just nerfed to oblivion again if they can't even beat marines or anything anymore.. Battlehellion change is hard to gauge, much more damage but lower range is hard to gauge. I guess this could make them better against zealots which they face at melee range and are low in number but makes them potentially worse against hydra's and lings for which they'd need more range. Medivac upgrade gone feels silly, I actually think it was alright since it was so hard to get anyway.. But doesn't matter too much. Siege tank change is rediculously stupid. Slightly easier to open mech in TvP but tanks will suck there. At the same time tanks become a fantastic opener in TvZ and TvT now.. I foresee many extremely greedy 3 base openers against zerg with this.. Just open like bomber did today with CC-rax (walloff) - CC and then go quick factory while walling off your front. One or two quick tanks stop any quick pushes.. Strong mech timings only come up as well since hellbats nor tanks hardly require upgrades anymore, blue flame is only good for hellions anyway.. One of the most stupid ways ever, exactly what I feared would happen: useless change for TvP, screws over other matchups a lot by buffing mech too much there. They have this silly idea that mixing all sorts of combinations should be possible, why? I like the distinctive styles of bio and mech and would hate to see matchups where you mix a bit of everything all the time.. Raven change is alright I guess but 5!! seconds waiting time? Makes it too much of a broodlord and siege tank answer only imo. I like the idea of seeker missiles against muta's with the old targeting you could outrun. Protoss changes are alright, free detection of the MsC was too good really. MsC is really dull though now, a bit faster with less damage or something so it would actually enable that harass it's ment for would be great. | ||
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syroz
France249 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:15 baldgye wrote: This patch makes me confused... REALLY confused, what are they hoping to achieve? Good terrans that knew how to play where already going mech because its totally broken and unstoppable if done right in both tvz and tvp... LoL. Mech is weaker in every match up than in WoL. I am not sure this patch will change a bit about that. Hydra/raoch/viper ball or usual protoss stuff (+air) are still largely better than pure mech imo. Siege upgrade dont change anything, but let's see how the new hellbat works | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:18 NKexquisite wrote: Hahaha, what good terrans are winning TvP with mech? Or tvz lol. I think i'm like 60-4 facing mech. 4 loses, the 60 might be exaggerated but I know I have lost to mech only 4 times, I can name the players who I lost to and why I lost. So easy to beat zvt. | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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