• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:41
CET 02:41
KST 10:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice6Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
Vitality disbanding their sc2-team How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 Flash's ASL S21 & Future Plans Announcement BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
PC Games Sales Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2512 users

Beta Balance Update #11 (Jan 9, 2013)

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
1054 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 51 52 53 Next
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 02:24:47
January 09 2013 22:13 GMT
#1
Terran

Barracks
Train Reaper no longer requires a Tech Lab Addon.
Hellbat
Attack speed changed from 1.9 to 2.The Infernal Pre-Igniter upgrade no longer increases Hellbat weapon damage.Napalm Spray weapon damage increased from 10 +9 vs. light to 18 +12 vs. light.Splash damage radius decreased from 110 to 45.
Medivac
Caduceus ReactorNo longer improves the healing rate of Medivacs.Upgrade cost decreased from 150/150 and 110 seconds to 100/100 and 80 seconds.Emergency Thrusters ability renamed Ignite Afterburners
Raven
Seeker missile Energy cost decreased from 125 to 75.Primary target damage reverted from 300 to 100.Seeker Missile once again deals splash damage.The delay time prior to firing has been increased from 3 to 5 seconds.
Reaper
The Battlefield Awareness passive ability has been removed from the game.Movement speed increased from 3.38 to 3.75.The Nitro Packs upgrade has been removed from the game.P-45 Gauss Pistol weapon damage decreased from 4 +5 vs. Light to 4.
Siege Tank
Siege Tanks no longer require an upgrade in order to enter Siege Mode.

Protoss

Mothership
The Vortex ability has been removed from the game.
Mothership Core
The Envision ability has been moved to Oracle.
Oracle
The Time Warp ability has been moved to the Mothership Core and the Mothership.

Zerg

Infestor
Fungal Growth damage decreased from 30 +10 vs. Armored to 30.
Mutalisk
Mutalisk Regeneration passive ability renamed Tissue Regeneration and its tooltip has been updated to improve clarity.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7592200501

lot of big changes.

Edit: David Kim's thoughts on balance patch 11 are now up! http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7592400518#1
Facebook Twitter Reddit
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:16:46
January 09 2013 22:16 GMT
#2
Well, you can reactor reapers now.. but they suck balls anyway so why bother.

The tank buff is nice to deal with some all in in TvZ and will allow to not have some silly losses in TvT but beside that it does nothing.

Loving the seeker revert tho. 75 energy on old seeker missile is god like. So godlike I guess it will be nerfed.

Medivac upgrade doesn't increase healing, but what does it do then now ?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
deus.machinarum
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria658 Posts
January 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#3
Am I reading this right? O.o? no upgrade for siege mode, didn't expect that one to be honest, interesting patch overall

Also finally vortex is out of the game
Nothing worth having comes easy.
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
January 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#4
Siege Tank
Siege Tanks no longer require an upgrade in order to enter Siege Mode.

o_o

That could make for some even earlier deadlier timing attacks. :x
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 09 2013 22:18 GMT
#5
o.O

Reapers aren't reapers anymore...
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
NewDawn
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada120 Posts
January 09 2013 22:18 GMT
#6
On January 10 2013 07:16 Noocta wrote:
Well, you can reactor reapers now.. but they suck balls anyway so why bother.

The tank buff is nice to deal with some all in in TvZ and will allow to not have some silly losses in TvT but beside that it does nothing.

Loving the seeker revert tho. 75 energy on old seeker missile is god like. So godlike I guess it will be nerfed.

Medivac upgrade doesn't increase healing, but what does it do then now ?

+25 Energy? :c
Tank buff will save me from those random games where I forget to upgrade siege.. but it does let you get out one extra tank because you saved money! :D
이지은 | 송지은 | 정은지 | 홧팅 ~ !
murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland418 Posts
January 09 2013 22:18 GMT
#7
Ahah Oracle and MSC change. Seriously cannot decide what to do with these units, can they?

Siege Tank change, will you just buff the damn thing already, damage/splash/cost whatever. This change is just not helpful.

Well, "LOL" is the best thing to describe this patch. I honestly don't think they have a clue.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#8
On January 10 2013 07:18 NewDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 07:16 Noocta wrote:
Well, you can reactor reapers now.. but they suck balls anyway so why bother.

The tank buff is nice to deal with some all in in TvZ and will allow to not have some silly losses in TvT but beside that it does nothing.

Loving the seeker revert tho. 75 energy on old seeker missile is god like. So godlike I guess it will be nerfed.

Medivac upgrade doesn't increase healing, but what does it do then now ?

