Have you brought tempest into a corrupter broodlord infestor fight? the dps is so crap that they are useless, trust me i have tried many times with tempest and they are completely useless

andaylin

United States10830 Posts

January 09 2013 23:05 GMT

#182

This patch seems terrible, siege tanks without siege upgrade? da fuck?

SolidMoose

United States1240 Posts

January 09 2013 23:05 GMT

#183

What the hell? They need to buff reaper base damage at least a little. With this they are only good for initial scouting. Harass with reapers will require...a lot of reapers.

Hellbat damage increase is weird, when their use is much more limited by their range rather than damage.

birchman

Sweden393 Posts

January 09 2013 23:05 GMT

#184

It's a beta folks. It's so we/they can test out the different things about the game, about what works and what doesn't. It's not a demo, even though a bunch of companies like to market actual demos of the game as a "beta", because it sounds more exclusive. So take a chill pill, get to playing some games and then make some real criticism based off experience, not assumptions.

Regarding the patch notes, I think I might be making some hellbats.

XXXSmOke

United States1333 Posts

January 09 2013 23:05 GMT

#185

Bleh,

Stopped HoTs to wait for this patch and now I am banging my head against the desk.

Siege Mode upgrade............................................... I love your big focus on mech Blizzard. Your about 3 changes of short of possibly making mech viable. The unit we now get out "earlier" needs to do damage before I even consider making them TvP. Why is it so hard to comprehend this? It should not also be hard countered by every P unit in the game. and worst of all. We still have NO GtA AA that will help make mech viable.

Ignorance is bliss my friends.

Insoleet

France1806 Posts

January 09 2013 23:06 GMT

#186

On January 10 2013 08:01 Fate91 wrote:
I have played beta soooo much lately, watching PvZ late game has been a joke now. Without Vortex killing 200/200 broodlord infestor corrupter armies is the hardest thing now. I think Vortex should have been reduced in Radius size. Need something to help Protoss late game.

You already have the strongest lategame air army lol.

Tempest + new void rays + carriers + HT

Mecto

Canada41 Posts

January 09 2013 23:06 GMT

#187

this patch is fucking bullshit, everything i liked about terran is now gone....

reaper sucks vs zergs now,
and medivacs doesnt help Bio late game vs Protoss.

making TvT one base all even more viable with that stupid change to the tank (which in no fucking way help mech TvP)

Raven is ok change, but once again, 1 step forward, 2 step back. 5 second delay for the missile ? wtf is this, no way zerg going to sit there doing nothing 5 seconds.

"Emergency Thrusters ability renamed Ignite Afterburners" ok wtf i dont care about the name, the name i give to an ability is the hotkey it has. NICE CHANGE.

fucking joke patch, blizzard come on, get your shit together omfg.

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Scila

Canada1849 Posts

January 09 2013 23:06 GMT

#188

Rofl at this patch. They never cease to amaze with how lost they are with their own game.

Tanks not requiring siege mode - does NOTHING to address weakness of mech in TvP and weakness of tanks in general, instead it opens up more EARLY GAME timing attacks (which Terran doesn't need)

Reapers are...I don't even. What's the point of even making them now if you can't kill workers.

Caduceus Reactor is garbage again, why would anyone research it, and how will bio survive in late game without it?

Raven is the only good change.

This patch is one giant joke lol. Where does Blizzard hire these guys.

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Vindicare605

United States16124 Posts

January 09 2013 23:06 GMT

#189

On January 10 2013 07:44 Gamegene wrote:
wait a minute. reaper only does 4 damage now.

WHAT IS THIS BLIZZARD. WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS.

4x2 since it fires once per pistol.

Honestly I love the Reaper changes, they're officially not a gimmick unit anymore and something that can realistically be used as a core combat unit now in the later portions of the game.

Deckard.666

152 Posts

January 09 2013 23:06 GMT

#190

I for one like the changes.

The Raven change is great, and the Siege Tank buff makes it easier to defend early all ins in TvP. While it doesn't help in the late game, I don't think mech has a problem in the late game to begin with, especially with the new raven to help with skytoss. I don't really like the reaper changes, but I never really liked reapers anyway.

