removing siege tech for tanks vs protoss? Early tanks are generally good vs protoss O.o rather it's the late game that needs help :{ Who knows maybe the new hellbat changes will change that... then again i don't even remember what those changes were >.>

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

January 09 2013 22:58 GMT

#148

Wow those changes seem unblizzard like. Probably the worst things they could have done, to change things. But dunno let us see how it plays out.
The comments are funny already too though. Robo 100%, while Stargate also has an obs now, or getting a reactor for rushing to reapers.

But it will be funny with the seeker missile until they will nerf it again.

syroz

France249 Posts

January 09 2013 22:58 GMT

#149

Medivac
Caduceus Reactor no longer improves the healing rate of Medivacs.

So what the f*** does it improve now?

PsionicLord

United States119 Posts

January 09 2013 22:58 GMT

#150

The terran changes seem ok if they work, but I doubt it will be balanced... the Mothership time slow should be bigger than the MSC time slow but overall i guess good changes... but siege mode?

Laurens

Belgium4557 Posts

January 09 2013 22:58 GMT

#151

Can't decide whether this is a nerf or a buff overall for terran.

RaZorwire

Sweden718 Posts

January 09 2013 22:58 GMT

#152

I usually try to be cauting with judging balance changes when they've just appeared, but this...

So Reapers now do no bonus damage vs anything? They wanted to give it more lategame utility, but now it's essentially a cliffjumping marine that can't shoot air and costs 50 gas? Why would you ever build it past the first 5 minutes?

Caduceus Reactor is back to being more or less useless. Less energy requirement will not have a huge impact by the time you get the upgrade out, and it will do almost nothing to improve bio viability lategame.

No siege upgrade required will be nice for holding and performing some early pushes, but misses the whole point on why siege tanks don't work well vs Protoss and for the later midgame and lategame, the lack of upgrade requirement will change nothing in any MU.

The (much) smaller splash area for Hellbats means... more micro? I guess? But the increased damage also means it will be good vs more stuff beyond just Zerglings and Zealots? Don't know what the make of that, could be good.

I really like the Raven changes, though. Lot's of time to dodge it, but less energy and more splash. Will force opponent to micro more, hopefully.

Hopefully the Reaper and Caduceus will get further tweaks, these changes feel like random stabs in the dark to see what works, and what doesn't.

purakushi

United States3302 Posts

January 09 2013 22:58 GMT

#153

"On top of that, we’d like to test out a cheaper, more difficult-to-hit-with version of the Seeker Missile so that we can hopefully see some "dodging vs. hitting" gameplay with this ability."

Yay! I have been wishing for this since day one. Need more microability in SC2.

a_flayer

Netherlands2826 Posts

January 09 2013 22:59 GMT

#154

As a zerg/terran player, I like these changes.

Reapers will be very interesting -- they are about as fast as speedlings, I believe. And the fact that you can build them without a tech lab is very awesome. Reapers can be out in some numbers before speedlings, depending on the build orders of both players.

The medivac change I think is just a nerf because it was too powerful to an already strong bio army of terran. The mech changes I don't really understand, but I can see that it makes mech better in at least one way. =)

I like the protoss changes but only because i think it will be more fun to beat them now. I don't play protoss, so whatever.

Nothing much happened to zerg, and I am happy where zerg is now in hots, so that's cool with me.

Firkraag8

Sweden1006 Posts

January 09 2013 22:59 GMT

#155

On January 10 2013 07:56 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:

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And... You either make a choice and go robo or you make a choice and go starport to get dection. I don't see a problem what so ever.

Now you cannot open Twilight Council, one of my favorite changes with HotS for Protoss was that the MsC opened up extra tech paths to explore early now they are removing options again that's the problem.

BigAsia

Canada451 Posts

January 09 2013 22:59 GMT

#156

Wait, so reapers do 4x2 damage now? lolll

Ramone

Canada85 Posts

January 09 2013 22:59 GMT

#157

The reaper change sounds kinda crappy on the surface, but having them more accessible will probably guarantee that we'll see them used regularly. They only 50/50 and can be produced from reactors now.They will provide a good solid scout, force a a player to keep a few units patrolling around the edge of their bases, and are still a threat to kill a few probes if the player doesn't respond.

They might even see some use lategame now in small little packs.

Interested to see how it works out in the end.

The_Darkness

United States910 Posts

January 09 2013 22:59 GMT

#158

On January 10 2013 07:52 AJCpar wrote:
Why that change to the siege tank? As it has been said time and time again, this change does nothing to the late game for tanks which really is the big problem. As for the raven change, I think that was a good choice considering the old HOTS raven had no use whatsoever when compared to a battlecruiser...

It's likely to make opening mech safer against protoss all ins.

SheaR619

United States2399 Posts

January 09 2013 22:59 GMT

#159

On January 10 2013 07:45 qui wrote:
Can someone explain to the rationale behind siege tanks having no upgrades to be useful yet hydralisk requires two.

Is that in anyway good design?

Is it fun?

Vipers roach hydra already really good against tank composition. Hardly any terran are even going tanks late game due to viper so I doubt this will affect the effectiveness of roach hydra viper composition much.