+25 Energy? :c
Tank buff will save me from those random games where I forget to upgrade siege.. but it does let you get out one extra tank because you saved money! :D


I thought the +25 energy wasn't here anymore when they added increase healing. :o
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
January 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#9
First impression:
ZvT will become horrible.
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
January 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#10
Wtf, this patch makes no sense. David Kim's ""Thoughts on Balance Update #2" have better give a clear explanation.

Also "P-45 Gauss Pistol weapon damage decreased from 4 +9 vs. Light to 4"
Is it "4+4vs light" or just "4" ? If it's just 4 you'd better do a shit ton of reapers !
rly ?
Xanbatou
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States805 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:20:32
January 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#11
Sigh..every time I am excited for the patch notes to see if they are going to nerf widow mines so that they don't nullify mutas, but every time I am disappointed. Widow mines right now are the only reason I am not playing the game :/.

These patch notes are getting more and more disappointing because they are just making it more clear that blizzard has no idea what they are doing.
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
January 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#12
dont know why the need for some of these changes, but they are indeed fun and awesome
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
January 09 2013 22:20 GMT
#13
Such a messy patch. Blizzard just has no idea of the direction. Mech is still not working. Sigh
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
January 09 2013 22:20 GMT
#14
They didn't buff mech in the late game at all.
stichtom
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy695 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:23:12
January 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#15
This patch is so.... Random.
I don't even know what to think...
Favourite player: IM.MVP ~ Favorite league: IPL
pivor
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland198 Posts
January 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#16
So Reaper now deals only 2x4 damage? Who gona spend 50 gas for a unit with 50 hp that does same damage as queen? -.-
:F
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#17
Holy crap the patch notes are no joke. The Hellbat does 18 damage straight up, 30 vs light, no upgrade required. Thats pure non-sense.

And the HSM is not a range 10, AOE py-storm with a 5 second delay. 100 damage straight to your face for 75 E-straight up. Welcome to the club terrans! As a protoss, I feel you will enjoy these new long range AOE dealing machines.

And now reapers are jerks that do no damage, but they are freaking fast.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
idkfa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States77 Posts
January 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#18
On January 10 2013 07:13 Iodem wrote:
Hellbat
Attack speed changed from 1.9 to 2.The Infernal Pre-Igniter upgrade no longer increases Hellbat weapon damage.Napalm Spray weapon damage increased from 10 +9 vs. light to 18 +12 vs. light.Splash damage radius decreased from 110 to 45.


Sigh. Does anyone at Blizzard know what an arc is?
If you use "literally" as a form of hyperbole, you will literally DIE! (Eventually.)
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:39:23
January 09 2013 22:22 GMT
#19
Wow, no research requirement for sieging. Now, that is just wrong; there are just some things that should not be changed about Starcraft. I respect Blizzard's thoughts on trying to make it different, but this will not change anything other some early timings. Tanks were already meh in SC2, but, with the removal of the research requirement, they are just another unit. I can not fully describe how absurd this change is.

Glad the HSM splash is back, though. They should have never removed it. I would like for it to be microable against, though. I understand you can theoretically stop it before it shoots, but after it shoots, it is basically a sure hit.
Time warp seems better on Mothership. The less spheres clogging up the already saturated screen the better.

I would love to sit in on Blizzard team meetings to hear what they talk about and how they come to these conclusions.
T P Z sagi
3D-Swifty
Profile Joined July 2011
England69 Posts
January 09 2013 22:22 GMT
#20
I dunno that Hellbat buff in conjunction with siege seems pretty good.
1 2 3 4 5 51 52 53 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
LiuLi Cup Grand Finals Playoff
CranKy Ducklings128
LiquipediaDiscussion
The PiG Daily
22:30
Best Games
ByuN vs Clem
ByuN vs herO
ByuN vs MaxPax
PiGStarcraft491
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft491
RuFF_SC2 145
ProTech144
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5639
Bisu 4058
Shuttle 302
NaDa 10
Dota 2
monkeys_forever800
League of Legends
JimRising 572
Counter-Strike
taco 724
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox469
AZ_Axe89
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor122
Other Games
summit1g9230
FrodaN3711
shahzam401
C9.Mang0236
KnowMe152
ToD84
capcasts62
ViBE56
Mew2King22
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 432
• Berry_CruncH424
• musti20045 30
• davetesta21
• HeavenSC 19
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4179
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
8h 19m
RSL Revival
8h 19m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
10h 19m
Classic vs Rogue
Solar vs Gerald
Bunny vs Nicoract
ByuN vs Zoun
herO vs Clem
MaxPax vs Cure
AI Arena Tournament
18h 19m
Replay Cast
22h 19m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 8h
RSL Revival
1d 8h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 10h
OSC
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-05
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.