I like the Protoss changes as well. DT's and banshees vs Protoss are now an option, because you don't get free detection right off the bat with the MsCore. Time warp remains strong, but this avoids the ability to become spammable and broken in combination with storms. It also makes the oracles not so much of a "deathball unit" but more of an actual scout and harasser.

Regarding the Zerg changes, meh... I guess any change that makes Infestors less prevalent in the Zerg army are great, but I'd like to see some bigger nerfs to it and buffs somewhere else to compensate.

Salteador Neo

Andorra5591 Posts

January 09 2013 23:06 GMT

#191

Reapers are only pure scouts now, kinda interesting.

Tank change is pretty wtf.

HSM change is the best. And reverting the infestor mistake from 1+year ago or so? :D

Grummler

Germany743 Posts

January 09 2013 23:06 GMT

#192

I don't get most of the changes. I don't say they are bad but i simply don't get them. Why remove the siege upgrade? Now tank all ins will be more powerfull without improving actual mech. Also, reapers. WTF?! 50 gas for a fast moving marine that jumps over cliffs. The removal of the tech lab requirement in combination with speed buff makes them really good for early scouting while the dmg nerf makes them useless later on. I thought blizzard wanted to move into the opposite direction?!

blacklist_member

Australia318 Posts

January 09 2013 23:07 GMT

#193

These are real interesting changes, I really think the seige tank would be too strong tho. But i guess only time will tell

On January 10 2013 07:21 idkfa wrote:

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Sigh. Does anyone at Blizzard know what an arc is?

Uhhh, an arc also has a radius..........

TALegion

United States1187 Posts

January 09 2013 23:07 GMT

#194

What the hell happened to Reapers? They were one of my favorite units, and now I don't know what to think... They'll only be effective in large swarms (which is now possible when considering time, but they're still very gas heavy) vs. tiny groups. Are they basically small, ground mutalisks now? The goal was supposed to be to increase their mid-game performance, not early, so the only way that I see the correlation between the goal and the change is that they are extremely mobile harassing units.

Mini, terran mutas that can't kill anything (aka, scouts)?

Zarahtra

Iceland4053 Posts

January 09 2013 23:07 GMT

#195

On January 10 2013 07:55 NovemberstOrm wrote:
The siege mode change actually makes a ton of sense, reduces the possibilty of gateway allins, roach allins, and roach bane allins working.
Making it easier to get to mid-late game mech
Still reading through the rest of the patch.

I have just watched HotS, so my experience is very limited, but was that even an issue? You just have to scout it. While I hate allins, I generally don't like it when blizzard just goes "here you are safe now" and removes any real need to scout and adjust to your opponent. Don't get me wrong, I mean you will still have to have tech lab'd factory and a siege tank out, but it's still a step in that direction, a step which I as a terran don't feel was really warranted.

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

January 09 2013 23:07 GMT

#196

OH MY GOD. I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING....

REACTOR REAPERS...

why blizzard WHY.

jeefzors

United States120 Posts

January 09 2013 23:08 GMT

#197

I'd be curious to see how protoss would look if they gave Time Warp to sentries instead and removed force field.

pure.Wasted

Canada4701 Posts

January 09 2013 23:08 GMT

#198

On January 10 2013 07:59 Ramone wrote:
The reaper change sounds kinda crappy on the surface, but having them more accessible will probably guarantee that we'll see them used regularly. They only 50/50 and can be produced from reactors now.They will provide a good solid scout, force a a player to keep a few units patrolling around the edge of their bases, and are still a threat to kill a few probes if the player doesn't respond.

They might even see some use lategame now in small little packs.

Interested to see how it works out in the end.

Small packs for what purpose, exactly? They'll take three times longer to kill Zerglings, Marines, and workers now. Three times. The few units they could decimate before, they can't now. They can't hurt buildings. What can they do?

When was the last time you heard someone say "I wish T had more map awareness."

Zaurus

Singapore676 Posts

January 09 2013 23:08 GMT

#199

Infestors still equally strong. Just give siege tanks Emp shell in late game. Hais. Blizzard why so retarded in your changes.

Zerg obviously need scourge.

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

January 09 2013 23:09 GMT

#200

These patch notes can only be summarized in one way
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