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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On January 10 2013 08:36 pure.Wasted wrote: Doesn't this just leave Medivacs with more energy for Feedback? I mean, obviously having more energy will be useful in some cases, but this seems like a hugely double-edged sword you're paying for. This does not change Medivacs vulnerability to Feedback. | ||
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Millet
Sweden143 Posts
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:07 Nepgear wrote: <insert pessimistic opinions about blizzard's way of balancing hots here> <insert threats of not buying hots here> <insert adjectives that is synonymous to stupid here> <insert sigh here> It's like I'm in bnet forums! You missed one: <insert various assertions about design flaws in HoTS and Blizzard not getting it here> | ||
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t3rm1nal
Italy37 Posts
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MythZero
Korea (South)102 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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KovuTalli
United Kingdom325 Posts
Fungal? eh, well at least it won't melt marauders now too. | ||
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MezmorizedHD
8 Posts
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Really. It's madness. I'm mad. I'm in rage, actually. It's hard to keep my calm. Why? What? Really? Things still not happening: - fungal rooting gone, and replaced with a slow - Swarm host, MOBA free unit concept gone - MSC/MS hero unit whatever bs gone - reaper passive health regen, which is part of Zerg identity, and makes me schizophrenic, and suicidal etc, fits lore in no way whatsoever gone - Thor reworked into a fast, less clunky unit - Widow Mine reworked so that it's _MAX._ ,5 supply - Colossus reworked, because, well, you know - Siege tank damage raised + things we will never see: Oracle made into a meaningful unit "Boring" (in reality means "actually helpful, supporting) spells which either temp buff own army, or temp nerf / disable enemy in some way. NOT terrain, NOT evaporating all of them, NOT leaving the units out free to harm. (Once again) it is the worst patch ever. But, I'll definitely tune in to see how many times pros go siege tank reactored reaper proxies. It might result in some funny games. If there is a small ray of hope, then it is only that some hotfix comes in a day, or two. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:01 Aveng3r wrote: my thoughts exactly, idk what the hell this patch is going to do to the game. Its getting a little alarming at this point, they seem to not have any idea what to do and we are rapidly approaching the release date. Let me explain to you: they are trying to make mech openers more viable in all match-ups. If those openers prove to be viable, they can move on to fine-tuning mech in the late game. The biggest problem with mech right now is getting owned in the early game, be it against roaches or blink stalkers or whatever. Medivacs are nerfed to encourage people to try mech-based play instead of massing bio. They are trying to move reapers away from a rush/surprise unit to an unit that can be utilized for scouting throughout the game. You can keep making them even if you went scout rax and landed it somewhere. The protoss changes are largely reactionary to terran, they can no longer get easy detection to mitigate mines. Zerg also, fungal no longer counters mech as hard. | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:09 Millet wrote: While this is true, the reason the queen buff was so good is that zerg could spend all their larvae on drones, which is an accelerating issue, more drones early means more drones later. This can not be said about the siege tech. You are not going to have any more command centers or scvs because of the removal of a 100/100 upgrade. You can get slightly faster upgrades, or add another factory of course, but none of these are accelerating. They basically only took away a one time investment. This being said, there might be some impacts that we can not see yet. We will have to wait and see how it does. What? You can feel safer to go an early third command center and by extension have more scvs. That's how Terran macros up. Of course this could impact economy. Also with the 100/100 you can get another factory out earlier, which means you'll have more production earlier, etc. All of these things are "accelerations" from the norm. Nevertheless it is too early to tell if that's how it will play out. I'm hoping it will because I want to see more mech in tvp. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:09 The_Darkness wrote: You missed one: <insert various assertions about design flaws in HoTS and Blizzard not getting it here> Also <insert claims that x unit will not longer be effective because of A, B and C reasons> <Ignore nerfs to other races and only focus on how they change units in your race and claim all changes are bad> | ||
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Consummate
Australia191 Posts
They got their damage nerfed so marines can deal with them far more easily, and more importantly - unless I am misreading something, they no longer have cliff vision any more. This is a huge deal because marines camping cliffs means a lot of dead reapers. Also means reapers can't kite to a cliff and shoot them where SCVs can't hit them. Thinking proxy reapers is going to be a huge deal is a huge joke. | ||
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Millet
Sweden143 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:13 The_Darkness wrote: What? You can feel safer to go an early third command center and by extension have more scvs. That's how Terran macros up. Of course this could impact economy. Also with the 100/100 you can get another factory out earlier, which means you'll have more production earlier, etc. All of these things are "accelerations" from the norm. Nevertheless it is too early to tell if that's how it will play out. I'm hoping it will because I want to see more mech in tvp. I realized this also shortly after posting. I retract that statement and agree with you fully. | ||
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:09 Prog455 wrote: This does not change Medivacs vulnerability to Feedback. The problem is we seem to have no idea how the upgrade works right now, because the patch notes aren't all that clear. Either it's reverted completely to WoL, in which case Terran has absolutely nothing to look forward to in the late-game, the only place they had genuine problems... Or it still buffs something. The only thing I can think of it buffing is how much energy is spent whilst healing... which would leave Medivacs with more energy over-all, which would leave them vulnerable to Feedback, yes? | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
Wait, no... I really like seeing them try to make it useful I hope this wasn't their idea of making mech viable in TvP because I see nothing that will impact that whatsoever. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
This patch screams to me a more insane 111push, and why in the love of god have mutas not been put back?? Hots started with blizz saying mutas are too strong zvp... And now they can tank storms they are ok??? This patch makes me confused... REALLY confused, what are they hoping to achieve? Good terrans that knew how to play where already going mech because its totally broken and unstoppable if done right in both tvz and tvp... | ||
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